Age 65 and flyibg on NCC, M or VP

[Son of a Beech]

Hi.

Im wondering if anbody knows if there is going to be any limit for flying a midsize jet over the age of 65 with EASA NCC. And what are the rules for M and VP registered aircraft

Cheers,

SOAB

[His dudeness]

if there is going to be any limit for flying a midsize jet over the age of 65 with EASA NCC


For the time being I not aware of anything in there.

However, the suckers at Brussels or Cologne will certainly come up with some **** to stir to fukc up plans made by you and me. As usual... :yuk:

[Propellerpilot]

As far as any validations go, they are always dependant or limited at least to the priviledges endorsed by the original license they where issued on - so I guess in your case EASA FCL would apply and if you loose those priviledges, a validation based on that would automatically be void.

[Son of a Beech]

Let's keep our fingers crossed EASA doesn't change the rules:)

[His dudeness]

Let's keep our fingers crossed EASA doesn't change the rules

Good luck with that one. I´ve got 18 years to official pension age (67) here in Germany and if I look back the onto the changes we have had here in the last 18 years, a nagging doubt enters my mind.

I´ll start playing the state lottery. The odds of winning are about the same than reaching pension age healthy enough to be a pilot... (given the fact that they will have to move the pension age further out and we get so many refugees here that they already talk about a special tax for this issue - meaning they bleed the States bugdet to death...) Add Greece and the financal crisis and I´m pretty sure my pension will be used to "rescue" certain rich fukcs anyhow...

So why don´t whistle, dance and sing! Always look on the bright side of live...

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Son of a Beech]

Maybe we should start our own retirement airline somewhere warm where the rules are in our favor:ok:

[390cruise]

The Rules? (EASA)
My understanding is no Public Transport flying after your Sixty Fifth birthday.
However I understand you can fly the same type of aircraft on a private operation to any age?
Since M reg is private only perhaps no age restrictions there??
390

[Son of a Beech]

The point is that the new EASA NCC rules are for making the pig airplane private ops more like commercial ops. Was just wondering how the age question was coming into this, since here they start mixing private and commercial ops rules.

[Pace]

Remember that even the all powerful EASA are restricted by existing EU law. Employment laws, discrimination laws, etc.

It is only when someone stands up to them that things change. That usually means the courts of human rights.

with the pension age changing and peoples rights to work longer changing, it is hard for EASA to buck those existing rights without hard evidence that a pilot cannot continue to work on medical reasons if that pilot passes the EASA medicals.

So far from a pilots ability to work being pushed to a younger age I am sure the opposite will be true and it will be extended probably to 70 in years to come.
but that will only happen when some one says NO to EASA and is prepared to be seen to see it through the EU courts

Pace

[NuName]

Its academic for me, can't even find a position that will accept over 65.:uhoh:

[dallas]

There is nothing specifically mentioned in Part-NCC at this stage, but as the aim is to improve overall safety in the skies by raising standards to closer to commercial standards, it would seem reasonable to assume at some point an age limit will be introduced. Part-FCL currently says:

FCL.065 Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport
(a) Age 60-64. Aeroplanes and helicopters. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 60 years shall not
act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in commercial air transport except:
(1) as a member of a multi-pilot crew; and
(2) provided that such a holder is the only pilot in the flight crew who has attained the age of 60 years.
(b) Age 65. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 65 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft
engaged in commercial air transport.

[clunckdriver]

In the mean time George Neal, retired chief test pilot at DH Canada, still flies at 96 years , {and does so very well} and for myself I seem to be doing OK flying both my toys and our corporate aircraft at 77 , the EU needs to wake up to the fact that old age isnt what it once was and understand that if one can hold a valid medical they should simply butt out of our lives and stop micro managing the size of tomatoes and other such stupidity!

[PURPLE PITOT]

Wishful thinking Clunk. We have over 600 regulations pertaining to the sale of cabbages!:ugh:

[Son of a Beech]

Clunck.

It is my hope that I can do the same thing. I'm just cheching to see how far they gotten on ruining my plans.

[clunckdriver]

Well, I gues you cant be too carefull with cabbages, you never know what effect too many cabbage rolls might have in a crowded flight deck as the F/Os digestive juices get to work! I fear that those making the bloody silly rules these days in aviation are the same ones who didnt make the grade in the real world, in the mean time they sanction such things as the "Multi Crew Lic" which turns out Captains who cant land a 777 on a clear day with the wind right down the pipe, or F/Os who crash an aircraft after a simple loss of airspeed, { killing all on board, and yes, I flew the Bus} even when there is still enough info in front of him to fly without any real problem or great skill required. Given the choice between sitting behind one of these clowns and being in the back of George Neals Chipmunk inverted at low level, I would take the latter any day, even if his " blood pump "has been doing its job for 96 years!

[Pace]

EASA can pass a regulation that all pilots must wear pink knickers with frills for all I care they still have to operate with existing EU employment , discrimination and human right laws.

Unless they can show that pilots who pass medicals over the age of 60 are falling out of the skies and are a danger then those people have equal employment rights to anyone else.

Sadly someone has to challenge them or at least scare them enough so that they back down as they have with third country licences which have been postponed twice as some of that contravenes employment laws.

Pace

[Don Coyote]

Dallas,

There has been a recent change to FCL.065, namely:

Annex I to Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011 is amended as follows:

(1) FCL.065 is replaced by the following:
‘FCL.065Curtailment of privileges of licence holders aged 60 years or more in commercial air transport

(a) Age 60-64. Aeroplanes and helicopters. The holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 60 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in commercial air transport except as a member of a multi-pilot crew.

(b) Age 65. Except in the case of a holder of a balloon or sailplane pilot licence, the holder of a pilot licence who has attained the age of 65 years shall not act as a pilot of an aircraft engaged in commercial air transport.

(c) Age 70. The holder of a balloon or sailplane pilot licence who has attained the age of 70 years shall not act as a pilot of a balloon or a sailplane engaged in commercial air transport.’

The restrictions on pilots with an OML remains the same.

[clunckdriver]

Some years ago I was involved in "Loss of Lic Insurance" costing, I dont remember the exact details but I think the highest rate of medical failure and sudden mortality was between mid thirties and fifty years of age ,at the time there were many Canadian pilots flying "Non Sked" who were sixty five plus, but sked pilots were grounded at sixty, maybe these figures are still available and might prove usefull if one wishes to fight these regulations.

[PURPLE PITOT]

There you go again trying to apply common sense to the EU:ugh:

[Pace]

Some years ago I was involved in "Loss of Lic Insurance" costing, I dont remember the exact details but I think the highest rate of medical failure and sudden mortality was between mid thirties and fifty years of age ,at the time there were many Canadian pilots flying "Non Sked" who were sixty five plus, but sked pilots were grounded at sixty, maybe these figures are still available and might prove usefull if one wishes to fight these regulations.

The heart attack rates are highest between 50 and 60 then tail off but there is no evidence based reason to EASA regulations too much perceived threat rather than demonstrated threat protection.

They will do as they wish unless someone says no and challenges them in the EU courts and that is the problem.
As with 3rd country licences that works and its not the EU courts but a serious threat of EU courts which will often suffice and remember it is the commission not EASA who decide! EASA are rule makers not instigators

Pace

[Beaver100]

S

The heart attack rates are highest between 50 and 60 then tail off but there is no evidence based reason to EASA regulations too much perceived threat rather than demonstrated threat protection.

They will do as they wish unless someone says no and challenges them in the EU courts and that is the problem.
As with 3rd country licences that works and its not the EU courts but a serious threat of EU courts which will often suffice and remember it is the commission not EASA who decide! EASA are rule makers not instigators

Pace

Third country licence is not an issue for flying in Europe. There would be an awful lot of (successful) lawsuits otherwise. So, EASA need to leave well alone.

[Beaver100]

S

The heart attack rates are highest between 50 and 60 then tail off but there is no evidence based reason to EASA regulations too much perceived threat rather than demonstrated threat protection.

They will do as they wish unless someone says no and challenges them in the EU courts and that is the problem.
As with 3rd country licences that works and its not the EU courts but a serious threat of EU courts which will often suffice and remember it is the commission not EASA who decide! EASA are rule makers not instigators

Pace

And for those EASA lunatics that think that 'Operator location' has anything remotely to do with pilot licensing then I would say grow up and be aware that a great many professional pilots will be sticking it to you in the European Courts should you feel the need to proceed with your crappy little game

[clunckdriver]

Sorry Purple Pitot, but Im banking on the Greeks to destroy the EU so everyone one can go back to beings Brits, French ect, but try not to get into another punch up with you know who, it just makes things so messy!

[PURPLE PITOT]

Oddly enough we are waiting for that too, because these buggers aren't going to let us have a referendum anytime soon!

[HyFlyer]

The rarest living creature on Earth....

..a human who likes the EU...and thinks EASA is doing a good job.

(Note: I don't count bureaucrats as humans...more as a type of virus that infects us.)

[rightbank]

Sadly someone has to challenge them

ISTR a few years ago there was a single crew helicopter pilot who was grounded at age 60 who tried that through the courts. I'm not aware that he got anywhere though. Perhaps someone here knows the details.

[clunckdriver]

Had a "Bull Sesion" at a local airport yesterday, there were seven pilots over sixty five present, all were still flying both full and part time, lots of youngsters as well ,most of whoom want to keep going. With our low birth rate it just makes good buisines sense to keep flying beyond sixty, I myself, am about ready to "pull the pin" so as to spend more time with our toys { very old flying machines}and grand kids, but still enjoy going to work.