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P6 Driver
1st Aug 2015, 10:08
Does anyone know whether the SAR aircraft at Lydd have assumed live tasking from today?
jimf671
1st Aug 2015, 11:48
Lots of flying at Lydd during the last few days but nothing showing up so far today.
G-CIJW - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24 (http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/g-cijw/)
G-CIJX - Aircraft info and flight history - Flightradar24 (http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/g-cijx/)
Be aware that all Bristow SAR S-92 are no longer showing up on ADS-B online sites.
jimf671
3rd Aug 2015, 21:18
Looking like September now.
No indicators for what the problems is but I am expecting that the principle that no base will start up without full capability has been invoked.
Just as well Wattisham haven't gone home then!!
P6 Driver
4th Aug 2015, 11:11
It sounds like the Wattisham Sea King operators might have to start work on their Christmas card list.
And yet another re-write of the Falklands plot!
edwardspannerhands
4th Aug 2015, 22:27
JimF......"Be aware that all Bristow SAR S-92 are no longer showing up on ADS-B online sites."
Must have been seeing things tonight then. Stornoway S-92 x2, Humberside S - 92 x1 all on view. Bit of duff gen there me thinks := Lee's 139 was also visible.
jimf671
6th Aug 2015, 11:49
JimF......"Be aware that all Bristow SAR S-92 are no longer showing up on ADS-B online sites."
Must have been seeing things tonight then. Stornoway S-92 x2, Humberside S - 92 x1 all on view. Bit of duff gen there me thinks := Lee's 139 was also visible.
Live flights showing up and typically "S92" just flown by on the way back to Dalcross showing up on live track but no database history and aircraft data for SAR S-92 including registrations are no longer present.
Is that all part on a MCA master plan to keep information away from the public;)
jeepys
6th Aug 2015, 20:44
Crab,
the public aren't that bothered, it's only you and a few others on here.
You cannot canvas the opinions of your local MRT's for example as a wide audience public and those folk that are hugely skeptical are often ill informed.
The general public have more important things to worry about during this period of economic downturn than whether the Lydd cab has gone online or been delayed.
Yes, you are right - they don't care, just like most people don't care about things outside their sphere of influence/knowledge.
That doesn't make it right that a big government contract is awarded to a company who are not delivering - or don't you care about where your taxpayer money goes to and how it is used?
jimf671
7th Aug 2015, 13:55
Who else was going to do it?
This contract was whittled down to the usual suspects fairly quickly. The only other workable options were to involve Bond-Babcock. AW would still be in a mess over the AW189. The CAA would still be struggling to keep up while they plan their next reorganisation.
Looking on the bright side, perhaps Bond-Babcock would have employed a builder who knew how to keep the roof on at exposed coastal locations. :ugh:
So do you have a friend at Lockheed Martin or Elbit or NHV who thinks that they might have done a better job? :rolleyes:
See my post on the other thread Jim and stop making excuses for poor delivery of a big government contract.
jimf671
7th Aug 2015, 17:01
See my post on the other thread Jim and stop making excuses for poor delivery of a big government contract.
Clearly it is a dreadful mess compared to what would have happened if we had had a MoD procurement of new milSAR helicopters. ;-)
AW149 anyone?
CH148 Cyclone?
Your escape to 365-land wouldn't have been possible and you and like-qualified instructors would trapped in an endless loop of training, delays, expired currency, and retraining as it lurched along from one abbeywoodism to another.
jeepys
7th Aug 2015, 22:38
Crab,
Going back to the training side of things briefly.
Take a busy RAF SAR unit, Chivenor maybe? On an average day during the busier months say Easter through to September perhaps, how many job(s) over a 24hr period would the duty crew do?
With respect to your last concern who could have pulled this off better?
jimf671
7th Aug 2015, 23:02
Crab,
Going back to the training side of things briefly.
Take a busy RAF SAR unit, Chivenor maybe? On an average day during the busier months say Easter through to September perhaps, how many job(s) over a 24hr period would the duty crew do?
With respect to your last concern who could have pulled this off better?
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/military-search-and-rescue-monthly-statistics-index
Jeepys - without reference to Jims linked documents, I can tell you that on average Chivenor managed circa 300 jobs per year.
During peak times that could vary from none during a shift to 7 on the bounce which is the most I saw.
Within that scope it could be several 20 minuters or a few short followed by a long night job - you never knew what you would get when you started your shift.
WE always called in the new crew early if we had a night job so that the readiness state at 0800 was always RS 15 - the civsar flights do their changeover at 1200 rather than 1000 and don't call the new crew in early - that means that following a night job, the RS state in the morning is variable depending on when they went to bed.
Progress????????
snaggletooth
8th Aug 2015, 22:29
Not so Crab. We change over crews at 1300L. If we get a night job we still return to RS15 at 0800L. Same cover as supplied by MOD.
If the crew is unusually fatigued the Captain may, in the interest of Flight Safety, down declare. But that was the same in the Mob, no? This is obviously a rare occurrence and I have not seen it happen.
If we go night training however, different rules apply. Then we come back into work 10 hours after we land. So in that case RS15 may not be resumed at 0800L. Why the rules are different I do not know, but they are.
So why have there been several instances on the RCS when the RS 15 hasn't been in place at 0800 due to night flying training? Are you saying that if the duty crew night fly for training, then they have to land at 2200 to ensure the RS 15 isn't compromised the next day?
If so, why are you using the duty crew to get people NVD qualified, surely you leave the duty crew alone and fly the others who need training without affecting UKSAR standby..
The military call in the next day's crew at 0800 if they have a night job that goes past midnight so the RS15 is never compromised for fatigue.
Are the MCA/Bristow playing fast and loose with UKSAR readiness states???
P6 Driver
9th Aug 2015, 07:32
I apologise for starting this thread.
It was an innocent question regarding whether Lydd had become active with the new SAR. I didn't anticipate that it would become just another version of the existing thread on SAR Privatisation.
On that thread, it tends to read (from an outsiders point of view) as a personal point-scoring exercise between a limited number of people. I didn't intend this to be another opportunity for the same.
Sorry for starting it - is there a case for Mods locking this one please?