Police Commisioner suggesting troops should be In Calais

[NutLoose]

And I don't mean travelling on holiday, I thought troops on the streets was a no no.... Its the plods job.


Send Army to halt Calais crisis, police chief says (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/send-army-to-halt-calais-crisis-police-chief-says/ar-AAdGohT?ocid=iehp)




They should simply change the law and ship them straight back to France, no question, they are not persecuted in France, triple fence the port and electrify the middle one.

[Pontius Navigator]

120 French police. Drop in the ocean.

Went to Disney Paris a couple of years back. It was being patrolled by armed French Marines. Now that is what they should do.

If the East Germans could get through barbed wire, mines, automatic guns etc, what chance the French stopping thousands of would be immigrants.

And why stop those trying to leave?

[minigundiplomat]

Despite all the chaff and flare from the Mayor/Marie of Calais, it is perfectly acceptable for the UK to safeguard their borders - the exact reason for the opt out on Schengen. The French obviously understand this as they recently closed the border with Italy over migration concerns.

This will continue whilst Europe cannot control their borders and the Med is a 6 lane highway for economic migrants. Easy to be critical of the Italians & Greeks but their maritime resources are swamped.

[JointShiteFighter]

Bolleaux to him. As a police commissioner, he should be well aware of the stresses of an infinite workload and a finite budget to fund everything, as it is happening right now with every police force in the country, and it is exactly the same with the Forces. It's not for the Military to do, the Forces are busy enough as it is without doing a job that civilian Coppers should be doing.

[Avitor]

From what I have been reading, the Prime Minister has lost control of our country. So much for his love of the European Union.....and its aims.

[pr00ne]

Avitor,

Stop reading the Daily Mail...

[pax britanica]

I don't think the extra police being sent to Calais are the French equivalent of the local plod They are more likely to be the CRS who are usually regarded as Europe's toughest riot police.
And as for the control of our own borders arguments its nothing to do with the EU it is because we have lost control of our own country internally that the problem exists in the first place. Remember that for now the border is in France and while we have a problem with people attempting to get to the UK the same people are IN France already.

My personal view is that we should agree with the French that every migrant caught damaging property /trespassing /threatening etc in the Calais area should be fingerprint and DNA taken and checked and then told that they will be denied access to UK since they are criminals or criminal suspects . Of course we will have to share the costs of that and the consequences with France since they won't want them there either but working together we could, even with these numbers, return them to either their first port of call in EU or better direct to their own country.

Its hard and a bit cruel because these people are doing what most of us would do in the same circumstances but all the while we are closing old peoples homes and pricing our own children out of the property market we have to say sorry UK is full unless you are EU citizen.


Sadly i think none of this will happen as it suits government to have a large surplus of workforce over jobs and a ready made 'hate' subject to distract people from other issues here at home like selling the NHS to American healthcare companies piece by piece.

[Wander00]

I always thought the wail a pretty awful newspaper, but it seems to be getting worse.

[Avitor]

I always thought the wail a pretty awful newspaper, but it seems to be getting worse.

For that reason I don't bother with it.

[Top Bunk Tester]

We need to examine what is making the UK so attractive to all of these migrants that makes them want to travel as fast as possible across various European countries to get here. Once that is identified, and we all know that it is our overly generous benefits package, then withdraw it. The problem would disappear overnight.

As an aside, because I am in receipt of an Armed Forces Medical Pension, I am not entitled to any other benefits whatsoever even though I have paid NI for my whole life. :ugh:

[JointShiteFighter]

We need to examine what is making the UK so attractive to all of these migrants that makes them want to travel as fast as possible across various European countries to get here. Once that is identified, and we all know that it is our overly generous benefits package, then withdraw it. The problem would disappear overnight.

I suspect the Tories don't have a large enough majority for this to be achievable. Unfortunate, but that's how it is since the lefties just love to hand out benefits to people who haven't earned them, without doing anything to get them on their feet.

[DirtyProp]

but that's how it is since the lefties just love to hand out benefits to people who haven't earned them, without doing anything to get them on their feet.
Exactly right.
Same in Italy, where our criminal government has de facto transformed our Navy into a goodwill - free ferry service.
The criminal lefties eventually want to give the right to vote to them. That's their plan.

I urge all of you to write to your political representative, and tell them that when Italy requests more help to "rescue those poor migrants" your reply should be a big, fat middle finger.

[NutLoose]

I still say using landing craft and putting them back on the beaches they left from will soon dry up that route once it gets around that you will pay a couple of K and get nowhere, they will stop paying the traffickers, no customers, no business, means no boats.
Going in close to Libya and picking them up just means that they will set off in even more dodgy boats safe in the knowledge a shuttle service is awaiting them a couple of miles off shore.

[MPN11]

Agree strongly with Nutloose ... it seems the only practical solution, albeit of questionable legality.

"We were rescuing them and returning them to shore" might be challenged in Court ;)

[Wensleydale]

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"Steady Lads......they're about to storm the Eurotunnel again!"

[MPN11]

... preceded by "Zulus, Sir - thousands of them", surely?

[BEagle]

I see that Hattie Harperson has criticised Call-me-Dave's use of the collective noun 'swarm' when describing these economic migrants.....:rolleyes:

If that all she's got to contribute, thank heavens her party has zero chance of forming a government in the foreseeable.

[Exascot]

If I was stuck in France I would do anything to get out as well. :E

It is a French problem. They let them in.

Also agree with the OP.

[pr00ne]

Top Bunk Tester.

"Overly generous benefits package?"

What??

Have you not been listening to the news of late. Political parties of ALL persuasions have been falling over themselves to limit/qualify/restrain/cut benefits of all kinds for the last 18 months. This lot are no exception and if you think that UK benefits are 'overly generous' then you are obviously not trying to live off them!

I suggest that the reason the UK is so popular is that it has a growing and expanding economy and oodles of openings for folk at the bottom of the income/qualifications pile.

There is a substantial skills shortage in the UK, we don't have enough folk to do the skilled jobs, let alone the rather more unpleasant unskilled menial jobs.

THAT'S why they want to come here.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

One reason the UK has a substantial skills shortage is because hordes of professionals are emigrating because of all the immigrants.

And the immigrants coming in are not, by and large, physics teachers or nuclear engineers.

Furthermore, when you lose all those professionals, you can't educate or mentor the current or next generation to fill the gaps.

I should add that I have nothing against immigrants per se - indeed, I now am one. It is just that the burden of taxation, reduction in services and quality of life deteriorate to the point where the UK simply isn't worth it anymore. Your average immigrant has to be not only a net contributor, but a higher contributor than the average member of your indigenous population (unless you have full employment, in which case they just have to be a net contributor). This simply isn't the case for the UK, and that's why so many the professionals are leaving.

[Top Bunk Tester]

Pr00ne

Maybe I didn't make myself clear, for which I apologise.

What I should have done was give you my definition of 'overly generous' ....

I consider anything over £1 per week per person given to anybody that has not contributed to 'the system' for a given amount of time to be overly generous.

Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money!

[Chugalug2]

I agree pr00ne that we should admit those that we want to, whether we do so for humanitarian, economic, or for whatever other reasons. While we are in the EU we cannot do so freely. We need to regain control of our own immigration policies and not have them dictated to us from the EU, which is not united and never will be.

It could be argued that had we made peace with the Nazis in 1940 instead of choosing to resist and then to contribute to their defeat, that we could have become far more powerful than we are today. The deal offered was for us to continue to dominate the British Empire while Germany dominated all Europe.

That may well have been a false prospectus but many were lured by it then, just as they are today by the false prospectus that is the EU. It claims (and for which it received the Nobel Peace Prize) to keeping the peace in Europe since WW2. It didn't, NATO did. It claims that political union will follow monetary union. It won't, far more likely instead that it will erupt into outright hostilities.

Now we have the great challenge of our age, that of the haves and the have nots. Whatever the solution to that conundrum, it will not lie within the EU which is unable to resolve the economic imbalances within its own countries, sorry regions. If we send troops to France in order to forcibly repel impoverished and desperate migrants it will end in disaster for us and justification for the French. As Exascot says, it is their problem and they should enforce their own security in their own country. We can supply the kit but they should supply the protection needed to install it, otherwise the Chunnel should remain closed until it can be secured. There is a cost to national security, and that will be a part of it. We have always had to pay that price and, as long as we wish to be free of the domination of others, we always will.

[Roland Pulfrew]

if you think that UK benefits are 'overly generous' then you are obviously not trying to live off them!

Oh God. Here we go again; more bleating from the resident socialist. UK benefits are currently capped at £26000 per annum. The bunch in power have just proposed reducing that to £24K or £21K depending upon where you live. In case you had missed it, those new figures are £3-£6K per year more than a soldier, sailor or airman within their first 2-3 years service; and, are £1K to £9K more than nurses in Bands 1-4. I know where I would rather the money was spent!

[chopper2004]

Sorry guys, could not resist but hopefully a few of these will be put to good work soon if not already (my photo from Textron chalet @ Le Bourget last month) might help>

Cheers

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[chopper2004]

As its the Commissioner himself putting these suggestions then he may need this :D lol :cool::p:ok:

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[Heathrow Harry]

"One reason the UK has a substantial skills shortage is because hordes of professionals are emigrating because of all the immigrants.

And the immigrants coming in are not, by and large, physics teachers or nuclear engineers."

no they're people who clean offices, empty the bins, work in cafe's, dig the roads, pick the crops, drive the buses and taxis, do nightshift nursing, provide carers for the old, work on building sites - all those useless sort of jobs

all the jobs the average Brit won't do as it requires hard work - we'd much rather be in the media, or software designers or (laothsome) bankers and lawyers or physics teachers or nuclear engineers

we'd be way up s*** creek without immigrants TBH :(:(

[dagenham]

It's no different in the good ole US of A... a good friend local builder with a great business has a son who has no interest in taking over the firm. He wants to be a rock star / programming genius etc etc... We are reliant on immigrant labour for many skilled jobs - carpentry, plumbing etc as no one wants to do them.

The challenge with eu freedom is that those countries who want it are those that want people to freely move into their country and then quickly out to the chosen destination which is the UK. There seems to be little fair share around.

We of course have the issue, like France, of a commonwealth who can settle here too... so the pressure comes from everywhere.

I do have much sympathy as an expat worker here, the hoops to jump through are many and rightfully so. I should not be able to make my home anywhere without being able to pay my way and be a positive contributor to the community.

The issue of human rights is a tough one, but ultimatly we must manage the issue as source rather than provide a release valve. I might be attacked for this, but if the determination to leave was applied to the determination to make changes the world might be a better place.

[Pontius Navigator]

HH, but have a care for my local garage owner who replaced his car wash a couple of years back. It hardly gets used today and he had lost squids on it.

Now we have to drive 6 miles to a choice of Lat or Boz or patronize the Brit in our village.

We have had some eastern European migrants and I am told some non-EU. They don't stay; they don't like rural as there are not the jobs.

[Akrotiri bad boy]

I've had to take copious amounts of valium before writing this because it MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!

The UK Border force has despatched patrol boats to the Med to assist our Italian comrades in fishing migrants out of the sea and landing them in good health on Sicily. These very same migrants are met two weeks later by the UK Border Force at Calais who then attempt to stop them migrating further.

It's hypocrisy at the highest level that "Call me Dave" claims these swarms must be dealt with when his sidekick Ms May, although providing a few bob for a new fence, is actively assisting the migration by authorising the Med deployment of UK border assets.
Does the LH know what the RH is doing?:ugh:

[Heathrow Harry]

Pontius

I was in a bar last year north of ABZ and the local farmers were waxing lyrical as they'd picked up a Polish Vet who was working with the long established local vets who are coming up to retirement - otherwise they were going to be stuffed. Similarly a number of Highland schools only stay open due to E European kids whose paernts are working locally

If you look at any map of immigrants you see great clusters all over E Anglia picking crops the Brits won't

[JointShiteFighter]

True, Harry.

Most of them do jobs that Brits don't want. The Brits want to be the lawyers, the doctors, the academics, the pilots and any other high-paid and/or skilled job you can think of.

[Aerials]

There's a layabout with a large family living a couple of doors from me. Word has it is that he has 'bad back'. That doesn't stop him bashing crinkled cars back into shape or relaxing with his weeds. He hasn't worked a single day in his life. His wife doesn't work either.

There must be work for him which he can't do because there's a queue of immigrants for any job that he can't be bothered to apply for - and we are expected to pay to keep him and his family in the (comparative*) luxury that they've become accustomed to?

There are many similar cases up and down the land that have been reported many, many times in the press and muck-stirring documentaries on TV.

Getting the news to the immigrants that UK isn't paved with gold like they think it is, is obviously a very slow process or they must be ignoring it, thinking it propaganda.

I think that these 'measures' announced lately are just a sop to GB Public while all along, there's a market for cheap, plentiful labour for jobs that should be done by our own indigenous people and for mysterious reasons, aren't.

JSF. "Most of them do jobs that Brits don't want." They don't because they don't have to. Turn the money tap off and they'll have to. End of.

*Compared to many of us who have given Service to the Country and now are retired.

[MPN11]

A perspective from a small Crown Dependency off the coast of France, where some 10% of the population are Portuguese from Madeira and a further 5%+ are from Poland ...

... and they are industrious :ok:

Meanwhile, the Social Security bill for the 'lame, inept and idle' Jersey people continues to rise. :mad:

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

there's a market for cheap, plentiful labour for jobs that should be done by our own indigenous people and for mysterious reasons, aren't.

The mysterious reasons are:
You get treated like sh!t
Expected to work whatever hours are asked, and never argue about anything.

25% of immigrant workers in the UK have been involved in or witnessed a serious industrial accident (Home Office's own estimate). The company delivers the required safety training, but it doesn't care whether that training is well-delivered, or relevant, or check whether you understood it or the foreman applies it. It's just a box-tick. That's also from the Home Office report, and matches my personal experience.
For which you are not paid enough to live a normal life. So you shack up 9 to a house (breaking any number of laws) and live out of tins from Lidl.

Now, this does not apply to all jobs by any stretch, but it doesn't take many before a fair few reasonable people give up and jump on the benefits wagon.
There are, of course, some really lazy b@stards already on that wagon.

[CoffmanStarter]

Best joke I heard today ... "We could open up Manston and park vehicles on the runway" :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Lyneham Lad]

Is it not high time this thread was transferred to Jet Blast?

[Two's in]

Dealing with the problem at Calais is already about 1,000 miles too late. The French have zero incentive to stop them trying to head off to the UK, the UK Border control is farcical, and every stinking, lying, sleazebag politician that opens his or her trap is trying to make political capital off the backs of these absolute wretches.

The Daily Mail leads the tabloid charge to get every brain dead Neanderthal to think this is the real issue of the day, instead of the actual problem which is the incessant leaking away of the UK' s sovereign powers to a bunch of corrupt and dictatorial jumped up traffic wardens in Brussels. It's enough to make you want to get out and lave the festering cesspool to rot - oh wait...

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

The point of military aid to the civil power is that the situation is temporary, and that the military can alleviate it. Neither of those apply here. The best that can be hoped is that the military delay the inevitable, which will probably make it worse rather than better.

Unless the PM intends imposing Martial Law, of course.

[Fonsini]

I work in the US these days and last week one of my American colleagues was reading through the news stories and said he was confused by the photos of thousands of the great European unwashed massing in Calais.

"Why do they travel all the way through Europe, only to then be faced with a difficult sea crossing just to reach the UK, these photos show thousands of them - I just don't get it ?" he asked.

I sent him this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwdT5pYJXo

he sent me this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLWkhumMsI

[NutLoose]

Why travel to London to pick clothes out of someone's bin, he could do the same in Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, Lisbon etc... With in some of the cases Is a shorter journey and probably costing less.

[Wensleydale]

There are some Lions in Zimbabwe that need protecting. Perhaps we could pop a pride or two in a fenced enclosure somewhere in Europe. Now I wonder where we can find one!