EK: how many hours will you fly in June ?

[Desdihold]

June flying hours and days off:

Please list the following so we can get the big picture, please just the facts ...no opinions.

Aircraft.....
Seat.......
Total hours for the month..........
If leave then how many days.....
How many days off.......

[wizard1]

Ac 380
Lhs
88
No leave
15

QUOTE=Desdihold;8997546]June flying hours and days off:

Please list the following so we can get the big picture, please just the facts ...no opinions.

Aircraft.....
Seat.......
Total hours for the month..........
If leave then how many days.....
How many days off.......[/QUOTE]

[mini cooper]

777
LHS
83 + Ground school and PPC sim x 2
No leave
9

[skyvan]

777
LHS
12 days off
75 hours plus 1 day groundschool and 2 days in the sim

Unable to swap flights as maxed out hours for the preceding 12 months.
Last 3 months have been at 88-92 each month.

[nakbin330]

777
LHS
90
No leave
12

I haven't had this many days off in quite a while.

[go46ball]

777
RHS
90
RGTS + PPC 2 Days
No Leave
9 Days off

[Kernow 101]

777
RHS
87
No Leave
10 Days


First time below 90 for a looong while!

[fatbus]

380
LHS
86
No leave
15

[haveago]

330
LHS
8 days off
70 hours 15 Turns(7 night) no layovers
no leave

[The Zohan]

380
LHS
88
No leave
15 + NPA on the 30th

[Monarch Man]

777
LHS
87
No leave, 3rd summer in a row
9 days off
Ground school + sim

[gardenshed]

A380
LHS
89:00 Hrs
1 No Planned Assignment
No Leave
13 Days off

[brakepressure]

B777
LHS
75
8 AL
7 Off

[puff m'call]

777
LHS
38hrs 35 mins
leave 18th-8july
6 off days
One handling sim

[BLOGGSON]

777
LHS
90 Hrs
No leave
8 days off

[Old King Coal]

Meanwhile, over on the dark side that is FZ:

B737-800
LHS
52:10 Block Hours
77:05 Duty Hours
7 Flights (only 1 of which is at night)
1 Standby
10 days leave
10 days off

[point8four]

A380
LHS
72 Hrs
13 Days off
6 Days leave - into July (first in 16 mths)

[flying willy]

777
RHS
84hrs
9 days off
No leave

[LongRangeNav]

777
LHS
50 Hrs
11 leave + 4 Days off

[145qrh]

380
LHS
88 hrs
13 days off

[serf]

777
10b
7.5 approx
14 days

[JammedStab]

Different airline

107 hrs(including travel from home to base) in 21 days

10 days off to start the month plus a few once at work

Looks like you guys have it good

[Praise Jebus]

Except we live at our base and you at your home....

[zamil]

B777
LHS
87:45 + CRM and SEP
No leave
8 Days off

[Mr Boombastick]

Looking at this and all other threads re EK with with great interest as considering applying....

Ryr 737 - UK base
RHS
13 days flying
1 standby
1 safety day

83 hr flying which is about 110 hrs duty - I'll only get paid for the 83 hrs and paid in euros which has taken a huge hit against sterling in the last year or so - even more so now with the possibility of the UK leaving the EU.

13 days off

Out of interest, guys who are having between 8 and 10 days off a month how many times would you sleep in your own bed in that month?

Thanks

[CamelRustler]

A330
LHS
82 hours
1 ground duty
9 days off




(PS For Boom. Exactly half my flights took place between 2200-0800. I sleep in my own bed everyday except one. Duty time is about 7 hours more than you. Usually 10 hours spent in bed everyday. Hint. Ask for 330 when you come.)

[The.Humble.Guy]

A380 RHS

75 block
12 days off
RTGS
2 SIMS (PPC)
1 Handling Sim

[SOPS]

And note Camel said he sleeps in his bed every DAY.

[L1011]

A380
LHS
Credit 28.....but Block 92
RTGS and two night simulators sessions for PPC.
18 days leave
3 days off.......

That's the least block I have done this year.

next leave is 5 (forced) days in Feb 2016. Exactly 30 days of vacation for FY. The other 12 off in limbo.

Jim's untimely demise is a warning to us all.

[Geebz]

Wow! No offense but how can you guys stand to work in such an environment? 8-11 days off with all the ULH flying you do? I'd burn out after 90 days.

Is it all about the equipment you're flying?

To me this job is FIRST about schedule, then about pay, last about equipment.

I fly for a US legacy carrier. Our WB pilots average 19-20 days off WITHOUT any leave added. Senior NB pilots can do the same. Min days off is 12-13, most get 15-16 days off though.

I'm a NB captain and bid reserve (standby) yet I rarely get called up so I average 20+ days off if you include being on-call and not getting pulled out for a flight. When I get to my block off days it's always 12 days off in a row in a 30 day month, 13 in a 31-day month. Pay is usually credited out at 82-89 hrs in the above scenario.

For April/ May I took 60 days off by using 3 weeks vacation, my normal days off and a couple of strategic sick calls. I did fly one turn trip in the middle of all that just to avoid having to do a line check for when I came back from my block off.

You guys really need to wake up and demand more from your management. You're getting flogged with that kind of schedule. Damn! No wonder the upgrades are so quick at EK.

I'm curious, with all that work, what kind of take home pay in USD do your pilots typically average in a given month?

[Alconguin Crusader]

You can't compare legacy carriers to Emirates. Just because we fly the same equipment they are two different animals.
As a captain here I make about $1500 less a month than a widebody FO at a legacy. To qualify that I get a (very small) house and some of that money is tax free.
But as I said above there really is no comparison between the two airlines. Work rules, days worked, hours worked, time of day worked, treatment, attitude and salary are all better back home.
All of this for take home of about $12,200. If you equate that to an hourly rate I make what a 737 FO makes per hour back home. Can you see why the Americans stopped coming to the Middle East?

[Dropp the Pilot]

Before someone starts a registered charity for the ritually abused American pilots who labour unnoticed and unloved at Emirates, please do recall that by coming here they can save about $30,000 of tax by being outside the USA. Unless one has a wish to die horribly on a dusty freeway, run down and left to expire by some 18 year old thug, this is clearly not worth leaving home for.

I, on the other hand, dodge about $128,000 of home-country tax by being here and for that premium I am willing to dodge or ignore most of downsides.

The USA is one of the very few countries which taxes on citizenship, making little reduction in the tax bill in light of one's residency. It entirely changes the conversation. Rather than singing "should I stay or should I go", Americans at EK should be belting out "I'm so glad I'm living in the USA".

Appropriately then, not The Clash but emphatically Chuck Berry.

[Alconguin Crusader]

Yes you can save money on your taxes by living overseas 335 days a year (or by having a resident visa) but you still have to pay taxes in the U.S. If you include everything you will probably have a bill of about $30,000 to $45,000 depending on your write offs.
So as I said before when you include everything it is better at a U.S. Legacy.

[fatbus]

Did not take long for this thread to become EK vs US. Sad group of pilots at EK

[donpizmeov]

Have to be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush fattie. I know quite a few North American fellas who are happyish with their lot and not contemplating returning due to age, or just being sick of being furloughed etc.

Just like any group, some fit in and make the most of it, and some can't. Hard to know how that is going to work until you try it I suppose.

[fatbus]

Don I agree, but this thread was about June rosters.

[donpizmeov]

Fair cop gov.

[Alconguin Crusader]

Yep your point is noted Fat. Can you show me a thread where there isn't thread creep?
I guess we can compare June rosters at Emirates vs June rosters at the legacies. That's how the drift started w Geebz comparing his roster to ours.

[uba737]

777
LHS
90 hours
9 days off
Bottom Bid

[TangoUniform]

For some it's not only about the hours, but rather the number of days worked (some not credited) and the hours. Cubicle dwellers complain they only have eight days off a month, but as it has been said before....visa renewal-during working hours, UAE id renewal-during working hours, visit to one's manager-during office hours, sorting out HR issues-during working hours, dental or medical hours-sorted during office hours, etc, etc, etc. so how often do we as flight crew members do "work related" issues on our off days. But all this is old news.

[777747]

72:40 hrs
2 Recurrent Sims (6 hrs each = 12 hrs not paid)
72:40 +12 = 84:40
4 vac days (used to be worth 3 hrs? Just guessing average, that perk was buried years ago.. so add another 12 hrs)
84:40 +12 = 96:40
I only bid days off b4 my vacation and was awarded them only to have an India flight manually inserted in the middle.
So typical EK style: no credit for sim or Vac. And days off b4 vac always eroded manually.
Not paid OT at 78 hrs as agreed in joining contract.
Paid for 72:40 earned 96:40, lost 18:20 OT this month.

Nothing new in the EK posts what I'm saying.. this has been the normal practice of the Co for years now. Leaving.
Just shedding light. ..

[Alloyboobtube]

Has anyone approached management about a job share agreement where 2 persons could share 1 roster and the same villa and 3 weeks leave each per year ,and work month on month off and commute home for the month off.
Would make life easier for the older folk at 90 hrs a month.

[SOPS]

Yes the above idea has been suggested, and flatly refused by management.

[fliion]

777747

If you are doing recurrent sim you forgot to add the 8 hrs of RGTS.

Essentially coming in for the three days of PPC is working on days off for free.

Preposterous in light of global standards.

I believe the credit for Vacay days used to be 2.5hrs - open to correction.

When you see what Delta is about to give its guys on the new TA - the idea of being completely shafted this year (again) takes on a whole new dimension.

f.

[TangoUniform]

fliion, that is exactly right, your statement...."global standards". The product EK puts out is beyond global standards, the aircraft for the most part are above global standards, maintence, IMHO, is above global standards and the service and c.c. overall is above global standards (when compared to many legacy carriers). BUT their terms and conditions and overall treatment of staff is well below global standards. If "they" want to compare the airline to majors around the world, then they fall way short of being a leader with regard to our pay and overall working conditions.

Gulf Air ver. 2.0. Has been said before. They really don't get it. Their myopic view of our pay, hours, etc. is unbelievable.

[dreamer88]

Different airline
B787
RHS
73 hrs
11 days off and 2 days rest
2 classes:avsec and DGR
Wow!you guys are working really hard

[Kapitanleutnant]

Dreamer....

You're just not productive enough! At this airline, you're considered stealing from the company by only working your 73 per month.

Thus the exodus at EK...

K

[Kapitanleutnant]

Dreamer....

You're just not productive enough! :-)
At this airline, you're considered stealing from the company by only working your 73 per month.

Thus the exodus at EK...

K

[pfm08]

777
RHS
92 hrs
12 days off.
No sub 90 apart from leave month in a year. 10 days leave a few months ago and did 58 hrs that month.
The door is open and this horse is bolting just as soon as I obtain and pass an interview elsewhere.

[thrustidle74]

777
LHS
Very close to 60hrs
15 days leave
3 days off

I deserve a Najm!

[Mr Angry from Purley]

Yorkshire

777 RHS
89 rostered block
9 days off (of which 3 are single days off)
No leave

I thought people from there were HARD, you either need 1 less day off or some gravy :\

[BobDole]

65 block
PPC
8 off

Turn around fleet with an odd layover occasionally.... :ugh:

[worldaccording2]

Ex 777 EK

Now RHS 767

18 hrs block- 4 flights
15 days off
15 days on based at home !

[Laker]

777
LHS
88 Hours Flying
7 Days of Leave
8 days OFF
ULR pairing immediately following 7 days of leave--nearly unswappable

[natops]

81hrs block
4 days leave
6 days off
Handling sim

[StallStrip]

777
RHS
66 Block Hrs
10 days Leave
7 Days Off

(Every pairing has 1 or more long night flights! :ugh:)

[Skyjob]

738
LHS
86 Block
No leave
15 days off, 1 SBY

[foswillruletheworld]

Low Cost Airline Company in Turkey
B737NG RHS
88 hours of flight 165 hours duty time excluding deadheads.
9 days off and 6 of them are starting at 02:00am local time and after the off day flying starts at 04:00 local time. So an off day doesn't include any rest of the previous flight.
45 legs excluding deadheads.

[Desdihold]

This thread was started as away of tracking the number of hours flown by Ek pilots and only Ek pilots.
Other airlines are happy to start their own thread on the same topic.

( it is interesting to see where the industry is heading though and thank you for your well intentioned contribution to this particular thread )

[Jahfly]

South Europe National Carrier
A320
LHS
59 Block
No leave
11 days off,1 day stby

[shorty2rj]

Wow just shaking my head at the rosters you guys are fed. No freaking way could I last a few years much less a career doing them esp when you include ULH. If the terms are headed that way globally, I'll find something else to do. Seen too many guys croke 1-2 years after retirement to give my body to this profession.

[White Knight]

Back to EK hours...

A380
LHS
68 Block
8 days Leave
12 XX days

[Kerosene]

Sounds to me like you guys are working in a coalmine. Long hours, shifts, miserable living conditions, work induced diseases and low life-expectancy.

But then, what qualifications to speak of you got, what sort of responsibilities come with your jobs anyway? :ugh:

[Maxwell Thrust]

RHS
777
88 Block hrs
2 days AL
7 days OFF
Second bottom bid

All pairings during the night heading East and South, total sleep lost in June...10 nights
Time to check out...

[SOPS]

How can you have two days AL? That is nothing but useless, they are using it for days off.

Time to stoke the fire again...the dogs are getting cold....

[BigGeordie]

The 2 days leave will be at the start or end of the month with the balance in a different month. Leave is a block of at least four days, which is still pretty useless but there you go.

[Wingman82]

777
RHS
91h (in 25days)
Got my leave but later in summer

[halas]

777
LHS
55hrs Block
5 off days (for ULR)
13 days vacation
Obligatory HS before leave :hmm:

halas