Rosters out - 88hrs + ?

[fliion]

As a matter of interest anyone get more than 88hrs

LHS B777
88:59

f.

[BANANASBANANAS]

Fliion you are slacking mate. I am up at almost 94 hours. :ugh:

[Mach_Krit]

94 hrs...:ooh::ooh::ooh:

[TineeTim]

More than 94!:mad::uhoh::uhoh:

[natops]

777
95 hrs...
11 days off

[altocu]

777
10 days off
94:30

[ishe]

777
95HRS
10Days off

[SOPS]

Think of the over time.
But me thinks the might be a tad short of pilots

[highlight]

What happened to the reduction to 88 hours block???
777
94.5 hours, son. :E

[Oldaircrew]

A380 ballast

88:55

Bit of a shock when you're used to 65!

[TangoUniform]

99 hrs. B777. No kidding, and top bid.

[DuneMentat]

B777 FO
84 hrs including 16 hr deadheading
rtgs + 2 sim
9 days off

[gardenshed]

94.5 Hrs in July.

[Calmcavok]

777
93 Hours
Swapping will be interesting.

[wizard1]

A380 LHS 96 hours
Wheels falling off
No crew transport this morning
Crew Transport no answer
Scheduling no answer
FDM mobile off
FDM landline no answer
SNMC actually picked up the phone
All of this before I've even left home,
45mins later got in a taxi

Why do I bother?

[skysx33]

777
86hrs ..Australia , China , Asia many times
10days off

I realized have been spoiled in FEB , did a HKG after a Dead Heading from West 55h56 after landing in DXB ....
Rules is 120hrs between West /East ...

Less than a year before leaving ...

[White Knight]

380 LHS top bid
Ground school twice for stuff all credit!!!
10 XX days
84 hours inc 5 UK/Europe all at jolly decent hours.

It does sound as if the wheels are falling off the 777 fleet....

[alwayzinit]

B777 lhs

93.55hrs plus first 4 days are reserve.

The roster has studiously managed to avoid ANY of my bid options, which is pretty impressive as they were generic UK region or Freighter plus a row of days off to attend my lad's graduation.

Off to the bouncy castle tomorrow to "discuss" my future in the pit................................

[moneyhoon]

777 rhs
94 hrs
10 days off😵

[JAYTO]

B777 right seat. 96 hours.
They are not losing any sleep, but I am.
Thankfully they got the technical problem sorted.

[White none please]

69hrs.............. Starting to feel guilty. Waiting for an e mail to say someone made a mistake..........

[innersole]

B777 LHS
11 off
94hrs

[glofish]

By the way:

Did anyone in the two top bid groups get anything they bid for??

I got zilch ........ suspecting a roster that was made with only pre-assigned stuff and then just left to cover all flights, but no bids.

[jet576]

Yep !!!!!!!!!

777 LHS
Second top Bid
89+hours
Been here a long time.
DID NOT GET ONE SINGLE TRIP I REQUESTED AGAIN. :=

[mmorel]

A330LHS
8 days off
93hrs

qatar airways

[Osprey55]

92 hrs.

Bid to go west, got Australia/New Zealand, another Australia, and Far East and no requested days off. Basically, absolutely opposite to what I bid for. How is it they can mess up the bids so badly?

Got two messages to acknowledge roster changes before the rosters were even published so I know they had their sticky paws in there messing things up.

I am so fed up with this incompetence and denial.

[Ophion]

B777
LHS
Top bid
87 hours
15 days off
Got everything I bid for including 3 trips to home city on weekends as I bid for.
All day flying morning euro departures.

[Trader]

777 LHS
2nd Top Bid
10 days leave
Only request was for 4 or 5 days OFF after leave - got 1 :(
70 hours flying!!!! With 10 leave days!!!!

[The Turtle]

wow trader....can't top that!! shocking


LHS
94hrs
10 days off

[Heritage 1]

A380 LHS
5 days RSV
92.5 hours

[thrustidle74]

777
85hrs+RTGS/SIM etc etc
Didn't even bother counting my days off.

[lomo]

B777
80 hrs
8 days off
5 days RTGS
2 AD:=

[rotafix]

Lhs B777
91hrs

Times up here I think!

[White Sausage]

LHS 777
94 hours
10 days off
Absolutely NOTHING I bid for in middle bid, but hey, am here only 14 years, so I shouldn't expect to get any of my bids :mad::ugh::ugh::ugh:
My retirement date suddenly got a whole lot closer :mad:

[Mrs Mangels]

Whatever numbers are put on here, I think we all need to look at, and think about mmorel's numbers - 330 LHS, 8 days off, 93 hrs.
No matter what we all got personally, that is an absolute debacle. Imagine what that poor bloke is doing next month, with the fleet he's on, and the hours he, and his colleagues, are doing. If they think it's OK to treat him like that, it's OK to treat us all like that.
No matter what the rest of us got, its appalling that our comrades are suffering that ****. We should not feel guilt, but we should feel something, not this gloating pompous bull****.

We're all in this together.

[donpizmeov]

He is from Goat airlines Mrs M.

[adel]

B777
LHS
88.55 hrs
Sep, CRM
10days off
Bidding!!!! Missed out as usual

[BLOGGSON]

92.5 HOURS
12 Days off
Nothing I bid for.
Middle bid.
777 LHS

[QCM]

777 lhs
Bottom bid
Got all expected flights
79 hrs
16 days off...
Then I woke up in the middle of the night with empty bottle in my hand...

[falconeasydriver]

As a final check before the rosters were released, a derived mathematical calculation using the proprietary EK roster software inputs was used to improve the performance of this car....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z51HgIouwE

[CharterJake]

Falcon is on fire folks! Love your work, buddy!
:ok:

[Kapitanleutnant]

Has anyone had success in swapping with these rosters this month?

So far, I've tried 6 and am 0-6!
The new reduction of threshold has actually made things WORSE!

Glad to be leaving shortly….

K

[Sheikh Your Bootie]

LHS on John Deere aka 777
85hrs, 4 days leave. 9 days off.

2nd top bid

Roster bears no likeness to my bids. Nada, nothing I bid for.

If you didn't get what you bid for, write a polite e mail to JA. I think there was a problem with the results, at least by the reply I got. Might not change sweet FA, but who knows.
I can't swap anything so far, the lower thresholds seems to be screwing that up. Not that anyone wants what I got :ugh::ugh::ugh: Anyone for Africa??

SyB :yuk::yuk:

[fatbus]

I think there is now @ 1000/777 Caot or 200 / bid group . 2 nd top group puts you between 201 and 400 mid group 401 to 600 etc etc . Point being depending on what you bid for even in your top bid group the flts may be already taken.
Eg ; SEA daily 2 Capt's per flight @ 60 x 2 =120 , all 120 could be gone in your top bid if you are near the mid to bottom of your group. Does not happen that way but coould explain why some guys don't get what they bid for.

Keep in mind the numerous other bid restrictions we have no access to.

BTW

380 LHS
50 hrs
9 days off ( 4 before vacation)
7 days vacation
And the flights I bid for

[Fire Ball XL5]

LHS 777
Reserve Month... 31 "R's" in a row...
Based on what I'm reading here on this thread...
Should be an "interesting" month +5 days...:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh::uhoh: :{

[Praise Jebus]

LHS 380
90.5 hrs
1 day RTGS

[harry the cod]

K

The B777 rosters have not even been out 24 hours, hardly appropriate to be judging your lack of swap success in my opinion. Further, as a US citizen, you're biased towards ULR's with specific destinations and requirements for numerous days off in order to accommodate that request. In light of our rules on ULR's, that's an expectation which is bound to disappoint. For someone who's been here as long as you have, I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet.

As for leaving, at your stage in the game I assume it's retirement rather than another employer, right? Have you set an actual date yet?

Harry

[skyvan]

Well Harry, before you get bogged down with the ULR being the problem for swaps, I am sitting in top bid, got nothing I bid for, not even days off, the one ULR that I had bid for I did not get, (although funnily enough a mid-bid group friend did get one!) and the 8 swaps that I have looked at, I get the standard 2 responses : Hitting the 40 hour buffer of 900 hours in 12 months, and productivity.

Quite frankly, having a bid system gives a person an expectation of getting some of what they would like, but when a person at middle of his group in top bid gets sweet bugger all, well that expectation is crushed and disappointment ensues.

Is it any wonder that more and more CVs are hitting the desks of the contract companies?

[Kapitanleutnant]

Harry, Harry, Harry....

Dear boy.... You're wrong on each and every accusation. I had started to think you saw the light at the end of the tunnel being the proverbial oncoming EK train but seems you're still thinking it's not.

I don't bid for US flights... Seldom seemed to get them so gave up a few years ago actually.

Not retiring either, Harry. Do I look that old? :-) Going to another carrier that will appreciate my professional skills and dedication and show more respect that I (we) deserve .... and even for less pay. Not about money for me dear Harry. Rather, job satisfaction.. . Of which I have none at EK. Since I'm convinced things will not change here for quite some time, I've chosen "the door" the management team kept talking about.

Regards bidding.... I've usually had a bit more success in the past within 24 hours... Thus my comment.

K

[Outatowner]

KapitanLeutnant ------ BRAVO!!!!!!! :D


Post of the Month.

[Panther 88]

congrats, KL. Took management's advice and took them up on their offer.

But you gotta love this.....published roster put me way into productivity, so tried to swap a similar trip over same days and system rejected it due to......productivity. You can't make this stuff up.

[Jefferson Airplane]

Not that any of us need any reminding, but there is something completely dysfunctional about the current rostering 'system.'


About to conclude my Reserve month in which I have done less than 40 hours and ONE simulator support. Efficient use of resources?


Yet the rest of us are out there doing 90+ hours.


Having utilised the 'Roster Search' function for July, there are between 70 and 125 assigned RSV duty on any particular day - and that's B777 Captains only!


Is there any wonder the line rosters are so ridiculous when 100 of us are out of the system every day, no doubt for 'operational flexibility.'

[dashman20]

777 F/O
31 & 5 in Aug on Reserve
A month of mystery awaits!

[SOPS]

Well done Kap, hope your new adventure goes well!!

[lospilotos]

congrats, KL. Took management's advice and took them up on their offer.

But you gotta love this.....published roster put me way into productivity, so tried to swap a similar trip over same days and system rejected it due to......productivity. You can't make this stuff up.

There was something in a recent Flight Ops "weekly" update to this fact. System can´t handle swaps in productivity so you have to request a manual swap, that should be actioned if the combined productivity between the two of you does not increase... At least that´s how I understood it...

[bigdaviet]

777 RHS

14 Days Leave:)

66 Hours.:yuk:


One positive, due to the leave I have been able to swap to make it even more hours but much better timings.

[montencee]

System can´t handle swaps in productivity so you have to request a manual swap, that should be actioned if the combined productivity between the two of you does not increase...

Tried this last month. Following 5 chase-up emails from both parties and 11 days after the initial correctly formatted request was made the swap was reluctantly approved. No cost to the company but several hours of time I will never get back.

[EICAS PILOT RESPONSE]

777
2nd from top bid, been here 10 years. Not even the 2 off days I bid for, far less for the trips I wanted...
72 hrs, as I'm 900hrs for the last 12 Months..
All swaps rejected as I exceed 40hr buffer.

[Old King Coal]

Meanwhile, over at the dark side that is FZ :
LHS in B738
Block Hours = 89:05
Flights = 11
Sim = 1
Duty Hours = 142:55
Standby's = 2
Days Off = 14 (5 of which are in a row)
Based on above, projected take-home pay for month of July = 63,170 Dhs ($17,199 USD / £10,934 GBP / €15,360 EUR)... and jet lag = 0 and number of sleeps in own bed at home = 31 !

[springbok449]

There's a lot to be said for sleeping in your own bed for 31 nights, however I would be interested in the breakdown of your project take home salary for July, just want to make sure that we are comparing apples with apples...

[Kapitanleutnant]

I'd heard the FZ guys make a bundle more in their check than we do at EK but don't get all the extras we do… housing, transport, utilities.

I think if you were to get an apples to apples, it would probably be pretty close to EK.

K

[Maxwell Thrust]

B777 RHS
95HRS
9 days off

I should be grateful as its two more days off than I got last month!

Another month of lost sleep replaced by a sore backside.

:{

[nakbin330]

777 LHS.
88 hours plus SEP and CRM.
10 days off.

Full months work in June and pocketed AED60 000, which includes accom allowance.

[donpizmeov]

How much is your rent OKC?

[Old King Coal]

Don, in answer to your question (and at risk of thread creep), I rent a v.nice 2,100 SqFt, apartment (2 bed + maids) in JLT for 8,250 Dhs per month (plus bills for DEWA + Palm Cooling, presently in summer in the region of 1,400 Dhs per month)... you can do the math. ;)

Monthly break down as follows:

Basic salary: 26,705 Dhs
Transport allowance: 4,000 Dhs
Accommodation allowance: 16,000 Dhs

Flight pay (per block hour) & sim pay (based on time in the sim) = 175 Dhs per hour.

[Payscale]

A380 LHS
91.5 Hours
Mid level bid group

[aussiefarmer]

B777 RHS
86 hrs + RGTS and 2 SIM

I don't have a problem flying 900 hrs a year.
But give me my 42 days leave entitlement. A deal is a deal.

[haveago]

330 LHS 10 days leave and still managed 10 turn arounds and 2 sim supports!
I would much rather rather have 90 hours of ULR thanks!!!! Us 330 drivers get 8 days off a month, no layovers and do about 65-75 hours hard graft every month and will never see overtime!!!

[Fack5]

I suspect the point of this thread was to try to illustrate that rostered hours would decrease to meet the new O/T level however it seems to be the case that many are flying well into O/T now and, presumably, to be paid for it next month.

There goes that theory..... unless of course they're playing the long game, but prescience and foresight aren't qualitise you'd normally associate with the crowd running this gig.

[White Knight]

There you go Don. OKC answered as you expected; basic at FZ as a senior skipper is rubbish and the allowances are kak.

I won't start on the EK lack of pay rise but it's nice to know we are still more comfortably off than the 73 drivers across the airfield...

[GoreTex]

screw the overtime, now I can't swap a SFO for a LAX anymore

[Old King Coal]

White Knight I cannot but concur with your conclusion... but, for an element of quid pro quo, there is something to be said for never being jet lagged (uhm, I did once do 'long haul', and I hated it!), and there's also the fact that at FZ we do get all of our allocated leave, and (for some of us at least) when we take our leave we're able to bid to tag on several days-off beforehand, plus several days-off post leave; indeed I myself have just had 28 days off in a row, albeit that I used only 14 days of leave :) .... so it could be worse, e.g. I could be at EK... but wild horses and all that! ;)

[White Knight]

White Knight I cannot but concur with your conclusion... but, for an element of quid pro quo, there is something to be said for never being jet lagged (uhm, I did once do 'long haul', and I hated it!), and there's also the fact that at FZ we do get all of our allocated leave, and (for some of us at least) when we take our leave we're able to bid to tag on several days-off beforehand, plus several days-off post leave; indeed I myself have just had 28 days off in a row, albeit that I used only 14 days of leave :) .... so it could be worse, e.g. I could be at EK... but wild horses and all that! ;)

Good for you OKC. I have had my full leave very year (except this year - and that's another EK story). As you say; Horses for Courses. I like my four or five flights a month. Some ULR (sleeping like a baby in my bunk) and some not - like my July roster which is five Euro/UK trips... It's what I like☺ You enjoy your 11 turns and 31 nights at home👍👍👍

[GA Button]

Enough with the willy waving you two....

[White Knight]

Fair cop @GA Button😂😂

[Old King Coal]

Oops, sorry GA Button... but if you could please just indulge me with a quick last retort to White Knight... wherein having just actioned a swap, I now have only 10 flights in July (all of which are in the day time), therein giving me 15 days off... 7 of which (in a row) will be spent in my house in Brighton / UK... though, perhaps somewhat ironically, I'll probably use EK to get there & back (firm seat of course, 'coz I gave up pissing about with SBY travel, especially on EK, years ago!). ;)

[White Knight]

Oops, sorry GA Button... but if you could please just indulge me with a quick last retort to White Knight... wherein having just actioned a swap, I now have only 10 flights in July (all of which are in the day time), therein giving me 15 days off... 7 of which (in a row) will be spent in my house in Brighton / UK... though, perhaps somewhat ironically, I'll probably use EK to get there & back (firm seat of course, 'coz I gave up pissing about with SBY travel, especially on EK, years ago!). ;)

If you'll indulge me too after OKC's last effort.. I may well be flying you to Blighty on your trip 'home' as I have mainly morning UK/Euro flights next month! I struggle with an average of four trips ex DXB per month so do come and say hello OKC; I need a bit of moral-support😂😂

[Old King Coal]

WN, most probably one of the flights to LGW on the 10th July and looking forward to it...and if you're free & available and in the neighbourhood (within that week) I'll treat you (and your team, and I do recall that, on the 'bigger aeroplanes', it can be much akin to herding cats trying to assemble them all for an evening out) to dinner in Brighton ! ;)

[GMC1500]

84 hours. top bid month. got everything I bid for.

[harry the cod]

WK

4 European flights a month would yeald around 60 hours a month. Surely you 'super' guys are working a little harder than that? Heard one of the night Delhi will be going 380 when the other suitable gate opens (currently occupied by Lufthansa's 380. Another Mumbai and a few JED's to come as well as CGK and possibly MNL. Your two class people haulers are too good an opportunity to miss on those high Y class sectors. All rumour of course. :rolleyes:

As for 'sleeping like a baby' on ULRs, strange how most of the ASR's refer to a similar theme, only worded differently. " Couldn't sleep because of a screaming baby", and all on the 380 it seems. Perhaps you need to pass on a few tips to you insomniac colleagues on the next CRM class!

Not trying to willy wave....mine's far to small and withered to even contemplate such a charade. I know yours is bigger, I see that every time I go to work!

Toodle pip, as someone used to often post many years ago.

Harry

[whossorrynow]

Old King Coal - LHS FZ.

Monthly break down as follows:

Basic salary: 26,705 Dhs
Transport allowance: 4,000 Dhs
Accommodation allowance: 16,000 Dhs

Flight pay (per block hour) & sim pay (based on time in the sim) = 175 Dhs per hour.

OKC gets about AED63,000 for 88 hours (flight pay AED15,400) and apparently 15 days off in July (from another OKC post).


nakbin330 - LHS EK

777 LHS.
88 hours plus SEP and CRM.
10 days off.

Full months work in June and pocketed AED60 000, which includes accom allowance.


White Knight - bloke in pub to avoid.

There you go Don. OKC answered as you expected; basic at FZ as a senior skipper is rubbish and the allowances are kak.

Really.

[XTurb]

RHS 380. 90.1 hours. 13 days off. Top bid group: All I asked for was an SFO: No joy :(

[springbok449]

I am with AussieFarmer on this one, no objection to working hard but PLEASE give me my 42 days leave every year, not a bank of over 70 days!

Thanks for the breakdown in salary OKC, again a lot to be said about having your full leave allocated every year.

Oh and 7 days off in a row to allow one to go back home without using any leave, sounds like a dream to me, I would be more than happy to miss out on layovers for that!

[Snake man]

At the risk of making a contribution of absolutely NO value whatsoever, I would like to post:

777 LHS

I'm very happy with my July roster....because it's my LAST roster!

[Fack5]

Snake man I beg to differ; your post was of definite value. "Enjoy" your last month and best regards for the future when you escape.

Harry, great post and very succinct. As you said justly re-worded it, the babies arranged around the CRC is too regular a safety report theme to take seriously a silly claim about sleeping like that. The lady doth protest too much, me thinks. Tootle pip.

[sluggums]

Enjoy Snake Man... Very envious.