Jetstart NZ Regional - Captains & F/O's

[b787q300]

Jobs - Job Details - DHC-8 Captains and First Officers (http://careers.jetstar.com/cw/en/job/493421/dhc8-captains-and-first-officers)

[Ollie Onion]

Always good to see new jobs into the market, will be interesting to see the pay on offer for quite significant hour requirements and of course where the base(s) will be.

[DeltaT]

Pay for your own type rating, and interview assessment by the looks.
Watch out for the Psychometric testing con - great for making money for the airline

[alidad]

The High School requirement will preclude most of NZ........:eek: Kindergarten was the six hardest years.............

[The Green Goblin]

That is pure gold alidad, and so true :)

ANZ even recognise ATPLs as a substitute for high school graduation.

[FoolCorsePich]

A bit of love perhaps starting to filter through to the real heavy single drivers? 250 hours multi or turbine >3000kg.

[Corkey McFuz]

PYO Type rating, low turboprop wages trying to live in Auckland ??

Good luck.

Shame about the education requirements, that will knock many good candidates out particularly captains.

M sure there will be plenty of applicants from Oz wanting to flood NZ aviation some more so they will probably fill the seats one way or another...

[c100driver]

Perhaps some Air Nelson Pilots might jump ship due to base closures (If J* open regional bases)?

The advertisement does say that the location is Auckland!

[waren9]

and so true how so?

ANZ even recognise ATPLs as a substitute for high school graduation.

facile.

[27/09]

Having to pay for your ASIC really shows the calibre of the operation. What else do you have to pay for?

They might pick up a few FO's however with the rumoured potential Air NZ recruitment it's my guess guys and girls that meet their requirements are likely to hold out for an Air NZ Link job.

I've heard there's a few disgruntled Captains at Ar Nelson but I'd be surprised they'd jump ship just to live in Auckland. The deal would have to be pretty good.

Otherwise I wouldn't think too many non type rated guys and girls with 1000 hours P in C on aircraft over 13,0000Kg are going to want to pay for a Dash 8 type rating or equivalent.

[waren9]

are there still any ex air nsn dash8 guys up in png?

[Killer Loop]

Still four at PX.

[Kiwiconehead]

Having to pay for your ASIC really shows the calibre of the operation. What else do you have to pay for?

I think that actually applies across the entire Qantas group, not just the cheap seats.

[Lookleft]

I think that actually applies across the entire Qantas group, not just the cheap seats.

No it doesn't.

Don't fall for the old line "they will never get any pilots if they are offering those conditions." Thats what was said about Jetstar when it first started. There are lots of circumstances that will motivate pilots to take a job, even one with low pay and conditions.

[Popgun]

There are lots of circumstances that will motivate pilots to take a job, even one with low pay and conditions.

Wise words indeed.

PG

[wantobe]

People have paid for type rating and P2F for much much worse pay/conditions/carriers off shore.

This will be somewhat of a luxury.

[NoN1]

Does is actually say you have to pay for a rating?

[Ollie Onion]

I am not sure you will have to pay for the rating, the rating and training will be supplied by Qlink in Oz and the new Jetstar EBA no longer requires you to pay for a rating so I doubt you will have to here. Be prepared to be bonded though.

[flyboy_nz]

Maybe a case of salary deduction to pay for type rating? But then again, what's the salary going to be like for FOs? Auckland is not cheap.

[haughtney1]

But then again, what's the salary going to be like for FOs? Auckland is not cheap.


Why would pornstar give 2 sh1ts about the cost of housing in AKL? You can live in your car and take a shower at your aunties place in Pokeno....
My point is, they will pay as little as possible, and 20 years ago, I'd have said yes please!

[A320 Flyer]

You can forget about the Jetstar EBA... There are no provisions for turboprops on it even IF they wanted everyone on the same agreement.... That's the whole reason the NZ agreement was set up. Divide and conquer.

[Ollie Onion]

Not suggesting they will be on the Jetstar EBA, just saying the company wide culture has changed so that people are now bonded instead of paying upfront for type ratings. Word on the street is that the Turbo prop pilots will be employed by Jetstar NZ and that NZALPA have been approached for a variation to the current CEA to include a turboprop scale.

So as a job this might not be too bad, you may find a route to the A320 after a bit of time on the turboprops. I have no doubt there will be plenty of applicants for the FO positions, they may struggle for the CP spots though.

[wantobe]

Pilat has it spot on.

[ijustwannaflyplease]

Seems like a pretty sweet deal. Thanks for the info halfpast3.. Has anyone done the sim yet? Any hints?

[DeltaT]

Some Facts from someone who knows.

Why are they taking on pilots with experience less than their advertised minimums?

[VH-VIN]

Maybe because the ones with the hours can't pass the Online psychometric testing!!!

[ChappyNZ]

Does anyone have an idea of what technical questions they are asking? Similar to ANZ?

[HercFeend]

So, is the consensus that J* are sending the 'Psychometric Assessment' inventions out to everyone (irrespective of their chances of getting through) in order to make n x $187?

[RHSandLovingIt]

I feel left out if that is the case... No response so far :P

[wishiwasupthere]

So, is the consensus that J* are sending the 'Psychometric Assessment' inventions out to everyone (irrespective of their chances of getting through) in order to make n x $187?

The fee is charged by SHL, not Jetstar.

[HercFeend]

Yes, absolutely nothing new, and I agree that the candidate shouldn't have to pay - at least I've never had to before!!

[Ollie Onion]

Simple, don't pay!

[Got the horn]

It's good to see that Auntie Koru isn't the only game in town again. It's been a while!

[Joystick jokey]

Hi there,

Was just wondering if anyone has been or knows of people who have been, sent for Sim/ Interview for FO positions yet?

[DeltaT]

They have been interviewing since the start of the month, and some have already started type training.

[Joystick jokey]

Sounds like they aren't hanging around then!

Has anyone got any information about More specifics for the tech questions and also the simulator profile?

[Going Nowhere]

I don't think anyone for NZ has started the endorsement.

There's currently a few ground schools for QLink for the Q200/300 but doubt there is any capacity in the training department for NZ ops at the moment.

[DeltaT]

In Melbourne I believe.

[Ollie Onion]

I believe there are 6 new hire FO's who have just commenced. Money is Air Nelson year 1 rate. Based in AKL, plan at the moment is 3 sector days and night stopping at regional locations. Qlink Check CP's and Trainers being offered 1,2 and 4 week blocks in NZ. Or so I hear.

[NoseGear]

Ollie, is that because they couldn't get Command applicants? I would've thought they would have, I was very close to sending in a CV myself. Lots of guys around the world wanting at some stage to get home.

[Going Nowhere]

They might have plenty of suitable applicants but the clock is ticking big time so QLink crews will no doubt be doing the bulk of the flying in NZ initially. Those planes need to be fully crewed from Day 1 no matter what.

JQ regional crew will probably do some line training in Aus before they go over to NZ depending on where the training resources are spread out at the time.

[27/09]

fpvdudeGoing nowhere, not sure how happy the unions would be with lower wages, NZ propstar new hires, flying Australian routes in Qlink colours...That'll be balanced out by the QLink guys flying on NZ conditions while they operate in NZ.:D

[Ollie Onion]

I haven't heard about the command applicants, but I assume it is more down to the fact that they are going to have to run the schedule with mainly Qlink pilots to start with due to the short lead in time. Judging by Jetstar NZ (A320) it will take a couple of years to get the operation fully crewed by local crews.

[TheMist]

Backtracking, with a start date of Dec 1, just on 2 routes, a month for the type rating, Nov, and a month notice to start, Oct, and considering some started their type rating around mid Sept, there is no problem reaching the start date. Though at the very commencement with line training required, they will need an all Auz crew I presume. Would line training in Auz count? Anyway, from the stories I am hearing it would seem the whole interview process is nothing but a exercise to satisfy some requirement of interviewing the locals. Q300 training Captains and current Q300 pilots are not making it through. Quite a few Suzi pilots are being interviewed. Myself, with similar sized aircraft turboprop experience and ATPL being given the 'no' of not meeting their requirements to even get an interview. All the while the pilots that have been given the yes are Instructors with experience less than the advertised minimums. When combined with an interview that scrutinizes your ASL exam results and looks for exact dates from your log book to match your in interview stories, all tells me the entire interview exercise is just to tick a box, and they only required a few who will take the conditions and treatment that Jetstar will provide.

[Going Nowhere]

I think what you describe falls under the "Jetstar cultural interview"

There's also the risk associated with conducting too much line training on the initial flights while starting up ops in a new country.

[mattyj]

this is the modern airline interview .. At all cost, the candidate must be malleable, flexible, loyal, non-verbal and non-militant, committed to the company, and fiercely standardised. No candidate displaying tendancies toward independence or self sufficiency or individuality will be allowed to succeed.. Interview technique includes rubbing shoes and buttons with candle wax to remove the shine..

[Hedo Rick]

Be careful of any contractual agreements when paying for endorsements with Jetstar. If it's another failed venture, when they shut the doors Jetstar will bill you for the remainder of the type rating IN FULL $$$.

Potentially jobless with a massive bill. Taking the Pay2Fly farce to a whole new level!

"On Ya Jetstar".

[Joystick jokey]

I hear what some people have said about the interview and its structure. But if it's just flight instructors getting through on FO spots, how would they be doing in the sim check which follows?

Wouldn't more experienced turbo-prop guys be at a much higher standard?

[morno]

The thing about sim checks Jokey (any sim checks, and is that supposed to be JoCkey?), is they're not looking for the ace of the base best turbo-prop driver they can find. What they are looking for is that someone has potential and can be taught. Obviously if they're already experienced on type, then a higher standard is expected.

So regardless of whether they're flying instructors or 2,000hr turbo-prop drivers, it shouldn't matter.

morno

[Joystick jokey]

The thing about sim checks Jokey (any sim checks, and is that supposed to be JoCkey?), is they're not looking for the ace of the base best turbo-prop driver they can find. What they are looking for is that someone has potential and can be taught. Obviously if they're already experienced on type, then a higher standard is expected.

So regardless of whether they're flying instructors or 2,000hr turbo-prop drivers, it shouldn't matter.

morno

Haha it's suppose to be Jokey!

I hear exactly what your saying. I understand they aren't looking for the best pilot necessarily, and train-ability comes into it all.
I was more referring back to previous comments in a way, that noted they have overlooked a lot of TP drivers and taken a lot of FIs instead.

At the end of the day, if you tick their boxes, interview and sim well, you give yourself the best chance!

Good luck to anyone who makes it through!

[TheMist]

I know of a few guys who have interviewed. None of them were flight instructors.
So because you know a very small sample it therefore applies to all that have been interviewed? Is that what you are trying to say?
Tell us all about those that you know that did get in?
My observation was nothing about them taking nothing but Instructors. Simply that as an example some of those that are getting in, do not even meet the experience that has been advertised as a minimum.
At the end of the day, if you tick their boxes, interview and sim well, you give yourself the best chance!
Lets not forget that this is not a 'o they were good at interview' thing. This means HR invited to interview candidates knowing that they do not meet the hours advertised before they are even interviewed. Which fits with, for anyone else out there that is wondering what the heck is going on, the whole thing appears to be a farce and a tick box process of having 'interviewed the locals', when in reality the intent is to take hardly anyone.

The Jetstar turboprop operation is not here to make a profit, sure it might barely, but it is more about bleeding money from Air NZ with the drop in prices they will have to suffer to compete, and a retaliation for Virgin Australia in which Air NZ has invested.

[Chris2303]

One would hope that the jet operation is not being put at risk by this (probably) loss making light aircraft venture.

[TheMist]

As ever, pilots are so good on these forums with turning on each other, looking for a way to deride the person, while being incapable of understanding the point trying to be made. It makes you wonder why there aren't more fights in the cockpit.
Good luck to all those sending in applications, not hearing anything, and those totally confused as to why they didn't get through and wondering why; as you know, it's all about you...or is it...

[Aeolus2000BC]

Hours- Hours- Hours !

What do hours tell us ?
Or is SKILL more important?

Francois Sommers Logbook for 6 Jun1944
Unit: 12 FAFL (Forces Aériennes Françaises Libres)
Acft: Douglas DB-7/Boston 3A
Regn: BZ 332
Mission: From 0600hrs create a smoke screen every 10mins between the naval bombardment force and the coast - at UTAH beach.
Flight hours: Before 6Jun44 Day: 244:45hr Night: 6:20hr
6Jun44: 1:35hr

Perhaps some other 'experienced avaitors may satisfy your egos? (and hours)
Commandant René Mouchotte
Squadron commander of No. 65 Squadron RAF, the first RAF squadron to be commanded by a non-Commonwealth officer.
Accumulated 1,748 flying hours, including 408 operational hours flying 382 combat sorties.

Flight Lieutenant Harry Hooper
At 19 one of the youngest pilots to fly the Lancaster Bomber during the Second World War. (Lancasters only had ONE pilot)

Hans-Joachim Marseille (13 December 1919 – 30 September 1942)
20yrs old during the Battle of Britian
158 victories against the British Commonwealth's Desert Air Force over North Africa, flying the Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighter for his entire combat career

and one from the Spitfire stable
42925 Squadron Leader Geoffrey Wellum
Joined RAf at 18, Battle of Britian at 19 etc etc.

Its not just Air Force pilots that were skilled, Operation Deadstick- an ARMY Glider Operation - SSgt Jim Wallwork landed his Glider only 45m from the bridge, at night, without lights or an FMC etc etc, just SKILL.
You will have to visit the Pegasus Bridge Museum to see his log book- only approx 100hrs more than todays Integrated CPL course.
"Their operation is equivalent to forced landing the largest sized aircraft without engine aid- than which there is no
higher test of piloting skill" Marshal of the Royal Air Force Sir Arthur Travers Harris

What are we/they looking for?
- Hours or SKILL?
- - or perhaps the indication that one has potential to develop skill?

[flyboy_nz]

What are we/they looking for?
- Hours or SKILL?
- - or perhaps the indication that one has potential to develop skill?

Isn't it that USUALLY hours/experience = skill? Yes, there are some gifted flyers but there's more to working as a pilot than just having the skills to fly a plane and maintaining accuracy of needles.

Meaning the ability to remain calm and working under pressure. Ability to work as an effective team player and lead a team. Ability to think way ahead and multi-task. Ability to get along with people from different cultures and backgrounds... try being stuck in a cockpit for more than two hours with a person who can't hold a basic convo or someone who can't handle criticism. Some people are born with these skills, others develop these skills by gaining experience but some obviously don't care or get the chance.

From my experience, you pick guys that have good skills with some experience and know how to get along with each other and the management. Smooth sailing from there. But obviously HR see it differently.

[Aeolus2000BC]

Nail on the HEAD!

Have you ever seen an HR person on the jumpseat ?
How many HR women (HR depts are 99% women) are married (or sleeping/living) with pilots ?

So if the answer to the above questions are NO and NIL, then HOW THE HELL DO HR 'ladies' know what is required on the Flight Deck?

HR questions to a colleague who recently underwent screening at a XXX airline
Q: Give me an example of how when you were under pressure you diffussed the situation/conflict.
Ans: I shot and killed him!
Startled HR 'lady'- nearly faints but manages to regain her thoughts
Q: Why did you shoot him?
Ans: He was Taliban and shooting at us !
HR: Don't you think that was a little too agressive?
Ans: No
HR: But if he was shooting at you, were you not frightened?
Ans: No
HR: I do not believe you. If you are being shot at YOU must be frightened. It is human nature. Tell us why you were not frightened.
Ans: Parachute Regt. 2 tours in Iraq and 2 in Helmund province.
HR: Where is Helmund province?
Ans: Colleague looks at Mgt Pilots - "Gentlemen, If you as an airline employ HR staff with no brains or 'Life experience' as this lady as displayed here, then you are not worthy of my services. Good day"


END of SCREENING => candidate considered TOO AGGRESSIVE !
- was he ?

[Di_Vosh]

(Disclaimer: I'm responding to a quote from someone who heard it from someone else)

END of SCREENING => candidate considered TOO AGGRESSIVE !
- was he ?

Yes, most definitely too aggressive!

If the interview happened exactly as your colleague said it did, and the interview was for an airline.


DIVOSH!

[Di_Vosh]

The more I read your "colleagues" answers the more stupid I think they are.

Seriously, anyone answering questions in that manner and reacting the way they did (if it actually happened) clearly didn't want to work for that airline.

DIVOSH!

[Ollie Onion]

I have done a bit of recruiting with some of these HR types and if the answers above were given then I wouldn't want them in the flightdeck with me. Look Guys and Girls, it is their train set and if they want to use a clairvoyant to help them with the hiring process then that is the way it is. If you don't like it don't apply for that airline.

I have been through all sorts of bizarre exercises in the quest to get hired, sometimes it has worked, sometimes it hasn't, just how it is!

[Steve Zissou]

Good reply Pilat.

[neville_nobody]

I can sympathize with those struggling to move up the ladder, I really can, but you've got to get over how many hours you've got and start looking at other attributes, that's the way HR are looking at things so you need to adapt or give up... as harsh as that might sound.

Well from my experience that is not how it works it is all about hours.

End of the day nobody cares about how much of a hotshot you are or your HD average at uni.

You don't get a shot at a job if you don't have the hours....period.

The way it should work in IMHO is airlines should screen people early on in their career and annoint them as suitable then when they reach x hours they can get a start.

That way you have something to work toward, people are then really recruited on talent and it cuts out the BS lottery element that is GA.

Seen alot of guys race into airlines young who just happened to be well connect in GA circles who were not as good as people who were less connected but because they could get into the interview and the other guy couldn't they got recruited. Then there's a downturn and now he's stuck in some job collecting hours they are now deemed useless by HR.

I left GA after 1500 hours and was more than capable as a Turbo-Prop F/O followed quickly by a command.

And heres the rub 'back in the day' you wouldn't have even got an interview with that sort of experience

[Joystick jokey]

So does anyone know of the types of tech questions likely to be asked during these specific interviews? Or stock standard Jetstar interview questions?

Obviously there is the behavioural questions, questions about Jetstar NZ and the Dash 8, questions relating to your current operations (instructing/ charter/ multi crew), aircraft specific questions on most current type? How about law related questions... Maybe IREX, F&D?

[Ollie Onion]

I heard that a stock standard question was 'what engine does the dash 8 300 have?' Apparently only a couple of candidates could answer, so I would think just some basic dash8 knowledge from an airline inflight mag or similar might be appropriate.

Perhaps learn the specs from:

http://www.jetstar.com/nz/en/about-us/our-fleet

[empacher48]

I had to laugh Ollie at the fact the engines, according to their own website, are General Electric PW123E...

No wonder some didn't know if they went there!

[717tech]

From my experience, the GE123E was always more reliable than the PW123E :ok:

[Aeolus2000BC]

Colleagues in Europe continually tell me they fly with F/Os - straight out of KLS/CAE/CTC schools getting a F/O posn in A320/B737NGs. They only do 40 sectors Line Training, are immediately rated CAT3B and do 'International Flights' from the first day on LINE TRAINING.

Tell me its a joke - Jetstar Australia doing 6mths Line Trg and NOT allowed to do 'International Flights' as a F/O for 12mths ????????? :eek:

Oh - I forgot to mention-- the multi-lingual crew - you know
- French/German/Austrians/Dutch/Czech/Polish/Italian/Spanish/Irish (Bloody leprechauns)/Portuguese/Algerians/Morroccans/Danish/Swedes/Norwegians (all bloody Vikings!)/Serbs/GREEKS (oh my GOD)/Turks(oh my double GOD)- thats just the Flight deck.
- You can double the above number for Cabin Crew languages I have flown with!! ::=

Did I mention the multi-lingual ATC? - Parlez-vous français ?

Is there an airport in Oz or enzed that has 7 acft stacked on the ILS approach during rush hours ?
- has 4 parrallel rwys ?
- gives 50% of the ATC instr in French?

[Ollie Onion]

It's no joke, I arrived in OZ with a type rating and many thousands of hours on the aircraft flying all over he globe and was made to complete 120 hours of line training which took about 4 months due to lots of trainees at the time. Still, didn't worry me, I just enjoyed the ride, wasn't very taxing so was able to use the time to get my head around Aussie 'quirks'.

I guess you just accept the overkill in training hours and make the most of it.

[Bula Bandit]

No - I correct myself
- the Gods ARE CRAZY

They create mountains just to satisfy their egos.
I heard (BBQ here at the beach)- that one 'self created GOD' in NZ refused to train a DEC on a T prop because the Trainee was 'not current flying in the NZFIR'.

Being 'current flying in the NZFIR' is NOT a NZCAA repuirement.

Thats why their are TRAINING departments.?

But a quick search reveals 'xxxx does NOT train'.

[carbonneutral]

No - I correct myself
- the Gods ARE CRAZY

They create mountains just to satisfy their egos.
I heard (BBQ here at the beach)- that one 'self created GOD' in NZ refused to train a DEC on a T prop because the Trainee was 'not current flying in the NZFIR'.

Being 'current flying in the NZFIR' is NOT a NZCAA repuirement.

Thats why their are TRAINING departments.?

But a quick search reveals 'xxxx does NOT train'.

Was that relating to Jetstar or Eastern training department?

[rmcdonal]

Bula Bandit
The Gods must be CRAZY
No - I correct myself
- the Gods ARE CRAZY

They create mountains just to satisfy their egos.
I heard (BBQ here at the beach)- that one 'self created GOD' in NZ refused to train a DEC on a T prop because the Trainee was 'not current flying in the NZFIR'.

Being 'current flying in the NZFIR' is NOT a NZCAA repuirement.

Thats why their are TRAINING departments.?

But a quick search reveals 'xxxx does NOT train'.
Pretty sure this has nothing to do with this thread.

[scon]

Aeolus2000, you've now flogged Eagle and Jetstar's training. Is there anyone else you would like to add that doesn't meet the lofty heights of European LCC's in this part of the world?

[waren9]

I heard (BBQ here at the beach)- that one 'self created GOD' in NZ refused to train a DEC on a T prop because the Trainee was 'not current flying in the NZFIR'.

Being 'current flying in the NZFIR' is NOT a NZCAA repuirement.

been posted before mate. starting a fake noob to keep riding your hobby horse is a bit of a no no :=

[Going Nowhere]

A few Q400 FO's worked out they would be worse off going to the left seat in NZ so withdrew their interest.

Pretty sure only 1 person has taken up the offer yet.

[27/09]

Shades of Ansett NZ with the wage structure. Ansett had to bring Aussie pilots on Aussie wages to get that up and running. That scenario ended up with NZ Ansett crew being paid a lot more than other New Zealand pilots. We all know where that ultimately ended.

I wonder if it's a portent of things to come.

[Ollie Onion]

The pay on offer is actually not bad, it matches that of 1st year Air Nelson. The problem this operation has go is that there is not enough lead in time to get it fully crewed locally when you set the requirements so high from the off.

Yes the operation will start with a large Ozzie contingent but that will be reduced as local crews are recruited and come on line.

[Ollie Onion]

Pilat,

I agree, they won't attract many from OZ, like Jetstar NZ the CP positions will be filled by OZ captains coming over for one or two weeks at a time until some DEC's can be recruited or FO's upgraded.

[27/09]

The problem this operation has go is that there is not enough lead in time to get it fully crewed locally when you set the requirements so high from the off.I wonder how the local crew will feel seeing other crew doing the same job on better money?

[Corkey McFuz]

So what actually is the pay ? I doubt its enough to live in Auckland.

What about allowances / bonuses etc ?

Any chance of basing somewhere other than Auckland

Particularly what is the command pay ? I had heard somewhere that some people were offered a deal for quick command (6 months to a year) but it sounds BS to me.

I would appreciate some facts & numbers from anyone actually in the know.

I'm slightly interested... :E

PM would be fine. Thanks so much people ! :ok:

[framer]

From what I have heard ( third hand) the actual figures are about 65% of the above figures. If it was any good then those that have applied would have been happy to post it on here so I'm picking it's a bit rubbish.

[Going Nowhere]

Have heard that there may be some 'bonus' to stay 12 months if going from QLink to JQNZ.

No idea on how much or how much truth there is to the above.

Given that they are individual contracts... Who knows...

[HappyBandit]

Individual contracts yes so some differences however Pilat is pretty spot on. Based on a sample size of 2 from the their respective mouths. What was interesting though was that both of them weren't sure what additional T and C's eg. dha, overnight allowances, food allowances etc they would be getting.

[smiling monkey]

I see they've recently reopened A320 FO recruitment for the NZ bases.

Why do they require Australian ATPLs as a minimum requirement when they are operating NZ bases? Are the aircraft ZK or VH registered?

[Going Nowhere]

VH- registered under Eastern's AOC.

[A320 Flyer]

Australian company
Australian AOC
VH Reg
Australian ATPL
-------
NZ Pay and conditions

Wouldn't expect a command within 5-7 years on the A320

[Ollie Onion]

Elise,

1st year A320 FO : $97,000 base + $3,000 when Queenstown qualified.
Overtime above 65 hours per month of $130 per hour
Overnight allowance of approx $120 per 24 hours.
No DTA at this stage.
Performance bonus can be paid when the company feels like it, they have had one paid in the last 3 years.
5 weeks leave + stats (8 days).
Staff travel in line with Qantas policy so is quite good, very cheap domestically in NZ.
5 years probably about right for a command but that could reduce due to an expected exodus of Qantas guys back to mainline over the next 18 months.

Contract expires March 2016 so I believe NZALPA and Jetstar about to open negotiations. Expect 3% on all of those numbers...... Possibly!

[78ZH]

Since it's a NZ based position why is there a need to have a current Aus IR to apply. Providing you have an Australian part 61 ATPL and IR then a check can surly be done in the sim - which your going to have to do reguardless if successful. If your current in NZ and flying commercially surly that would surfice, nobody has a spare few thousand lying around "just in case" when your already current. An ILS is the same at Auckland as it is in Sydney.
And would anybody know of a bridging course that can be done in NZ or Aus via corrospondace for the Maths and English equipment that is now needed:ugh:

[Captain Condom]

Just to add to the mix.

I applied to Jetstar a couple of months ago. I'm a captain at Air Nelson, ttfo (do a search) by Air New Zealand so looking for other options. Got a fairly quick response to my application - asked to take the online psych test ($187). No details on salary, prospects etc, so at this stage I phoned Jetstar in Australia. I got straight through to the HR person - had a quick chat then she put me on to the pilot recruiter. Basically they are setting up a similar structure to Air New Zealand/Air Nelson. They are setting up a turboprop operation, no connection to the jets, no common seniority list etc. Salary is about the same as Air Nelson. Didn't really talk about other terms and conditions - I did say I thought they would be lucky to get captains without a common seniority list (I emailed Grant Kerr, head of Jetstar NZ) with the same opinion, but didn't get any reply.

May be a good option for people looking to get a quick command. If I were them though, with no ties to N z, I'd apply to Emirates. There is a big, exciting, well paid world beyond NZ.

Hope this helps

[Corkey McFuz]

Ha had do search ttfo and laughed (sorry). I get the impression they are struggling to find captains, I've heard of a few people being offered DEC's with little to no experience in that type of operation. Though I think one of their biggest setbacks is the Auckland only base.

In this day and age, regional turboprop earnings are simply not adequate enough to live in Auckland. Even the ones they have will be looking to move upwards because it's simply unaffordable,- so high turnover.

I think they would do better at getting / retaining crews if they could base them in the regions (the Napiers/Nelsons, hell even the Christchurchs & Wellingtons). The planes are all going to be overnighting there anyway surely there would be more advantage in the long run with having crews based in the regions. And air nelson shutting down regional bases I'm sure there are plenty of dash skippers who don't want move their family to the big smoke and rather jump on the jetstar bandwagon if it means staying put...

What are the chances ?

[Cloud Cutter]

I agree, Corkey - I really question Air NZ's decision to withdraw provincial crew basing, and as you say, it could be a big advantage to JetStar if they went that way. Any chance would hinge on the operation being proved viable, and expansion to say 15+ frames IMO - but even then, JetStar are more cut-throat and less socially responsible than Air NZ, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Cloud Cutter]

The bean counters would do well to better evaluate the non-monetary benefits of multiple bases (good corporate citizenship, retention of quality crew, reduced training costs), but even speaking solely in dollar terms - you don't have to pay crew as much if they live in the regions! This gets washed out a bit if Auckland is one of your main bases, but having only main-center bases will undoubtedly flow through to higher labour costs overall (per crew member I mean, which would offset the reduced numbers to some extent). You could even offer cost of living-weighted salaries - then pilots who really want to live in the regions could put their money where their mouths are.

[Corkey McFuz]

So Jetstar are now up and running with the -8s, anyone know how it's all going ?

Any updates on the Ts & Cs, $$, allowances, crew requirements, anything ?

[Chris2303]

Is that why the OTP is appalling?

[smiling monkey]

I guess all positions have been filled by now?

[Chris2303]

They are not likely to retain much of their customer base if they can't get their OTP right.

Even the jet fleet is having OTP problems.

[737pnf]

Jbrownie, from what I have heard, yes. I believe they are winding back on services because they don't have enough pilots; especially Captains. Like a lot of operators in the Australiasia part of the world, they're screaming for guys.
As I understand it, a combination of Chinese and Emirati carriers ramping up recruitment due growth, as well as baby boomers beginning to retire, means that there will be plenty of opportunities for a while to come, unless something drastic happens like outbreak of war or another SARS event. Take your pick of operators.