ME needs 60,000 drivers in 20yrs...

[Stratosphere6000]

Are you ready to fly? Middle East needs 60,000 new pilots, says Boeing | The National (http://www.thenational.ae/business/aviation/are-you-ready-to-fly-middle-east-needs-60000-new-pilots)

[Desdihold]

We are not drivers we are pilots and as such professionals.
Now, to all our Ryanair colleagues : shave, shine your shoes, stop using so much hair gel, when possible put your jacket on and wear your hat.



Drivers operate taxis and delivery trucks.

[highflyer40]

Des you need to lighten up a bit and stop taking yourself so seriously.

[Panther 88]

I'm with you on that one Desdi.

[fireflybob]

Ryanair pilots uniform does not include hats.....sadly

[Payscale]

Desdi for president;)

[Fack5]

We are not drivers we are pilots and as such professionals.Hear, hear, Desdi. Some punctuation wouldn't go astray, though, simply to underline our claim to professional status, you understand.

Bob, I think he was referring to our own FOs, not those still in RA; in the meantime, you can have my hat if you're that keen!

[Luke SkyToddler]

Another clown having a pop at Ryanair and "professionalism", you need to relax your grip a bit mate. If I was to bet on who's going to lose a jet first out of Ryanair and the Gulf big three, my money wouldn't be on Ryanair :hmm:

Anyway you needn't worry too much, the word is well and truly out in the European lo-cos, about how bad things have got in the sandpit. In another year or two, when they're holding recruitment fairs in real third world bastions of aviation safety like Liberia and Congo, they'll be bloody grateful for every Ryanair CV they can get believe me.

[Modesh]

Sorry Boeing you are are wrong....
It's 60,001. I'm off soon.
M

[fireflybob]

Bob, I think he was referring to our own FOs, not those still in RA; in the meantime, you can have my hat if you're that keen!

Fack5, happily I don't need it as I am retired but I'll take it as a collector's item..

[skyship007]

Hope they give me a call, cos I can ride a camel, drive a 4WD and shoot straight. I can also fly non stop for 36 hrs, survive on a fist full of beans and a bottle or three of Guttoraid (Lemon & Lime only).

PS: Rynair co-pilots are a classic case of, U get wat yer pay for (After deductions for training costs). A slave is a slave, no more and no less. Some of dem dun't know English too well and can't spell!

[AlanPardew]

Now, to all our Ryanair colleagues : shave, shine your shoes, stop using so much hair gel, when possible put your jacket on and wear your hat.

I couldn't agree more desdihold. I've heard there's one of those youngsters who wears so much hair product that he recently modeled for a hairdresser.

Looking forward to having Cabaye back,

Alan

[Capn Rex Havoc]

WHEN MEN WERE MEN AND 707s ROAMED THE EARTH..,,,,,ABSOLUTLY BRILLIANT,HOW & HOW TRUE, HOW TRUE......

To:

The Age of the 707


That smoke is from the 1,700 pounds of water injection the J-57s used for take off. (Go to the overrun and suck the gear up)

Those were the good ole days. Pilots back then were men that

didn't want to be women or girly men. Pilots all knew who

Jimmy Doolittle was. Pilots drank coffee, whiskey, smoked

cigars and didn't wear digital watches.

They carried their own suitcases and brain bags, like the

real men they were. Pilots didn't bend over into the

crash position multiple times each day in front of the

passengers at security so that some Gov't agent could

probe for tweezers or fingernail clippers or too much toothpaste.

Pilots did not go through the terminal impersonating a

caddy pulling a bunch of golf clubs, computers, guitars, and feed

bags full of tofu and granola on a sissy-trailer with no hat

and granny glasses hanging on a pink string around their

pencil neck while talking to their personal trainer on the

cell phone!!!


Being an airline Captain was as good as being the King in a

Mel Brooks movie. All the Stewardesses (aka.

Flight Attendants) were young, attractive, single women that were

proud to be combatants in the sexual revolution. They didn't

have to turn sideways, grease up and suck it in to get

through the cockpit door. They would blush,

and say thank you, when told that they looked good, instead of filing a

sexual harassment claim.

Junior Stewardesses shared a room and

talked about men.... with no thoughts of substitution.

Passengers wore nice clothes and were polite; they could

speak AND understand English. They didn't speak gibberish or

listen to loud gangsta rap on their IPods. They bathed

and didn't smell like a rotting pile of garbage in a jogging

suit and flip-flops.

Children didn't travel alone, commuting

between trailer parks.

There were no Biggest Losers asking for

a seatbelt extension or a Scotch and grapefruit juice

cocktail with a twist.

If the Captain wanted to throw some offensive, ranting jerk

off the airplane, it was done without any worries of a

lawsuit or getting fired.

Axial flow engines crackled with the sound of freedom and

left an impressive black smoke trail like a locomotive

burning soft coal. Jet fuel was cheap and once the

throttles were pushed up they were left there. After all, it was the

jet age and the idea was to go fast (run like a lizard on a

hardwood floor).

"Economy cruise" was something in the

performance book, but no one knew why or where it was. When

the clacker went off, no one got all tight and scared because

Boeing built it out of iron. Nothing was going to fall off and

that sound had the same effect on real pilots then, as

Viagra does now for these new age guys.

There was very little plastic and no composites on

the airplanes (or the Stewardesses' pectoral regions). Airplanes

and women had eye-pleasing symmetrical curves, not a bunch

of ugly vortex generators, ventral fins, winglets, flow

diverters, tattoos, rings in their nose, tongues and eyebrows.

Airlines were run by men like C.R. Smith, Juan Trippe, and Bob Six,

who had built their companies virtually from scratch, knew most

of their employees by name, and were lifetime airline

employees themselves.. ..not pseudo financiers and bean

counters who flit from one occupation to another for a

few bucks, a better parachute or a fancier title, while

fervently believing that they are a class of beings unto themselves.


And so it was back then....and never will be again!

[Flytdeck]

Feeling a bit nostalgic.....

[The Dominican]

Desdihold

We are not drivers we are pilots and as such professionals.

For the love of the all mighty man... Get yourself a hobby:rolleyes:

[highflyer40]

I bet Des is from that same group of pilots that are constantly comparing themselves to doctors as well.

[Luke SkyToddler]

In my experience, the guys who preach from the pulpit about shiny shoes and hat regulations, are the same guys who answer the phone on their day off, accept every roster violation without a whimper, are desperately crawling up management's ass for the next DFO job, and still think they're the most smoking hot "professionals" on earth.

Give me a guy in flip flops and baseball cap, as long as he knows how to fly a jet, work as a team, and doesn't do my head in when I have to sit next to him for 12 hours

[B737SFP]

Dear Luke,

I'm glad to know that there are fellas like you out there.

:D

[Ophion]

WHEN MEN WERE MEN AND 707s ROAMED THE EARTH..,,,,,ABSOLUTLY BRILLIANT,HOW & HOW TRUE, HOW TRUE......

To:

The Age of the 707


That smoke is from the 1,700 pounds of water injection the J-57s used for take off. (Go to the overrun and suck the gear up) .....

And so it was back then....and never will be again!

Did a bit of tidying up, worth it for the read.

The Age of the 707


That smoke is from the 1,700 pounds of water injection the J-57s used for take off. (Go to the overrun and suck the gear up)

Those were the good ole days. Pilots back then were men that didn't want to be women or girly men. Pilots all knew who Jimmy Doolittle was.
Pilots drank coffee, whiskey, smoked cigars and didn't wear digital watches.
They carried their own suitcases and brain bags, like the real men they were.
Pilots didn't bend over into the crash position multiple times each day in front of the passengers at security so that some Gov't agent could probe for tweezers or fingernail clippers or too much toothpaste. Pilots did not go through the terminal impersonating a
caddy pulling a bunch of golf clubs, computers, guitars, and feed bags full of tofu and granola on a sissy-trailer with no hat and granny glasses hanging on a pink string around their pencil neck while talking to their personal trainer on the cell phone!!!
Being an airline Captain was as good as being the King in a Mel Brooks movie.
All the Stewardesses (aka. Flight Attendants) were young, attractive, single women that were proud to be combatants in the sexual revolution. They didn't have to turn sideways, grease up and suck it in to get through the cockpit door. They would blush, and say thank you, when told that they looked good, instead of filing a sexual harassment claim.
Junior Stewardesses shared a room and
talked about men.... with no thoughts of substitution.
Passengers wore nice clothes and were polite; they could speak AND understand English. They didn't speak gibberish or listen to loud gangsta rap on their IPods. They bathed and didn't smell like a rotting pile of garbage in a jogging suit and flip-flops.
Children didn't travel alone, commuting between trailer parks.
There were no Biggest Losers asking for a seatbelt extension or a Scotch and grapefruit juice
cocktail with a twist.
If the Captain wanted to throw some offensive, ranting jerk off the airplane, it was done without any worries of a lawsuit or getting fired.
Axial flow engines crackled with the sound of freedom and left an impressive black smoke trail like a locomotive burning soft coal. Jet fuel was cheap and once the throttles were pushed up they were left there. After all, it was the jet age and the idea was to go fast (run like a lizard on a hardwood floor).
"Economy cruise" was something in the performance book, but no one knew why or where it was. When
the clacker went off, no one got all tight and scared because Boeing built it out of iron. Nothing was going to fall off and that sound had the same effect on real pilots then, as Viagra does now for these new age guys.
There was very little plastic and no composites on
the airplanes (or the Stewardesses' pectoral regions). Airplanes and women had eye-pleasing symmetrical curves, not a bunch of ugly vortex generators, ventral fins, winglets, flow diverters, tattoos, rings in their nose, tongues and eyebrows.
Airlines were run by men like C.R. Smith, Juan Trippe, and Bob Six, who had built their companies virtually from scratch, knew most of their employees by name, and were lifetime airline employees themselves.. ..not pseudo financiers and bean counters who flit from one occupation to another for a few bucks, a better parachute or a fancier title, while fervently believing that they are a class of beings unto themselves.


And so it was back then....and never will be again!

[Mr Good Cat]

I have nothing to do with Ryanair.

However, the ex-Ryanair FOs I fly with on the triple are nothing but highly-disciplined professionals. Maybe those on the 380 have a different experience.

The lesser-disciplined FOs I fly with tend to be older ex-flag carrier types. Not a generalisation, just my observations from my own experiences.

In fact, being honest I would like the ex-Ryan guys to have a little bit more flexibility as they're extremely rigid, contradictory to their apparent background. They're all young-ish guys wanting to learn though, which makes for a nice day out.

[Fear_of_heights]

Desdi no offence mate but you must be either bold or have no facial hair to grow a beard(or both)...Are you one of those bomber hat pilots doing the walkaround with jacket and hat on with 50 degrees outside? :ugh::ugh:
I have to agree with the shoes though...:ok:

[Killer Loop]

Judging by your name you're not bold.

[Fear_of_heights]

I am getting there ;)

[ruserious]

spot on Mr Good Cat, wish some of our new 380 recruits had half the clue of the Ryan air lads

[Fack5]

I "fully" agree about the RyanAir pilots - you don't need to tell them a thing.

They already know it all.

[QCM]

Initially a good topic....then traditional bla bla bla and deviations....too bad but typical...back to thread please:ugh::zzz:

[Payscale]

I think we all agree that you don't need to be spit shined to fly an airplane safely. But I imagine the point was what public perception is different. People will equate a neat fella with being a good pilot and one that forgot his left shoe as being a bad one. It may be the other way around. Just play the game. Look sharp and stay out of trouble. I insider myself a pilot and not a driver, just as my doctor friend considers himself a surgeon and not a butcher. Nothing wrong with being either. Just not the same.

[polax52]

Ok back to the thread.

3000/year seems a push to me, and maybe an underestimate of the true requirement. We struggle to recruit 10 per month, that we want anyway, then we seem to have around a 50% failure rate; and that's an improvement on a couple of years ago.

Another factor in producing future shortage is that the majority of our current recruits are over 55, so we're recruiting guy's that are both likely to take sick leave and who will only remain in the middle East for a short period. These guys take 6 months of training center time for the little return.

[Praise Jebus]

EK can open the recruitment net a lot further yet...turbo prop...direct military....plenty out there I imagine.

[Mr Good Cat]

EK can open the recruitment net a lot further yet...turbo prop...direct military....plenty out there I imagine.

Pretty sure the door has been opened to the SAA turboprop guys, no?

Just what I heard...

[megan]

All true Capt. Rex, but think it applied to an earlier vintage, when things like these were about - nav by the stars too. ;)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/VH-ABBcrop.jpg

or even

http://www.airteamimages.com/pics/220/220621_800.jpg

[Alloyboobtube]

The first ME airline to open bases and or allow month on month off will get as many pilots as they require indefinitely .

[polax52]

Alloyboobtube- That is under consideration by the company that I work for but I think they have a fear that too many local guys would take it up thereby increasing their requirement for Pilots by a third overnight. The bases though is a likely option.

[Alloyboobtube]

Increasing your pilot numbers reduces the competition s pilot numbers , a great business strategy. Also the older guys could work longer with a month off between rosters.

[polax52]

Realistically though the problem is the immediate effect of the changes.

Honestly the only real solution is to pay a salary which would attract widebody guys out of European and U.S. Legacy carriers.