question about Cessna 210

[bonzaii]

Hi All!

im studying up for Cessna 210N

can anyone tell me if most of the speeds and details are the same over the variants?

currently have a 210M poh - and cannot seem to locate a 210N
i know most details will be similar, can anyone confirm that? or know where I might find an N POH?

Cheers Guys

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Huge changes over the range of models, and I'm talking around 20 kts change in Va speeds from one to the next. Your best comparison may be to search the FAA TCDS (Type Certificate Data Sheet) for the type. It will give a comparison of many of the basic certification speeds, weights, limitations, etc... Across the model. (Google time! FAA TCDS list:ok:)

[Stationair8]

Cessna C210N, came out of the factory without main gear doors so had higher gear extension speed.

Cessna C210M, had main gears doors(unless had the door mod) and had a lower gear extension speed.

There was a website for a company in the USA(florida) that run a fleet of C210s on freight, which included a lot of information on variations of each type as well as a handling notes, ground school notes etc.

[bonzaii]

MakeItHappenCaptain (http://www.pprune.org/members/123320-makeithappencaptain) thats brilliant, cheers man, never even heard of that before , thanks :D

[Duck Pilot]

I recon the 210 with the MLG doors still looks better than a 210 without the doors, regardless of the weight and performance penalties - cleaner airframe. IMHO if they are maintained correctly there shouldn't be any problems, and if you are performance limited with the MLG doors compared to no doors you should be operating a different aircraft with higher performance.

[aileron_69]

The L and M are all pretty much the same speeds wise. The N has much higher flap and gear speeds. 140 for the L and M and 165 for the N I think. Its usually written next to the gear and flap handles anyway. If in doubt, use 140, then you shouldnt break too much.

[Rod Con]

Flying the Cessna 210 by Chuck McGill

[Left 270]

Also, it very hard to find a TRUE X model and more likely that you will find a Lower model version2.0 model that has Lower model speeds for most but might have the higher model gear speed in example. A true N model would have different door handles but many without are placarded as a N. Also allot more different between the models than speeds ie systems and I sugest a good read through all 3 POH's with some concentration on fuel and hydraulic systems.

[NIK320]

M to N differences
Just about every speed is different, by all of 1kt in some cases.
Aft baggage weight limit goes up to 90kg
Hydraulic system / Undercarriage changes. N has no up locks, Nose door is mech actuated not hydr. Loss of main doors.
That's about all I can think of offhand

While on the topic, does anyone know what the structural change is that caused the flap speed increase?

[edsbar]

Careful 1979 N models (s/n 21062955 - 21063640) did not have the 160 knot 10 degree flap speed, 1980 models had the increase (s/n 21063641 and on).
From s/n 21063641 the differences are flap nose ribs, flap actuator and some minor change in the preselect bracket. New design flap position indicator also fitted.

Lefty 1979 210N's had the oldstyle door handles and the 1980 and on had the T handles.

Pretty sure that the 79 N also had a lower gear extension speed.

Later N models (82+) had different fuel systems, undercarriage lights etc.

Aircraft are different between years within the same model so you need the correct POH / Info manual for the year not model.

[megan]

TCDS here will give you all the limiting speeds for the different models.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/f295fc350feaa5238625791000678b82/$FILE/3A21%20Rev%2048.pdf

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Give pilot a fish...
Teach a pilot to fish...:rolleyes:

[megan]

An enviable aim, but not everyone is gifted with your extraordinary skills, for a million and one reasons.

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Google time! FAA TCDS list

Really? Was it that hard to work out?

"Extrodinary" skills are learned, not spoon fed. Maybe giving people a nudge in the general direction will allow them to absorb some of the other information while they find their way to the answer. At least Bonzaii seems to have appreciated the concept.

[megan]

I use the FAA site a great deal, and information can be extremely difficult to find at times, due the search engine not recognising terms. The TCDS at times will not recognise commonly used aircraft designations for example. I think the ATSB use the same search engine, which is downright useless in recognising aircraft designations at times.