Canada to Europe

[Leel]

Hi

First post here.

I am almost done my CPL training in Canada. I'll have a CPL with a MEIFR. My main career goal-right now- is to get on to one of the large Gulfstreams or Dassault aircraft. G550/650, Dassault 7X etc.

I am lucky enough to have close connections in the industry that will make that first job easy to get, compared to other young pilots in Canada. Most likely my first job will be on a corporate King Air 90 or 350i (Believe me I know I am amazingly lucky to have those connections, but I've put in some work to get here don't worry!)

However, I have some family in the UK and moving to London has been a want of mine for awhile.

My main questions are, once I have enough experience here in Canada on smaller corporate jets (Citations, Lears, etc) would I have any opportunities in Europe after converting my license? If I'm type rated in Canada will that transfer to a European license?

Basically if there are any Canadians that have made the move to Europe (corporate or airline) do you have any tips? There's tons of information about going to Asia and the Middle East but the move to Europe is obviously less popular.

Any guidance appreciated.

Thanks

Lee

[skyship007]

You will need the following:
1/ Class 1 medical from the CAA GTW, ZRH or German main medical center.
2/ All the ATPL written exams (Much more difficult, but you might get a few papers less with an FAA letter of verification).
3/ New IR multi flight test with government examiner (Expensive).
4/ New multi type rating
5/ The same 1500 hrs, BUT it has to include 500 hrs multi crew time, which is an EU inspired Catch 22!
6/ You can fly as P2 with an EASA CPL/IR if you don't like difficult exams or flight tests, BUT it's very difficult to get a job as the P2F and P2Type twats all seem to hold ATPL's.
7/ The situation is improving, so there is no rush to sign a contract or pay for training at present. My guess is next year will see far more CPL/IR and NTR jobs.
8/ An ATR type rating makes more sense than a King Dair one in the EU if you want to suffer being owned by an airline.
9/ These folks are recruiting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJvQNdJqcY
10/ Good luck and try to avoid saying you can get a job here, cos the muppets will PM you to death!
http://www.nps.gov/fire/aviation/resources/documents/aircraft-pilot-positions-nps.pdf

[M-ONGO]

You can fly as P2 with an EASA CPL/IR if you don't like difficult exams or flight tests, BUT it's very difficult to get a job as the P2F and P2Type twats all seem to hold ATPL's.


No, he will still need ATPL written knowledge, aka a 'frozen' ATPL, but yes, they are P2F tw@ts.

The OP had better get some good time behind him/her first. Coprorate operators in Europe generally value experience. You do not find many low timers on private BizJets. The AOC world may well be slightly different, however low timers do not waltz in to the hardware the OP mentions. There are exceptions, I know of a guy on a 7X that only had 2000 hours of piston time and no jet.

My main questions are, once I have enough experience here in Canada on smaller corporate jets (Citations, Lears, etc) would I have any opportunities in Europe after converting my license? If I'm type rated in Canada will that transfer to a European license?


Do you have the legal right to work in Europe? If so, with small or midsize BizJet time, you should stand a chance at getting hired. It is competitive, though.

A Canadian type will not transfer, there are some hoops to jump through first. Just make sure you have over 500 hours on whatever type you want to transfer as it is easier/slightly cheaper to convert then. If you went for an Irish IAA licence, they would put all current types on the IAA (EASA) licence with the restriction valid for Canadian registered aircraft only. The UK CAA will not.

[Leel]

Thanks M-ONGO

Food for thought for sure.

Getting the right to work there shouldn't lose too great an issue. And my plan would be to go over with a respectable level of experience. Good to know about the 500hrs on type though.

Can someone point me in the direction to get information about converting type ratings? I've been looking on the UK CAA website for all relevant information. Or is it basically just getting a new type rating that's the UK one?

Thanks again!

Lee

[doo]

Try CAE UK Oxford they should be able to give info on conversion, p.s. have lots of cash. nothing cheap here.

[lanef300]

pm sent a few days ago, I've been through that (and back) as well as a few close friends, feel free to reply!

[Leel]

Thanks doo, will check that out.

I'll send you a reply today lanef300 thanks!