MH370

[sunnySA]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3108809/Hopes-dashed-hunt-missing-MH370-officials-refuse-extend-search-zone-no-new-credible-leads.html

Hopes dashed in hunt for missing MH370 after officials refuse to extend search zone

DailyMail

[TWT]

Not surprising.With no firm evidence so far,there can't be a case to keep spending money on the search.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

A single sentence has been added in the weekly updates here:

MH370 Operational Search Update?<br>3 June 2015 (http://www.jacc.gov.au/families/operational_reports/opsearch-update-20150603.aspx)

Operational Update (http://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370-pages/updates/operational-update.aspx)

"In the absence of credible new information that leads to the identification of a specific location of the aircraft, Governments have agreed that there will be no further expansion of the search area."

The latest update says that over 83% of the primary area has been searched so far. At this rate, it may take a year or more to complete search of the 60,000 sq km that was recently added.

So it's not like they suddenly quit, which is the implication in some media.

A more rational discussion:

Australia defines limits of search for MH370 - 6/3/2015 - Flight Global (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/australia-defines-limits-of-search-for-mh370-413035/)

And the rebuttal of criticisms of Fugro mentioned in that article:

Correcting the record (http://www.atsb.gov.au/newsroom/correcting-the-record.aspx)

[susier]

Phys.org has an article about a new theory that the plane hit vertically, thus creating very little debris.


'The fluid dynamic simulations indicate, for a vertical water entry of the plane, that there would be no large bending moment, which is what happens when an external force, or moment, is applied to a structural element (such as a plane), which then causes the fuselage to buckle and break up. As the vertical water-entry is the smoothest with only small bending moment in contrast with other angles of entry, the aircraft is less likely to experience "global failure," or break up on entry near the ocean surface, which would explain the lack of debris or oil near the presumed crash site.'

Read more at: Mathematician theorizes what happened to MH370 (http://phys.org/news/2015-06-mathematician-theorizes-mh370.html#jCp)


Any thoughts?

[Droste]

Not surprising.With no firm evidence so far,there can't be a case to keep spending money on the search.
TWT is right.

To further add on, 1Malaysia Development Berhad "lost" RM41.8bil! Malaysia Government has no money. Malaysia Government is not going to be stupid paying for endless search and rescue (S-&-R).

Malaysia Government rather save the huge S-&-R cost to compensate the family member to close the case as soon as possible. Compensating family members of 239 people onboard is so much cheaper than endless super + costly S-&-R operating cost.

Does it make sense?

[silverhawk]

That would be the very same Malaysian government that is currently blaming naked tourists for 'upsetting the gods' and causing an earthquake.

The same Malaysian government that has lied from day one about MH370 events.

[onetrack]

The mathematician has failed to explain precisely, what would make MH370 dive vertically into the ocean. A ditching after fuel exhaustion would not result in a perfectly vertical dive.
I guess he's following the general belief amongst many people that the aircraft was still under full pilot control until the very end - a scenario I personally still find, difficult to believe.
He is also confusing water response with air response. Water doesn't part like air when you hit it at high speed - it's not much different to concrete in its response when you hit it at high speed.
An aircraft in a high speed vertical dive wouldn't penetrate the water cleanly, it would explode into multiple sections and fragments.
He's admitted as much, by stating the wings would tear off completely at impact with the water.
There is only one major reason the aircraft hasn't been found, and that no single item of wreckage has ever been sighted - and that is, the aircraft went further South than the best estimation, and it is outside the current search area limits - and the wreckage got caught up in the Antarctic Circumpolar Current.
The ACC is a slow-moving current that rarely gives up flotsam and jetsam to any inhabited region with sizeable population, that would eventually find any MH370 wreckage.
Perhaps one day, a member of some Antarctic exploration group will find something from MH370.

[Tarq57]

Phys.org has an article about a new theory that the plane hit vertically, thus creating very little debris.


'The fluid dynamic simulations indicate, for a vertical water entry of the plane, that there would be no large bending moment, which is what happens when an external force, or moment, is applied to a structural element (such as a plane), which then causes the fuselage to buckle and break up. As the vertical water-entry is the smoothest with only small bending moment in contrast with other angles of entry, the aircraft is less likely to experience "global failure," or break up on entry near the ocean surface, which would explain the lack of debris or oil near the presumed crash site.'

Read more at: Mathematician theorizes what happened to MH370 (http://phys.org/news/2015-06-mathematician-theorizes-mh370.html#jCp)


Any thoughts?The "researcher" has obviously never bothered to look at the nature of debris fields of aircraft involved in high-energy collisions.
United 93, and the Silkair impacts would have given them a bit of an idea.

[BlankBox]

watch?v=qP20D5vQsmM

...must've watched too many of these :hmm:

[Hogger60]

Typical academic doing his perfect scenario and getting noticed because it is about MH370. His analysis is BS. The aircraft would tear itself apart in a 90 degree dive well before it hit the water. It would never reach the ocean whole, let alone disappear as it plunges in. I agree with "onetrack". I think it went further to the south and will likely never be found. Big, deep ocean with a wicked muddy bottom. Not really conducive to finding wreckage at a depth of 4500m+. Truly this is finding the proverbial needle in a haystack.

[susier]

Well, it sounded unlikely but I am glad to have that confirmed. Thank you for your thoughts. If only there were some more promising progress.

[onetrack]

As every month goes by, the chances of finding MH370 become less and less. Even the search authority appears to be losing enthusiasm. Fugro have some excellent equipment, and no doubt the operators skills have been honed with many months of use of the search equipment.
However, Fugro have found many sunken shipping containers, and the remains of a wooden shipwreck which appears to be from at least a couple of centuries ago.
What they haven't found is the wreckage of MH370 - many sections of which would still be considerably larger than a shipping container or an old wooden shipwreck.
This simply points to the fact that the wreckage of MH370 is not where they are looking.
An expansion of the search area is the only way the wreckage of MH370 is going to be found - but I doubt whether Malaysia or the Australian Govt has the desire (or the funds) to keep on searching an enlarged search zone, once the end of the current agreement, and the allocated expenditure level, is reached.