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Blitzkrieger
5th Aug 2015, 20:50
I came across this article and thought the authors' comment about carefully engineered conflict between the workers was interesting and highly applicable to our industry in this day and age of outsourcing and subcontractors.

And that's exactly what the bosses want! They want us fighting over who has the bigger pile of crumbs so we don't realize they made off with almost the whole damn cake. Why are you angry about fast food workers making two bucks more an hour when your CEO makes four hundred TIMES what you do? It's in the bosses' interests to keep your anger directed downward, at the poor people who are just trying to get by, like you, rather than at the rich assholes who consume almost everything we produce and give next to nothing for it.

Full article here: Paramedic Shares Awesome Facebook Post About Minimum Wage Increase | GOOD (http://magazine.good.is/articles/organize-fight-win?upw)

CurtainTwitcher
5th Aug 2015, 22:40
The divide and conquer stratagem is as old as mankind. There has been enormous efforts over the centuries (religions, Monarchs, Dictators, despots & other rulers of all stripes & colours) to try to convince the gullible masses that the self interest of the small group of ruling elite does not apply.
The rulers have always been outnumbered, and therefore needed to exert control by manipulating the leaders of various factions into alternatively alliance & war

Machiavelli was the first to really elucidate the art of modern political warfare (with apologies to von Clausewitz, "War is the continuation of politics by other means") in the early 1500's based on the ancient Roman & Greek writings.

If you have 50 minutes, watch this brilliant presentation on Machiavelli & how he codified these ancient strategies into modern ruling techniques.

How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? (https://youtu.be/gH-NxQmf87k)

gH-NxQmf87k

Boe787
5th Aug 2015, 22:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rkEEJhCJSY

The Super Rich and Us!! More food for thought!

Normasars
6th Aug 2015, 03:15
One only needs to reflect on the (mis)conduct of our esteemed politicians to understand the double standards that go on in the real world.
But heck, we all better tighten our belts in these challenging times..............:yuk::yuk:
They're all in it up to their eyeballs!

Sunfish
6th Aug 2015, 08:18
Yep, keep focussing on Gay marriage, recognising Aboriginals in the Constitution, dancing with the stars, my kitchen rules and the footy.

Meanwhile your rights are being eroded in the name of combatting not "terrorism" but "non violent extremism" - which means anyone Tony Abbot does;t like. We are a climate change laughing stock and our foreign policy is what Washington tells us it is.

bazza stub
6th Aug 2015, 22:17
All well and good but I challenge this industry to get its sh!t together enough to say "enough is enough". 89' is still too recent perhaps? I don't know. I doubt a rematch would end the same way though, social media (pprune included) would make it a more even fight.

Flying Binghi
11th Aug 2015, 08:25
via Sunfish:
...We are a climate change laughing stock...

What is a "climate change laughing stock" ? .....:hmm:











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biglanchow
11th Aug 2015, 09:16
This arrogant selfish country!

Flying Binghi
11th Aug 2015, 10:24
via biglanchow, Location: San Fransisco:

This arrogant selfish country!

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biglanchow
11th Aug 2015, 11:33
It says "Location"? Maybe biglanchow just typed in where she/he was when he/she created profile?

She/he is Aussie, 5th generation on both sides of family.

biglanchow certainly was not referring to the U.S. but his/her own country full of climate change denying bogans.

Aussie Aussie Aussie

Oink Oink Oink

Flying Binghi
11th Aug 2015, 12:43
via biglanchow:

It says "Location"? Maybe biglanchow just typed in where she/he was when he/she created profile?

She/he is Aussie, 5th generation on both sides of family.

biglanchow certainly was not referring to the U.S. but his/her own country full of climate change denying bogans.

Aussie Aussie Aussie

Oink Oink Oink

Hmmm... I had a look-see at the White pages phone book to get an idea of how many Bogans we have living in Oz. Not that many it seems...
White Pages (http://mobile.whitepages.com.au/home/home.action)

Perhaps you could ask biglanchow to explain how he/she determined that those named Bogan were determined as being "climate change deniers" ?

As anyone who has ever looked at the subject of 'climate' would know, the climate is always changing and has so for millions of years.

I'm very doubtful of biglanchows claims..:hmm:












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oicur12.again
11th Aug 2015, 14:27
"They want us fighting over who has the bigger pile of crumbs"

Not many pilots in oz are surviving on crumbs. I think the article was talking about the "crumbs" allocated to fast food workers.

gordonfvckingramsay
11th Aug 2015, 21:04
An educated person might have taken the ethical lesson from this article and not been so literal.

Good night :zzz:

oicur12.again
12th Aug 2015, 00:26
An educated person would not try and draw a parallel between a fast food worker and an airline pilot.

gtseraf
12th Aug 2015, 01:54
here we are bickering amongst ourselves about what an educated person may or may not see in the article.

Proof enough to me that the pilot group in the same boat as the fast food worker, our "crumbs" may be larger but they still are crumbs compared to the CEO's.

I shake my head in despair!!

Flying Binghi
19th Aug 2015, 01:36
Hmmm... still wondering Sunfish. What is a "climate change laughing stock" ? .....:hmm:









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mikedreamer787
19th Aug 2015, 02:25
Didn't the high priests of the Oz climate change religion push to close what would've been a very lucrative (for Australia) coal mining operation? I think it was an overseas investment and meant the coal would've been used offshore and not in Australia. I can't recall the exact details - only glossed over the article and had a laugh. Maybe that's what Sunfish is on about.

mikedreamer787
19th Aug 2015, 06:47
I just remembered now... a mob called Adani and the mine was to be in QLD with 10,000 potential jobs.

pulse1
19th Aug 2015, 07:22
If you want to see what happens when the highly paid boss tries to even out the crumbs, read this article about Dan Price, the CEO of Gravity Payments.

Dan Price: CEO who increased minimum wage to $70,000 is renting out his home 'to make ends meet' - Americas - World - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dan-price-ceo-who-increased-minimum-wage-to-70000-is-renting-out-his-home-to-make-ends-meet-10433097.html)

For those who dismiss anything from the Independent, I actually read it in the Sunday Times but couldn't find a link for that one.

It seems that his attempt to pay everyone the same, including himself, resulted in a lot of ill feeling and resignations as some people resented those who got a bigger rise than they did.

Stanwell
19th Aug 2015, 18:10
mikedreamer,
The Indians are keenly buying up our coal reserves because they haven't got any decent coal themselves.
They're 'investing in Australia', y'see.

biglanchow
19th Aug 2015, 18:22
Just because this fool says it is so doesn't make it so.



http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/adani-mine-a-20b-project-creating-10000-jobs-the-abbott-governments-myths-busted-20150819-gj2u2o.html

Eyrie
19th Aug 2015, 22:32
Sunfish, you mean the world is laughing at us for buying in to this bs.

Any actual Earth scientists/oceanographers/geologists/meteorologists here who actually have the training and knowledge to have a legitimate opinion on "climate change"?

CurtainTwitcher
19th Aug 2015, 23:51
The East Anglia hacked emails "Climategate" had quite a few revaluations about exactly & explicitly how to modify the climate data to achieve the required outcome embedded as comments within the FORTRAN source code: Climatic Research Unit (CRU): CRU's Source Code: Climategate Uncovered. (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/11/crus_source_code_climategate_r.html)

I'm not denying there aren't problems with burning hydrocarbons, rather questioning the credibility of "scientific" process about this issue. Your experts can still have agenda's & biases. Remember Global Cooling?

Under The Dome (https://youtu.be/T6X2uwlQGQM) highlights some of the massive issues burning hydrocarbons to humans.