Ethiopean infos.

[LimaVictor]

Does anyone have any infos about the ethiopean offer ?
It sounds pretty good, 20/10 working pattern, confirmed tickets to/from home and 175K a year.
Any insider infos and tips would be highly appreciated.

[galwaypilot]

175k per annum? Is that in some African currency?!!:-P

[Ansett737]

Check archives, several threads about them!

[cpnkirk59]

It's not $175k. That includes housing allowance (for use in Addis), per diem, etc. The actual base pay is much less.

A number of pilots at my current employer have left, for Ethiopian. Essentially, I have received the same info, you mentioned. No one want to say how much they are making currently ( for base pay). Ethiopian is supposedly paying salary during training - not for sure. Also, they give you a residency card - if you are paying US taxes, this allows you to defer taxes on the first $97,000 (approx).

The one captain started on the B777 and was recently x-trained on the B787. Another pilot, "supposedly" is being hired directly into the 787.

Housing allowance in the compensation, will allow you and a few other pilots to rent a house and maid service. It doesn't cover all the food costs (you don't receive per diem in Addis - only on your trips). There are many good places to eat in Addis Ababa - some western, some ethnic. But, they charge pretty close to Western prices; so, the Expat crews will bring a suitcase of food with them.

[Trimaranus]

Sorry guys, lots of wrong info here.
the salary depends on the fleet you are assigned. the lowest is on 737, the highest on 777.
the contract is 20/10 with the option of 25/12 and is signed for 1 to 3 years renewable.
perdiem are paid for the all 20 days, whether you are in addis or flying. It s always 60 usd a day for a total of 1200 usd.
Housing allowance is paid in ETH BIR and is the equivalent of 1250 usd.
House rent in Addis abeba (expecially in Bole, the airport area) is crazy. and if you don't share a house with someone you definitely add some money from your own pocket.
At the moment only ethiopian crew have a x-qualification on 777/787 but this will be probably done with expats as well in the future, may be with a training bond. (no expats on 787 at the moment)
on 777 the annual salary excluding perdiem is 118.800 usd
on 737 is 85800 usd
Vacation is 14 days/year so you can make max 24 days in a row.
All these information are not confidential and they also can be found on many recruitment agencies websites

[WrldWide]

Trim,
Thanks for the update. Had up until your post, considered ET an option but will now remove them from my list. Currently ME3 777 cap looking at options.

[linkebungu]

Trim,
I Was under the impression that ex-pat Captains were getting the 777 freighter. Is that not true?

[QCM]

Good post Trim.
What about not being paid during training,and eventually everlasting training requiring going through each destination? Rumors? Facts? Thanks for objective answer.

[Trimaranus]

Expats cpt now fly both cargo and pax but for some (unknown reason) they do not fly to US as only ethiopians do.
Pay during training: used to be like that (no base salary till released) but know i think is changed, but not sure 100% sorry.

[captplaystation]

I read on another thread that you are paid, but retrospectively after the training. . . . . . better have some cash when you join (and pass the training if you want to be around to claim )

Better, but still not really on. . . . . :=

[cpnkirk59]

I've been following the Ethiopian thread for a while. I'm at a point, where I'd like to apply(DEC B777 Capt).

Is there anyone, that has updated information? Still hearing "great things" about the contract (and crazy rumors!). I'd appreciate any updated information.

RP

[Masagemarad]

Stay away the B777 is a a waste of time i was just there really hard to commute as you lose two days of commuting from the US as the flight that goes from Washington IAD is an early morning flight you have to get there the night before.
There is no Business Class as they advertise they stick you in the back of the plane.
They do not like westerners there and they will try to bust you in the simulator for eval. The B767 sim is inop no money to repair it Captains flying the 767 are going past there six months and getting waivers to continue flying. they stick you in a B737 simulator that is not maintained to standards. They will put in a forty knot crosswind to mess you up and fast forward the ground speed.
The hotel is out in the middle of no where as they recently just changed it is a one star at best. No AC or Heat in the rooms or building.
While I was there one of the other crew members interviewing got there Iphone stolen.
The Medical clinic where you do your physical is not sanitary at all better have all your shots or you may catch something, they reuse alot of testing equip without cleaning.

They also do not reimburse you for your visa as they also say.

[Taylor01]

Business class (we call it cloud nine) every time we go home. I have been here a year now and it is just fine. If you really need some info and are considering coming here feel free to pm me and when I check this site again I will respond. You get full pay reimbursed once you finish the short training period. From start to finish usually less than 1 month. The 777 is great, you can work as much or as little as you want to, meaning you follow the regs to the T. You get a roster every month, but keep in mind it will change!!! The above post about pay is correct, it depends on the A/C. Housing is in ET dollars but easy to change to USD and you per diem goes into your home account with your month pay. On time every month unless a holiday messes it up. Come with an open mind. There is no air conditioning or heating in any place here because the temperature is very nice. You are coming to a country that is not what we are used to so, yes the clinic leaves a little to be desired but nothing different than you would get in any other third world. And as far as the sim goes if you come in here with a good attitude if is a breeze, the guys are friendly and if you can not land in a 40 kt cross wind, first I have heard of this, I wouldn't want you as my Captain anyway! Good luck to you my friends...oh yeah the are now about 175 expats here and another 70+ to come. They are very friendly to us. Petty crime happens here like anywhere but if you walk down in dim lit street in the West you will be lucky if that is all that happens!

[Woldo777]

Hi Taylor, I wrote a email to you! I would be happy for more Info!

[STOCKMAN]

Been with Ethiopian for a while now so thought I would update this thread.

PROs

Very friendly people to be around.
Except for petty thefts Addis is safe for Expats.
Temperature is good through out the year. A little pollution but not too bad.
The company treats you good. No complaints.
The contract is honored ( except for below)
The money gets to your account on time and correct amount every month.
99% FOs would rather fly with you then the local Capt. They are friendly to you and unless you are a total jerk you will like the cockpit environment.
The cabin crew are friendly and competent.
20/10 or 25/12 schedule.
Confirmed. Buisness class seats on your GDO every time. The 777 have the full flat seats now.
14 days Annual leave @ 2 days per month. I take all 14 days every year in combination with the GDO.
Pay is per aircraft type etc etc.
The housing allowance covers your hotel or shared apartment.

CONs

This is One of the poorest countries in Africa. Therefore please do not expect western standards in housing food sanitation transport. Etc etc. though Addis has adequate infra structure restaurant. Etc. it's not a bad city at all.
Ethiopia is a single party socialist country. The government controls everything
Time magazine this month had Ethiopia as the No1 country for Internet censorship.
The CAA, Ethiopian airlines , the government all are one and the same thing.

Warning!!!!

Initial sim training for the 777 is a breeze. 737/757/767 could be a nightmare. ( 6 737 captains in last year alone I know off did not make it through the 3rd day of sim)
All said and done. If you want to fly within legal duty period limits with legal rest periods.....this company is probably not for you. The constant calls from scheduling will result in Either
a. You will quit as soon as you can find another Gig
B. You will snap and they will fire you
C. You will fight every day to stay legal and the chief pilot will have you on speed dial. Then your contract will not be renewed.
D. A few months and you can't take it anymore. You will quit without the next gig lined up and no job.

Either way it will be a short stay.

Want to fly 150 hrs a month. ( some do...) and make lots of overtime money. This company needs you. :ok:

Just my two cents for those looking into joining here.

[linkebungu]

STOCK, what kind of routes are you flying? Are only nationals crewing the USA legs?

[STOCKMAN]

Hi
Mostly the locals get the USA trips. Once in a long while you might get that trip.

The locals are not paid much. Way less than you and me.
They are paid per diem on the lay overs. We are paid per diem for everyday that we are available for work.
Therefore any trip that involves per deim and a layover. The locals will fight for it

The scheduling dept is inefficient and corrupt.
Therefore as an expat you will get a few of these trips just because the scheduler screwed up or the local Capt fell sick or any such combination thereof.
Every few months or so they loose a cabin crew here and there to desertion. So they really don't want an expat around those times.

Hope this helps

[linkebungu]

Does that leave ex-pats with relatively shorter trips to Europe or Southern Africa? Or is it even stuck to mostly quick turns, i.e. Luanda and back in a day?

Mostly freight? Mostly pax? Good mix of the two?

EDIT: Thanks for the all the replies thus far, good info

[SEEDA]

Hi taylor,

Thanks for the Info, I wrote you an email. I appreciate any extra information.

:

[SEEDA]

Hi Stockman,

Thank you for the great feedback. I am seriously considering the job. Loks like a good gig for commuting.
How is the assessment like on the 777!. What's the overtime pay like in the info sheet I got it says 80/HR, doesn't say the threshold. How many hours can you log in 20/25 Rotations.!!

Thanks again for the feedback.

[King on a Wing]

Like wise stockman. Many thanks for the info in advance.
Any Intel on the screening would be valuable.
Any specials?
Thanks again

[STOCKMAN]

Hello

Overtime starts after 80 hrs in calendar month

Overtime rate Basic pay
------------- = $ per hour. E.g. 7500/80= 93.75 per hour
80

If your rotation starts on 1 st of the month then in 25 calendar months you can fly 120 hrs and get 40 hrs over time. Legally not possible every month do the math.

You can get overtime every month if you want to fly like crazy. Ethiopian airlines does not mind ( they will love you ) and the CAA looks the other way.

Assessment

I don't know of anyone that has failed the assessment in the sim.( that doesn't mean that people don't )
Pretty straight forward profile. High altitude 7650 ft for addis. So be a little careful for performance and TO &LDG. Ext flaps etc.

Interview

Straight forward questions
Last question. Can you start today.....lol

Lastly
The retention rate in Ethiopian airlines is very poor. Majority expats leave before a year.
Few make it to 2 years
A select meager few past that

[STOCKMAN]

I forgot to add

Medical.
It's high altitude in addis. So it could be a little difficult on the treadmill and blood work ( they do give you plenty of slack for it. So no real worries there).

A few of the pilots were hired with just the medical and interview. No Sim

So assessment would be the last of anyone's worries.

[Cardinal Puff]

Overtime starts after 80 hrs in calendar month

Overtime rate Basic pay
------------- = $ per hour. E.g. 7500/80= 93.75 per hour
80

If your rotation starts on 1 st of the month then in 25 calendar months you can fly 120 hrs and get 40 hrs over time. Legally not possible every month do the math.

You can get overtime every month if you want to fly like crazy. Ethiopian airlines does not mind ( they will love you ) and the CAA looks the other way.


And right there is the reason for the slow motion taxiing and interminable wait lining up while everyone at the holding point wishes they'd get a bloody move on.

[SEEDA]

Thanks for the feedback.. Going to ADD on 21st for the interview. Will let you know how it goes...
Didn't quite get the Math on the overtime.. May be you explain that over a beer in ADD... is it possible to walk away with 15k in a month,.!! Do you prefer the 25/12 over 20/10 rotation!!..

Thanks again..

[Taylor01]

Sorry guys if I did not respond but I did not get any email. Please email me again if you have question. I do not check Pprune as much as I did when I was in the sandpit but I will check it once in a while.

[JTrain]

Do they still recruit expats for the Q400?

[Sky Goose]

Hi All,

I have been at ET on the B737 for about 8 month now and can give you some feedback, hope it is of some use.

Keep in mind Im an Ex FR Driver !

Interview

The interview process takes 2 days, day one is the medical, nothing special here, besides a blood test for AIDS and other tropical diseases.
Day 2 is the simulator and the interview.
Simulator is a mini LPC, hand flown SID with flight directors. Followed by steep turns and stalls.
Then a procedural ILS with landing, also with FD.
V1 cut with an ILS approach and go around, all with FD, he ended the session half way through the GA.
The interview was OK, asked lost of ATPL stuff, what is balanced field length, how is it calculated, what is1st, 2nd and 3rd segment climb. How do you do a take off calculation without OPT or performance tables. The answers is use the FPPM (Flight planning and performance manual), never heard of it, but its a Boeing manual with all the relevant graphs etc.

They provide business class tickets, accommodation, all meals and transport. The hotel is OK, kind of like a Hilton that is in need of an upgrade. Same hotel is provided free of charge during the training, but only breakfast, no lunch and dinner.

Training

Ground School:
Before you start the training they send you a link for the CBT, this is pretty much all the theory for a type rating plus ETOPS, RVSM etc.They want you to finish it before your arrival to ADD. Needless to say I did not do it, as I was goofing off at home and did not fancy doing a CBT when I could be drinking beer in front of a BBQ or goofing off at the beach.
Upon arrival in ADD they asked why I had not done it and I said I had no time, they were not too bothered. I did the CBT at the hotel, took about 4 days solid.
After this you get your uniform and all your ID’s then you do 2 observation flights (sit in jump seat and observe operation) First day was an ETOPS flight to Libreville and next day a 4 sector day, Mombassa, Kilimanjaro, Mombassa and back to Addis.

Sim:
This is followed by the SIM, 2 days fixed base and 5 days FFS followed by check. The sim is not too bad, the sessions are only 2 hours long and it is mostly to teach you about the emergency turns and depressurisation escape routes around the ADD area, lots of high terrain. ADD is 7500ft.
The check was OK, no surprises, except he asked me to do a SE visual. Otherwise standard stuff, depressurisation with escape route, due terrain around ADD, NPA with circle to land. V1 cut, visual circuit to land.

Line Training:
I had 7 days of line training with 3 different instructors. The instructors are pretty nice, but 2 of them were quite anal on the verge of being annoying, no yelling, just each guy had his own idea of what the SOP was, which is all different from what the SOP manual says. I was warned of the above before the training began and advised just to nod and agree otherwise they could get otherwise, they have quite a high opinion of themselves.
The check was over 2 days to Maputo (Overnight in Maputo), so pretty relaxed, he passed me half way through the second day, and asked if he could do the approach and landing, to show me how its done !

On Line

They are very short of captains, especially on the B737 fleet, so Ive been flying my ass off since I was released. FTLs are not adhered to, so you must decide yourself if you are up to it and if you are comfortable busting the FTL limits. The limits are 1000 hours a year, 110 hours in 30 days and 32 hours in 7 days. Some guys are doing 140 hours in 20 days, as after 80 hours you get 87.50 USD per block hour extra. The advice that most give is fly until you are not happy with your fatigue levels, then turn you phone off.

The aircraft are all pretty new, they have 5 -700 and 15 -800, with another 10 MAX’s coming starting 2017. They are all very well equipped 27K engines, sun blinds, galley camera automatic WX radar and 180min ETOPS, and some extra stuff on the Vnav side.

The flying is varied and pretty relaxed, not much traffic, interesting destinations and ETOPS sectors over the Congo and the Indian ocean when we do New Delhi.
The crappy sectors are to the middle east, which are all done during the night, so pretty exhausting. Some destinations don't even have approach plates, in Somaliland etc.

The fuel policy is pretty relaxed, no need to give a reason of why, on the day, you took extra, must just remember why you did it, as they can ask you to give a reason if asked later. During the rainy season the company wants you to carry at least a half hour coming into ADD, even if nothing on the TAF. So I regularly land with 4.5-5 ton, with a diversion requirement of 3.5.

The engineering is generally good, all the -800 are pretty new with new ones arriving at about 1 a months. The -700 are leased and have some MEL items, but nothing major. You always have access to an engineer, if the destination does not have an ET engineer stationed, you take one with you, he does the fueling, tech log and opens MEL items and performs maintenance actions. All the aircraft carry a Boeing „fly away kit“ which includes a main wheel, nose wheel and a big box of assorted spares and tools, so the most common tech problems can be dealt with on the spot. But do check the tech log as they do sometimes get creative when they do not have time or spares to do the job !

The first officers are all very nice, you are the king, sitting in the left seat, so none of this crappy rich kid attitude that was sometimes present in FR. Some are very inexperienced and not the best handling pilots and lack SA at times. I was jolted awake after a night sector from Kuwait with a 2.2G landing thanks to 300 hour space cadet.

Addis is a pretty dismal place, lots of poverty but the people are very friendly and it is very safe, no problems walking around town, even after dark. Beer and food is cheap too, about 0.50 euro for a beer and 5 for a meal.

The cabin crew cant do enough for you, great crew food and all positioning, commuting and staff travel in business class. And all the water and coffee you can drink !

Overall Im glad I have made the move, after leaving FR you come to realise just what a bunch of greedy gits FR management really are.

The roster is 10 days off 20 days on, plus 14 days annual leave.
The pay is 7000 USD basic (just had a 500 USD pay increase as of Jan 1st), 1200 per diems and 1250 housing allowance. 4200 USD every 6 month and 7000 USD after 3 years for contract completion. Plus 87.50 USD for overtime, as mentioned above. All amounts are NET (ie after tax).
You are paid the basic pay plus 60USD per diem during training. But the basic is paid in arrears over 6 months once training is finished, a bit of a pain, don't really know why they do this.

I live in a large house with 7 other expat pilots, good company. We pay approx 500 USD each for rent, 2 cleaners and a full time guard and driver and a permanently stocked beer fridge. So I take home about 700 USD every month in cash of unspent housing allowance.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

all the best

Goose

PS
JTrain
Had a few beers with an expat Q400 skipper who was going to work in Malawi for ET. They own 50% of Air Malawi.

[Iver]

Any examples of the "good" 777 routes flown by locals vs the routes flown by expat 777 pilots?

[Trimaranus]

Well, this is not really true anymore and all destinations are given to everybody. Of course you'll get US flights only if you have US visa.
Some "cleaning" has been done on the scheduling department and now it seems things are working differently.
777 pax is flying on a regular basis to China (pek, can,pvg) , Washington, lagos, Dubai, Johannesburg and Luanda. But very often they are used on Europe and other african destinations when pax booking is high,
777 F is flying regurally to Liege, maastricht Dubai, Hong kong, Mumbay, Dehli and Chennay plus a lot of occasional destinations in Europe, Asia and africa. Other Freighters are coming so probably other destination will be added soon.

[MD80767 Driver]

Sky Goose and other ET pilots, thank you very much for your posts.

I hope to be joining you soon...but on the 767 as Capt. Can any of you come up with a little info about that? Still 7000 net? Lots of overtime on the 767 as well? Where do you pay taxes ? 767 Routes ?

Rgds

[Trimaranus]

the salary is still 7000 + 1200 + 1250 (housing allowance) but now they pay an extra of 700 usd/month but paid every 6 months, so 4200 usd x 2 every year.
767 is in the process of being phase out in the coming years replaced by 787 but probably a few will remain including a couple of converted freighter.
So overtime is not frequent anymore. Routes are mainly african plus some asian like BKK DEL BOM an a few others
Regarding taxes, in ethiopia salary is tax free so it depends where you are resident and the rules of your country and if your country has any double taxation avoidance agreement with ethiopia.

[SEEDA]

Thank you all for the great feedback. I am joining March 1st on the 777, I am all excited. What do you guys recommend for accommodation once training is done.?
Thanks again

[MD80767 Driver]

Trimaranus,

Thank you very much Sir. Im aware the 767 is leaving soon. Fine with me - I won't complain about being moved to the 77/78 :)

Surprised to see that the salary is tax-free though. I checked wiki and it said that taxes are around 35% down there at those salary levels. But I won't complain about your info either :ok:

[Trimaranus]

Accomodation after trainig, it depends, some of us prefer to remain in hotels some rented a house in both cases you can find many solutions at different prices. Once you are there you ll find easy to get all infos you need.
For the salary, true, ethiopian salaries above 5000 bir are taxed 35%,but expat salaries are tax free

[MD80767 Driver]

Awesome. Thank you Sir

[Icelanta]

As an expat, do you have access to ID tickets with *Alliance members like LH, OS, LX to facilitate commuting home? ( if home is not a ET destination)

Do family members get ID tickets?

How long is line training?

Thanks!

[Trimaranus]

You and Your family is entitled of 2 businnes class and 6 economy tkt a year plus 1 more every year of service. In addition, unlimited zed ticket with other airlines. Commuting to an Eth destination does not require tickets anyway as you have a reserved return C seat every month.
Line training normally does not last long, depends on you. There are a few destinations that you have to fly to be qualified but apart from those it's a normal line training.
Be aware that you are not paid during training but you will have all your money back after line ck is succesfully completed

[fortybelow]

Any Q400 drivers on here with any info for us humble prop driver types? I see they are advertising for Q400 Capt.

Any info appreciated, I guess T and C's similar to what the 777 guys are saying except less pay cause its "only a wee turboprop..."

[Beanhead]

Goose thank you for this valuable info. If you have any bank of questions that they ask in the interview besides what you listed I would appreciate that greatly


I have been at ET on the B737 for about 8 month now and can give you some feedback, hope it is of some use.

Keep in mind Im an Ex FR Driver !

Interview

The interview process takes 2 days, day one is the medical, nothing special here, besides a blood test for AIDS and other tropical diseases.
Day 2 is the simulator and the interview.
Simulator is a mini LPC, hand flown SID with flight directors. Followed by steep turns and stalls.
Then a procedural ILS with landing, also with FD.
V1 cut with an ILS approach and go around, all with FD, he ended the session half way through the GA.
The interview was OK, asked lost of ATPL stuff, what is balanced field length, how is it calculated, what is1st, 2nd and 3rd segment climb. How do you do a take off calculation without OPT or performance tables. The answers is use the FPPM (Flight planning and performance manual), never heard of it, but its a Boeing manual with all the relevant graphs etc.

They provide business class tickets, accommodation, all meals and transport. The hotel is OK, kind of like a Hilton that is in need of an upgrade. Same hotel is provided free of charge during the training, but only breakfast, no lunch and dinner.

Training

Ground School:
Before you start the training they send you a link for the CBT, this is pretty much all the theory for a type rating plus ETOPS, RVSM etc.They want you to finish it before your arrival to ADD. Needless to say I did not do it, as I was goofing off at home and did not fancy doing a CBT when I could be drinking beer in front of a BBQ or goofing off at the beach.
Upon arrival in ADD they asked why I had not done it and I said I had no time, they were not too bothered. I did the CBT at the hotel, took about 4 days solid.
After this you get your uniform and all your ID’s then you do 2 observation flights (sit in jump seat and observe operation) First day was an ETOPS flight to Libreville and next day a 4 sector day, Mombassa, Kilimanjaro, Mombassa and back to Addis.

Sim:
This is followed by the SIM, 2 days fixed base and 5 days FFS followed by check. The sim is not too bad, the sessions are only 2 hours long and it is mostly to teach you about the emergency turns and depressurisation escape routes around the ADD area, lots of high terrain. ADD is 7500ft.
The check was OK, no surprises, except he asked me to do a SE visual. Otherwise standard stuff, depressurisation with escape route, due terrain around ADD, NPA with circle to land. V1 cut, visual circuit to land.

Line Training:
I had 7 days of line training with 3 different instructors. The instructors are pretty nice, but 2 of them were quite anal on the verge of being annoying, no yelling, just each guy had his own idea of what the SOP was, which is all different from what the SOP manual says. I was warned of the above before the training began and advised just to nod and agree otherwise they could get otherwise, they have quite a high opinion of themselves.
The check was over 2 days to Maputo (Overnight in Maputo), so pretty relaxed, he passed me half way through the second day, and asked if he could do the approach and landing, to show me how its done !

On Line

They are very short of captains, especially on the B737 fleet, so Ive been flying my ass off since I was released. FTLs are not adhered to, so you must decide yourself if you are up to it and if you are comfortable busting the FTL limits. The limits are 1000 hours a year, 110 hours in 30 days and 32 hours in 7 days. Some guys are doing 140 hours in 20 days, as after 80 hours you get 87.50 USD per block hour extra. The advice that most give is fly until you are not happy with your fatigue levels, then turn you phone off.

The aircraft are all pretty new, they have 5 -700 and 15 -800, with another 10 MAX’s coming starting 2017. They are all very well equipped 27K engines, sun blinds, galley camera automatic WX radar and 180min ETOPS, and some extra stuff on the Vnav side.

The flying is varied and pretty relaxed, not much traffic, interesting destinations and ETOPS sectors over the Congo and the Indian ocean when we do New Delhi.
The crappy sectors are to the middle east, which are all done during the night, so pretty exhausting. Some destinations don't even have approach plates, in Somaliland etc.

The fuel policy is pretty relaxed, no need to give a reason of why, on the day, you took extra, must just remember why you did it, as they can ask you to give a reason if asked later. During the rainy season the company wants you to carry at least a half hour coming into ADD, even if nothing on the TAF. So I regularly land with 4.5-5 ton, with a diversion requirement of 3.5.

The engineering is generally good, all the -800 are pretty new with new ones arriving at about 1 a months. The -700 are leased and have some MEL items, but nothing major. You always have access to an engineer, if the destination does not have an ET engineer stationed, you take one with you, he does the fueling, tech log and opens MEL items and performs maintenance actions. All the aircraft carry a Boeing „fly away kit“ which includes a main wheel, nose wheel and a big box of assorted spares and tools, so the most common tech problems can be dealt with on the spot. But do check the tech log as they do sometimes get creative when they do not have time or spares to do the job !

The first officers are all very nice, you are the king, sitting in the left seat, so none of this crappy rich kid attitude that was sometimes present in FR. Some are very inexperienced and not the best handling pilots and lack SA at times. I was jolted awake after a night sector from Kuwait with a 2.2G landing thanks to 300 hour space cadet.

Addis is a pretty dismal place, lots of poverty but the people are very friendly and it is very safe, no problems walking around town, even after dark. Beer and food is cheap too, about 0.50 euro for a beer and 5 for a meal.

The cabin crew cant do enough for you, great crew food and all positioning, commuting and staff travel in business class. And all the water and coffee you can drink !

Overall Im glad I have made the move, after leaving FR you come to realise just what a bunch of greedy gits FR management really are.

The roster is 10 days off 20 days on, plus 14 days annual leave.
The pay is 7000 USD basic (just had a 500 USD pay increase as of Jan 1st), 1200 per diems and 1250 housing allowance. 4200 USD every 6 month and 7000 USD after 3 years for contract completion. Plus 87.50 USD for overtime, as mentioned above. All amounts are NET (ie after tax).
You are paid the basic pay plus 60USD per diem during training. But the basic is paid in arrears over 6 months once training is finished, a bit of a pain, don't really know why they do this.

I live in a large house with 7 other expat pilots, good company. We pay approx 500 USD each for rent, 2 cleaners and a full time guard and driver and a permanently stocked beer fridge. So I take home about 700 USD every month in cash of unspent housing allowance.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.



PS
JTrain
Had a few beers with an expat Q400 skipper who was going to work in Malawi for ET. They own 50% of Air Malawi.[/QUOTE]

[seifly]

Cause where you are they are all 300Hr Chuck Yeagers!!
http://www.achievement.org/achievers/yea0/large/yea0-008.jpg

[Beanhead]

Hi guys

I have an assessment for B737 Captain on the 23rd of April 2016. Can anyone give me an idea of the sim assessment whats it like as well as the airports used?

[Beanhead]

Are they still very short of B737 Captains?? At what point d they ask you to pay for the training?

[Trimaranus]

Normally before the training starts, but remember it s a bond. They will give your money back in max 3 years, depending on the time reported in your contract.
the payment can be advanced, or deducted from your pay check of half/ half. Usually you can find an agreement for that

[leo79]

Trim thanks for the great info. How do you mean half/half deduction for the bond payment? SEEDA how did the interview go?

[Trimaranus]

Trim thanks for the great info. How do you mean half/half deduction for the bond payment? SEEDA how did the interview go?

I mean that you pay cash half soon and half in monthly deductions from pay check.
But there are many different agreements so it depends what they offer to you

[Didacts and Narpets]

Hey Beanhead, are you still there? I will have a fresh 737NG PC next month and was thinking of applying. At least I should go interview and see for myself. What contractor did you use because Silver wings is still only paying 7000 as opposed to 7500$. Going through ET directly might be the best. Thanks for anymore info.

[Trimaranus]

[QUOTE=Silver wings is still only paying 7000 as opposed to 7500$. [/QUOTE]
I don t think ETH is paying 7500 usd for 737. It used to be 6500 till january then they increased by 500.
Now is 7000 + 1200 + 1250 (housing allowance) + overtime

[Didacts and Narpets]

I re-read that and now understand. Thanks Tri.

Now, to be clear on the bonuses, it's 4200 every six months in addition to 7000+1200+1250? Then after 3 years you get an additional 7000$? All USD?

Are the medical benefits worldwide? Is travel in bizzo or downgradable to economy. Can you change your destination so say instead of EWR you go to JFK? Do they have Zed/ID90 travel on all carriers in addition, can you buy biz/first Zed?

Thanks again.

[DUPLEX]

Does anyone know if they are firm on the 2500 hours jet PIC requirement?

[Trimaranus]

I re-read that and now understand. Thanks Tri.

Now, to be clear on the bonuses, it's 4200 every six months in addition to 7000+1200+1250? Then after 3 years you get an additional 7000$? All USD?

Are the medical benefits worldwide? Is travel in bizzo or downgradable to economy. Can you change your destination so say instead of EWR you go to JFK? Do they have Zed/ID90 travel on all carriers in addition, can you buy biz/first Zed?

Thanks again.

The count you did on salary is correct (for 737/767 only) and it's all in USD.
Medical insurance abroad is valid only when you are on duty, it doesn t cover anything else.
Travel when you go on your days off is in businnes but downgradable if flight is full.
You need to send a mail a few days before the flight with the destination of your choice, you can change it every month if you want but it must be on Eth network.
Zed are available and if you fly Eth you have 2 biz class tkt a year for you and your family plus one every year of service plus of course econ ones.

[italian stallion]

Hi Trimaranus
Are you currently flying at ETH. ..may I PM you?

Thanks

[Trimaranus]

yes, no problem

[DunePrune]

I was with them on the 75/76 for 3 1/2 years until retiring last August.


They treated me extremely well. Everything they promised was delivered.


My mother died. Immediate ticket home, open ended leave until affairs sorted, emails of condolence from three members of management.


They even gave me a farewell reception.


Thanks ET


(Those of you who recognize me - please keep my secret)

[4runner]

Great post duneprune. I found an African airline was much more accommodating and understanding than my previous US employer was.

[italian stallion]

Hi guys
Anyone here that can tell me about what accommodation is available after your 30 days in hotel, rental , who to maybe contact and possibly what areas are good to stay.

Thanks

[one mile]

Hello all

going for interview next week any little tips and infos will be more than welcome
if you apply for 777 f/o what sim do they give you for the assesment?

thanks

[davidaz68]

normally on 777 sim but i think is under maintenance now so you will probably do it on 737 (or may be 767 or 787)
It s basically stick and rudder and of course you are not supposed to know the aircraft if it's not yours.

[one mile]

Hi davidaz68

thanks a lot for the infos, do you know if they ask a lot of triple heaven system questions or just atpl stuff? and regarding the basic salary during training, what are the actual status, do you get paid or you get paid later on (after training complete or line check I guess). How long it takes to complete the training? Do you know if they contact your last employer or just your references?

thanks a lot

One Mile

[one mile]

any one know if ETH is still hiring FO's on wide body?

[Trimaranus]

any one know if ETH is still hiring FO's on wide body?

Yes they do, only type rated on 777 and/or 787

[one mile]

I hope they will consider me, Im 100h short of the requirements, Im applied thru FCI.

[davidaz68]

you can also apply directly with the airline, you find the info on eth website

[one mile]

Hi Davidaz68,
I did,but the email on the website doesnt seems to work, I filled the online application, I dont know if its enaught. It looklike they dont need F/O's anymore...

[davidaz68]

One Mile you have a PM

[davidaz68]

They did not cut any overtime allowances, simply now we have a reasonable lower monthly flight activity as more pilots joined the company. But there has not been any salary or allowance reduction

[davidaz68]

"quote" Reasonable lower monthly flight activity means Expatriate crew will not fly over 80hrs. over time is first and exclusively should be assigned to locals, any left over may go to Expats. Contrary to your statement the numbers leaving the company overlaps the joining ones. that's is why almost all recruitment agencies are and have been looking for crews in all fleets with 200hrs on type for the past three years and so. Even the unemployed Kenyan crew refused to join!
The kenyan refused for other reasons, anyway, i understand your point but since i have to fly for other 17 years, i'm very happy to fly 80 hrs or less. I m not interested in flying 100 and more hrs every month, if you are, be my guest.
I find this one a nice place to work with nice people, it s not the best contract around, it s true but one of the few to be a real commuting one.
Of course, it s only my personal opinion

[MD80767 Driver]

I hope they will consider me, Im 100h short of the requirements, Im applied thru FCI.

Hi one mile. I talked to them 3-4 months ago, when I was also 100 hours short. I was told that, there is no way they can start my process, before reaching the minimum required.

[one mile]

Hey MD80767 Driver,

I got the same reply on Friday

[FL XXX]

Looking at joining EK, EY or QR at the moment. How does ET compare with the big 3 ME? I would like to give ET the benefit of the doubt after reading some good posts here.

Any info would be highly appreciated.

[Iron Duke]

Hi All ..

The basic on the B737 is US$7500 ... what is the B777/787 Basic salary ...

Many thanks

I.Duke

[Trimaranus]

The basic on 737 is 7000 + perdiem + bonus+ housing
On 777 is 9000 + same things
But you can get the info on ethiopian website, section "careers"

[77heavy]

ETH depends on each others background or necessities. The 777 and 787 schedule are pretty much a monthly mess, this 20/10 scheme is ok if your home base is served daily from Addis or else you will have to sell your soul to the devil. Some guys accept anything and also bribe the schedulers to get better over time $$$ flights. Recently 7 schedulers were fired for that. The company has way too more airplanes than they can handle, there are a daily problem at the ramp: NO enough shuttle bus to carry the crew in and out the airplanes, when you ARR at the cargo terminal, be ready to wait up to 50 minutes for the shuttle.

After airborne no more communications to the company, they do not use ACARS for saving money, they delay the so called 6 monthly bonus every time, unless a month earlier you remind them almost daily. There are so many annoyances that our colleagues do not mention on this forum, Every month they loose pilots that just abandon the job and never come back, yes no resign just disappear.

Well, as I said earlier it all depends of each ones objective, sometime the necessity makes you find this job a breeze. Now the new contract for the 777 include a clause that you must do the 787 type and they will hold US$15K from you, good for the young boys, bad for the old foxes.

Anyway, the company is a mess but they do not care about AFDR, you close the door, pray, and go for it. The first officers are quite good indeed. Out of 12 pilots that joined the same time as me, 5 left within the first 12 months, I am struggling not to do so. If you go for a cargo flight be ready to to your job and the dispatch and coordination as well, you will be left alone wherever you are. Good luck!!!

[Iron Duke]

Thanks Trim for info ...

Interesting post 77heavy ...

Good Luck ..

I. Duke

[Didacts and Narpets]

Any latest news? Read the 75/76s are going. Im rated on 737 with a current PC. My commute would be to the USA and see most of the flights stop in Lome Togo? Im really interested in going more for the adventure than anything. I have previos Africa experience.
Thanks for any info.

[4runner]

Look at their root map dude. ET flies direct to US. Sometimes a tech stop in Rome though. The Lome deal is a subsidiary of ET. The Thpanith seem to be over there, hence the unintelligible garble on the radio.

[Trimaranus]

Eth is currently flying to US. To IAD and LAX (and YYZ) via Dublin and To EWR via Lome. On the way back to Addis, IAD and YYZ fly no-stop while the others make the same stop as they have traffic rights

[Didacts and Narpets]

Thanks Tri. I was trying to look at the site overseas but it was blocking me.

[REB737]

Hi everyone! I'm thinking to apply for B737 DEC position. I've read about some political issues in Addis Ababa recently, some demonstrations against the government. How is latest situation in Addis Ababa?

[MisterFred]

REB737 - Suffice it to say no one knows what the future will hold. Protesters with legitimate grievances are in fact a big deal, though moreso in the countryside than Addis itself. The government is attempting limited reforms to address their grievances. Your guess is as good as mine as to whether or not that will work, but I'd still apply for the job if I were you.

Background - When the communist dictatorship was overthrown, a big part of the fighting was done by the Tigrayan Revolutionary Front (or some such).

There are (more or less) four major ethnic groups in Ethiopia (and some smaller ones). The Somalis are generally in the east of the country and don't matter to this discussion. The Tigrayans are the smallest of the major ethnic groups, but also the most politically powerful. Many of the high-ranking politicians and army officers are Tigray. (Though not the current prime minister, an Oromo). The Amhara are, like the Tigray, from the north of the country. Together the Amhara and the Tigray are the two groups associated with the 2-thousand-year history of urban civilization (much of which is dominated by Christianity). The Oromo are the new kids on the block, ethnically speaking. They were an interior tribal people that conquered a bunch of territory in what is now southern Ethiopia a few hundred years ago and more-or-less assimilated to Ethiopian culture & helped the recent Ethiopian emperors conquer some more territory (especially along what is now the Sudanese/southern border).

Ethiopia is very much a federal state, with the various states corresponding to ethnic territories (think Scotland, Wales, etc. in the U.K.). There are two big complaints by the Oromo (and, less importantly, Amhara) against the government (aka Tigray). One is a lack of political freedom. Which is fair - who gets to participate in elections is very limited in Ethiopia. An individual Oromo isn't generally discriminated against in everyday life though. The second big criticism is that Addis Ababa's administrative area is being expanded by annexing Oromo farm land, and that in general the government awards large development projects to foreign companies by giving them rights to productive land in Oromo & Amhara regions.

Will this affect you? Probably not. There is some concern - the more destructive of the protests/riots have specifically targeted major foreign investments, which the airline could be seen as part of. But in general this seems to be more land disputes than a genuine anti-foreigner bias (even the few cases of foreign investments targeted, it's generally buildings being burnt down at night and NOT foreign employees being put at risk), and of course the airline isn't a big land-user. AKA, Tigrays are taking our traditional farmland and selling it to some big European company to enrich themselves leaving us with nothing, so we're mad. Again - not a problem with the airline.

Could a war break out in the country? Possibly, if ethnic tensions get worked up - the Oromo are the largest of the ethnic groups in Ethiopia. But it's a real long-shot, I consider that highly unlikely. Not least because this has NOT been a problem over the last few generations, so there is no ready-made Oromo militia or source of arms.

Is religious extremism a problem? There are a lot of Muslims (and Christians...) in Ethiopia, but religious tensions aren't generally part of the current political landscape, nor are extremist groups. Somalis tend to be Muslim, Oromo roughly split Christian-Muslim, and Tigray and Amhara tend to be Christian. Christianity will dominate in Addis.

Personally, I would NOT let this worry stop me from taking the job. Ethiopia has strong, centralized government without a lot of corruption problems. There has been violence, but it is not widespread and not generally in Addis (and has generally been the result of the government being harsh on protesters). It's not a traditional African conflict. I'd see this as similar to/having elements of the Basque separatist conflict in Spain (but less assassinations), fights over land in Brazil, or even the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (again, with a LOT less violence). You'd still be willing to take a job in Barcelona or Bilbao, and personally I'd prefer a job in Addis than in Rio or Tel Aviv.

Suggested precautions - live close to the airport/city center in Addis. There's no real hostility to the historic parts of the city, just the new developments on the outskirts. Those I'd avoid. P.S. I wouldn't take a job there if I was gay though. Despite having a very different flavor of Christianity than the rest of Africa, it's still a pretty hostile country to homosexuals.

[4runner]

Great post! You obviously have made an effort to gain some insight and knowledge vis a vis your current situation, environment and employer. Too few expats(diplomats included) make the effort of "knowing their neighborhood". I may not always like where I am or where I live, but at least make an effort to have abit of local knowledge. Too many expats arrive looking for work and don't make any attempt to leave their hotel, let alone get to know the country they reside in.

[REB737]

MisterFred, thank you very much for the reply. It gives very good inside info.

[cpnkirk59]

This current threat has been the most informative on Ethiopian! Thanks for the great posts. I'd flown freighters into ADD, was tempted in the past to apply and never did. Still thinking about applying, as I know the issues and the commute. One more question, in regards to an update. With so many expats leaving, are some of the guys still flying over 100hrs a month on the 777?

[REB737]

Anybody here who can give information about the roaster of B737 fleet? Which destination, how many hours in 20 days, any layovers, etc?

[Dogged]

I hear Ethiopian Airlines pilots are no longer entitled to confirmed business class seats when traveling to work and back on their days off, but will only now be upgraded from economy at the discretion of the gate agent...
Not a great way to attract or retain pilots I think.

[The Visionary]

Or just refuse to get on the jet.

[CAP B767]

I am going on January 9 and 10 for the screening on the 767 fleet. Any suggestions ?
Thanks

[Dogged]

Prepare to fly in economy.

[CAP B767]

Not a good thing to start an screening! Are there any latinos flying the 767 fleet?
What is the sim scenario? Addis?
Tell about the routes please. Africa and what outside Africa? All the flights are round trip or there are layovers?

[REB737]

Dogged: Is that confirmed info. regarding the tickets to/from work?

CAP B767: Please let us know the details of your screening. I'm also planning to be there on 16-17th January.

[Dogged]

Regrettably yes it is..."with immediate effect"

[REB737]

It does not sound like a 'happy place' to be in?

[CAP B767]

Guys I have the interview and sim to the B767/ 757 fleet the second week of January and before going I want to ask some questions :
1- as I read, on training they provide the hotel with breakfast included and the per diem of 60 US daily, but the basic pay (7000US) is not payed until all training is finished and The pilot is flying on the line.
So, how much time to be on the line , 2 or 3 months? Then, if total training took let's say 3 months they owed 7000x3= 21000 US, do they pay that on the next month, or they take several months to pay?
2- as I read, no more business tickets for the conmute and now is always on economic class even on a long route like ADD- GRU ?

[Dogged]

It now appears that pilots are no longer entitled to the 30 days sick leave as stated it the contract. All sick days, even if signed off by a Dr. at the Ethiopian Airlines clinic are now being removed from the GDOs (Guaranteed Days Off) or you will be required to work extra days on your rotation to pay them back.
EG. If you are working a 20/10 (20 days on / 10 days off) rotation and you are sick for 2 days you are now required to work a 20/8 or a 22/10 rotation to pay back your sick days...That will sure teach those darn pilots not to be sick.
You are also only allowed to use a MAXIMUM of 2.5 sick days in any month!!! Don't know what happens if you are sick for 3 or more days.
And you are still required to fly in economy no matter where you are traveling to/from.
B777 + B787 Captains must also sign a $15,000 US bond (deducted from your pay) and only returned after 3 years service, no matter what your experience.
For $9000 US per month (B777 / B787) it all looks pretty dim.
I have read a recent contract and it seems like a lot of bait and switch to me. Get them in Addis and then hand them a different contract.
We can only wonder what the next round of changes will bring.
Good luck boys and girls.

[flyac]

Cap 767,
I would be very careful whether joining ET is still the right decision. As you mentioned earlier you were interested in FZ aswell. Sure, it is not the yellow from the egg but probably the better option than ET.
With a WB-rating and PIC time, many doors are open for you.
Keep these options in mind and consider joining Ethiopian carefully.
Good luck

[CAP B767]

Thanks for the advise flyac.

[dignified]

Questions for you foreign and local drivers based in Ethiopia:

1. What are the requirements at ETH or level of education in Ethiopia to become Chief Pilot or V.P Ops? The exiled pilot in Basle, Switzerland claims that these individuals are nothing but monkeys even when they wear a suit, true?

2. Is the ECAA another branch of Ethiopian or are they enforcing the rules and regulations? Several reports have been filed with U.S FDO's about duty and flying time limitation violations. EASA and U.K inspectors are weary of African airliners.

3. Is it true the Pilot Union president was caught on camera in the pool in LAX drunk and sodomising one of his F/A's? Did he get fired? Reinstated thereafter? I read an article on the Herald Tribune, must have been embarrassing.

4. Do you guys get paid? Several posts I have read in this forum inviting to doubts, dishonest management, local pilots paid like pawns, F/A's from several parts of Africa?

5. Is the medical assessment similar to EASA? FAA? Any issues with used syringes when taking lab tests?

6. Is buying a car in Addis a good idea considering so many places of interest to visit? Are roads in good shape considering the rain and subsiding of the asphalt?

7. Ethiopian peoples and culture? Are they educated? Are whites males preferred over locals or you have to have a degree in Orthodox religion? I hear the girls in Ethiopia grow hair compared to western Africans? Are they witty? Efficient?

8. What was the cause of the accident Ethiopian had out of Beirut? Was it fatigue or some sort of foul play? Any investigation results to review?

9. Is there an age limit to join? I am A350 Captain based in LUX, any chances I can be confined simply to do European flying based in Europe? Are all pilots based in Addis? Pay in local currency of Euros/USD?

10. I read the present CEO seem to be a very successful entrepreneur, and well educated man, is he posting some foreign staff in key roles? Or is this a full Ethiopian citizen gig?

11. What do they mean on their ads by "The new Spirit of Africa"? It appears to be a good hub, but is it really a safe airline to fly with?

12. What are the implications of foreign staff based in Addis when Ethiopia is surrounded by conflicts in the South of Sudan, Eritrea, Somalia, is the police or military there any good to contain a max exodus?

[4runner]

You're an EU national, based in Europe, a Captain on the latest and greatest airliner in the world and you're asking about going to Africa? Then you have a slew of questions, many of which indicate that you're concerned about security. Something doesn't add up.

[Trimaranus]

Hei do you want to come in ethiopia to work or to get married?
This is a nice company to work for with good people to deal with. But stay where you are, also because they are not hiring expats on A350.

[StinkyMonkey]

So, a joining Captain with plenty of PIC time on the 787/777 will still be bonded for $15000USD?

Is that correct?

[MD80767 Driver]

Stinky Monkey, my understanding from talking to a 777 Capt here yesterday: Usually, Expat capts arrive here with plenty of time on EITHER one of the aircraft, not both. In that case; No, you are not bonded initially. But they will put you on 'your' aircraft to begin with (777 or 787) Then after a while (usually 6 months to a year) you will be offered to fly the other one also. And thats where the 'bond' comes in. They will subtract USD 1250 from your salary every month for 12 months = 15.000. Paidback to you after the completion of your contract. For absolute confirmation on this, write to the Recruitment boss directly helenf@ethiopianairlines .com.


Another thing, Im curious as to if any FO has applied to the - in my mind - seriously ****ty contract offer through Flight Global, as DE FO on 777....anyone ??

[Stuckbetweenworlds]

Hi, on the airline jobs pages it says "height 1.65m". Is this a maximum height?

[Flyboy_SG]

I saw a 10/20 contract online. Are these guys serious ?

[Dogged]

Contract looks like it is now 21/9.

[Dogged]

Recently a Captain was docked 5 days pay for not accepting a flight with one hours notice. Docking of pay is not even in the contract. They make it up as they go.

[Cid30]

I can confirm what Dogged said. After being refused my request for the ticket home, I called HR / scheduling and the "1000000$ man".
All confirmed - from the CEO, nail those expats!! "The 1000000$ man" alerted the bosses that the Verenje won't like the new rule - reply "it's time they supported the operation"
So its maybe a 21/9 contract if you are lucky, more like a 22/8.
Stay away (like 4 expats that did not even bother to return from days off during August)!
The training is 1970's "please the skygods survival"
You might fly 1 flight from your original roster, the good stuff is given to locals who volenteer to fly on their days off.
If business is full you are shoved to economy, even during deadheading flights. And gentlemen; economy in ET is a whole new world.
Most wide body guys make between 12K-17K, for the big $ you need to do around 130 hrs during your 20 on.

To balance I must add: The locals are really nice and very switched on. The f/d atmosphere is super relaxed. The a/c are in good nick. Beer in Addis is super cheap.

[Dogged]

Just on a side note. 787/777 current and rated Captains will only need to pay $15,000 US to get job at ET. Sound so good to me.

[mach 84]

Their business/exploiting model soon will be exported, as they just have submitted a bid for arik airlines in nigeria!

[Trimaranus]

If they insist in this policy reducing days off, many expats will leave (i ll be the first one).
there are captains already flying beyond any legal limit up to 140 hrs in 20 days, what do they want to do? allow pilots to fly even more by returning to addis one day earlier?
Sadly the COO is a brainless guy but it seems that the company is very happy with all the damages he s doing....

[IZAD]

Interviewing rather senior pilot, from foreign crews to retired ETH pilots now serving as instructors, they reckoned in general nothing has changed at Ethiopian Airlines Enterprise, and no one more qualified to present a different argument than the present CEO who has been serving this outfit for over 30 years.

Local pilots are subdued no only because there is no pilot union and nothing encouraging to allow them to present a genuine protest, Medical unit in collusion with Flight Ops to repress those who report sick often, and now the outrageous interview to those local pilots who are no longer cooperating to fly on GDO's.

Now, charity starts at home, and the fault party is the diverse group of pilots, who ultimately pay the price, as some fly unlimited hours without concern for ECARAS rules that are clearly reflected in the FOM, incidentally to be monitored by V.P.Ops, but turning the blind eye on those who constantly exceed the limits with the excuse of serving company interests. Make no mistake, the moment there will be an incident or accident, the investigation would reveal exceedances from pilots to F/A's, as the shortage extends to the level of motor pool drivers who are never in time with the usual excuse there is even shortage of drivers, not vehicles.

When you read articles posted in the African continent about the success of Ethiopian Airlines, is no one else success but the company squeezing every minute of every employee, and not even a letter of commendation or gratitude for those going the extra mile, so how could this be a successful airline if their employees are constantly battered with all sorts of treats, from ABS reflected in those days they reject an assignment to constant intimidating meetings at Flight Ops to justify why are your shoes without lace??

Locals and foreigners are preparing a united front to obtain a responsible answer from whom is allowing all this disturbance to take place, safety is a big concern, and only him will pay the ultimate price, when we see that all this false advertisement about the success of Ethiopian, is nothing else but a big lie.

IFALPA, ICAO and other aviation organizations are reviewing the cover up of the Beirut accident, there was no foul play, no inexperienced crews, simply the result of abuse and exceedances that ultimately were paid with innocent lives who trust this brand.

We all know in the international arena that Africa is the dark continent, or because peoples are black, but because corruption is galore. If you are still employed with ETH, it is about time you search for plan B as all departments micromanaged but their own CEO are nothing but sources for repression if you do not follow their daily plan, even when they know and you know they have exceeded all operational limitations.

Notning can stand constant stress, even steel cables sooner or later snap if not provided with relief.
Stay away from this conspiracy, else you are by default to blame with the silence of the lambs.

[Cid30]

Agreed. Escape plan in action, but a few obstacles popped up.

Could any of the senior ET guys please confirm/deny the following:

Is it true that ET will not issue a resignation letter?
Is it true that ET will block your license verification?
Is it true that ET will not give a reference of employment?

Any info how to get around these problems (if true) will be greatly appreciated.

[dignified]

I would recommend you review most of the postings here, it is quite evident that the questions you pose will be reasons for management to be suspect you are planning to jumpship.

Collect your thoughts after you visit the Ethiopian Civil Aviation Authority, The Ethiopian Labour department, The Pilot Union, Legal advise from the reduced list of lawyers in Ethiopia who would be willing to fight your case, The U.N, The Ministry of Transport, and your local high commission; They may recommend you take your time OFF at home to meditate over the difficulties you are facing, and perhaps make you decide to never return back. There is however an international law which protects you from claiming your employment records, and the airline has 45 days to provide the information; Else they will be facing a ban to take more foreign pilots, and your case can be heard in any court of law preferably from your own origin nation, making sure if at all possible Ethiopian Airlines operates close by, to obtain an injunction that could put an embargo on the airline if your claim is not satisfied.

A visit to Aviation experts on safety and security from worldwide media may help publishing your story without undisclosing your name, make sure you are well documented and have a plan "B" in case of retaliation.

I would rather peel lemons in the Kalahari desert, if you are young, healthy and willing to live long, avoid this part of the world. Ethiopian Airlines co-pilot hijacks plane to seek Geneva asylum - BBC News (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26222674)

[Klimax]

1. If they don't then you can present YOUR resignation to any future employer.
2. Possibly an issue IF it's only on your Ethiopian licence.
3. Use you payslips to prove your employment.

[Dogged]

The company has now stopped paying the housing allowance because to many pilots are not returning from there GDOs.

[Cid30]

Same. No housing allowance paid.

[6000PIC]

So on the face of it we have Ethiopian Airlines , purchasing billions of dollars in both Boeing and Airbus equipment , claiming to be one of Africa`s safest and most successful airlines , all the while behaving in a shameful , unprofessional and potentially dangerous manner. What the hell are you doing there ? Leave. They don`t deserve you.

[MD80767 Driver]

And many will leave 6000PIC. But u dont apply to a new place on monday, and start on friday. No housing allowance for me either. And absolutely no info from ET in advance. Ejection seat armed.

[Dogged]

Some real issues will be coming up in the not to distant future. The Expat pilot group as a whole have all been deeply offended by the actions of upper management recently. Some pilots are and will not be returning from their GDOs as we have already seen. The real trouble will appear in 4 or 5 months, after many of us have had time to interview at other companies. When those resignations start to land on the Chief Pilots desk is when the real trouble with scheduling will start. We can only work so many hours and if more pilots leave, because of the erosion our quality of life, caused directly by the COO actions, I just can't see all the flights being covered.

[77heavy]

Same here, ejection seat ready, the schedule is going crazy, no house allowances, pushing to use us beyond limits. I will test their patience instead, hell for them.

[WrldWide]

A real shame things are on the current trajectory. Was considering giving up a ME gig to come over. Not now.

[MD80767 Driver]

W W......dont

[MD80767 Driver]

They are gonna have to improve on so many things. Pay....but first and foremost, mutual respect. There is none of that. None. Your contract is just a piece of paper. So are CAA limits. So are all manuals.

[Cid30]

So! The time has come.
E-mails begging/threatening expats to cut their 10 days off even further - due to crew shortage.

[MD80767 Driver]

Wow. What aircraft are you on Cid30? How's the wording in that email? I haven't received it.

[Trim Stab]

LLOL! No surprise then to see Ethiopian going the same way as every other African airline. Once the state subsidies get cut, the business model is unsustainable. Get out quick!

[MD80767 Driver]

Working on it TS :-) And so are many others.

[777-200LR]

Any recent updates? They’ve just ordered 4 freighters at the Dubai Air Show, going to have to treat the contracts with more respect or they can continue to watch everyone leave

[MD80767 Driver]

Let's just stop believing in Santa Claus while we're at it, shall we. Clear proof that nothing will change in ET, except to the worse. To people thinking about joining...grab a rifle and shoot yourself in both feet. You'll know, that at least you knew before you pulled the trigger, what you signed up for.

[Tango23]

Thank you all for the informative posts.

One thing I'm not was covered (maybe it was an I missed it), do they do conversion course for airbus pilots? or do we have to be type rated?

[Sucram]

What’s the latest for ex pat 787 DECS, is anyone happy there? There’s a big advert in flight international this week, so they’re obviously short, most of the feedback was good a couple of years ago, most posters on this thread seem pretty disgruntled now or is it the happy guys just aren’t posting anything.

[MD80767 Driver]

Sucram,

You can ask yourself; Why is a company, 'flagcarrier', with lots of 787 and A350 , constantly desperate for new pilots to crew them?

[Sucram]

Are you still there or have you gone back to Europe?

The problem is there are very few Airlines taking DEC 787 pilots on a 20/10 contract, on the face of it it seems reasonable but your reports are at odds with that.

[MD80767 Driver]

Yes, contract looks 'ok' on the face of it. But it isn't respected. Manuals are not respected. CAA limits are not respected. And if you, as the PIC insists on respecting them, you're in for abuse! Im still there, trying to get out. I'll give you this; If looking towards the East is not for you, maybe ET would be a way for you. But you WILL get terribly frustrated.

[Flaperon777]

What would you make say for 80 hours average in ET.
B787 Skipper.
Just curious. No mention anywhere in the adverts.

[Sucram]

MD80767 Driver

Thanks for the feed back and honest opinion, I’m just looking for a couple of years to finish my career having taken early retirement after 30years in a big European Airline, I’m sure the ET practices would be a big shock, now I know what to expect.

[MD80767 Driver]

Flaperon777. 80 hours; 9000 usd + 1250 usd Housing + 1200 usd per diem. Over 80 hs/month = 1/80'th overtime pay = 112 usd/hour

[Sucram]

More questions! How much do you reckon average rental costs you? Cheers

[italian stallion]

Sucram...if you share a house with 3 or 4 other expats expect to pay 400-600 usd per month, normally that comes with a driver and domestic service too, if you decide to do your stay in a hotel for your 20 days on then it will eat all your housing allowance and a little more

[Sucram]

Thanks for the info, just another one if you are 787 rated do they now withhold $15000 for six months for training?, I would have thought this was only for transfer to 777 but it is on the info sheet.

[MD80767 Driver]

I'll ask around Sucram. but, [email protected] is the lady to go to, for expat questions. She knows it all. Helen is mgr of Expat Recruitment. And a good girl

[Sucram]

Thanks a lot for the info

[Sucram]

One of the employees at Parc had told me that the $15000 is actually withheld from your pay over the first year and then not paid to you until 3 years is up even if you're rated and current on the 787,seems unfair seeing there is very little training cost involved and just a way of retaining you for at least 3 years, has anyone had actual experience of this or is it just particular to Parc?

[Yeweshet]

If dual rated on 777 or 787

USD 8,000 (USD Eight Thousand Only) for the Training Program. The training cost is intended to cover all costs and expenses related with Training Program. the Training Cost will be deducted and paid to Ethiopian, in twelve (6) equal monthly installments from the monthly salary of the Employee, Such Training Cost shall be returned (without interest) to the Employee only if the Employee has fully and effectively completed until the three (3) years’ Service Commitment period.
If rated on only 777 or 787

There is training cost USD 15,000 and it will be deductible from the employee 1st, one year salary and refundable after three years’ service.
But no training cost will be paid for B737, 757/767 or Q400 even if they will be in ground school for about a month.

And Basic salary covering the training period will be paid within six months on installment basis starting completion of the training program for B737, 757/767 or Q400.

[Sucram]

Thanks for the reply Yeweshet

So have I got this right?, if you are rated on the B787 there is a $15000 training cost!
Is this because they want to train you up on the B777 as well (is this compulsory even if you aren’t interested in flying the 777?) and the $15000 covers this. The $8000 is for the cost to get you on line for both 787 and 777 if you are dual rated so don’t need the conversion training ?

But if you are rated on one of the other types there is no training costs at all!

I am rated and a current Capt on the B787 and also rated on the B737 so I would be better applying for a B737 job?.........needless to say I far prefer the 787.

[Sucram]

Just one more question if anyone can help, is the pay tax free or tax paid as I see Ethiopian income tax is 35%, if it is tax paid it would be useful in off setting home income tax

[MD80767 Driver]

Sucram,

No tax deducted in Ethiopia. You can get a verification letter from ET, that tax is paid here, for use in your homecountry. I will repeat though, that you will get seriously frustrated here. All that you can trust here is basically the 20/10 roster and the salary. Everything else in ET, is a huge rubberband, always to the company's benefit

[Sucram]

Thanks for info 767 driver, much appreciated, best to know what the reality is and what you’re letting yourself in for before you commit. I really don’t like the sound of the $15000 training bond for an experienced 787 type rated guy though, that really doesn’t sound fair, can’t see a sim check and some line training costing anywhere near that!

[MD80767 Driver]

Hi Sucram,

That training bond, for an experienced 787 Capt, who is actually giving ET a huge present by bringing a rating and experience to ET 'for free', is just another example of what Im talking about... totally inexplicable and crazy. FYI, it will be stated in your contract, that "any dispute between the pilot and ET is to be resolved by the courts of Ethiopia"....Now, Ethiopian Airlines, Ethiopian CAA and the Ethiopian Government are all one and the same thing. If for some reason, the company decides to NOT pay you back your 'training bond' after 3 years here (I wouldn't be shocked)....who do you think would win that courtcase? Go figure. But let me remind you, that this is Africa.....

As an aside...Im on 767 (doh) - rated and experienced when I joined. NO training bond. Consistency or just management by fumbling in the blind, seeking new ways to keep people from leaving if they want ? There is your reason, that this guy will refuse to go on 777/787....because I would then have to pay usd 19.000 UP FRONT + another usd 19000 over 3 years..Now, do I trust, that I'll be paid back after 3 years of service ? Take my refusal to upgrade to 777/787 as my answer to that! I 'gave them' my rating and experience, and have done my service......Im not paying them when THEY want me to upgrade, after already having given them 'my rating and experience' for free once.....

Not much here, makes any sense for us Europeans/Americans. But that IS ET for ya'....

[Sucram]

Yes I think that the B787 “training” bond would have the complete opposite desired effect by putting people off applying rather than retaining people (especially if it doesn’t apply to other types). Maybe I would be better applying for the B737?.....(or maybe I should have stayed on the 767!)

[MD80767 Driver]

Don't apply for the 737 Sucram. Salary is usd 2000 lower than on the 787. Plus, you'll be worked to death. If you really wanna come, do go for the 787...but try to negotiate first. Talk to the Dir.Flt.Ops. I'll pm you his email

[skyrocket]

Hello,

A quick question please, do they overnight in Oslo or Stockholm?

Current

[MD80767 Driver]

Layover is in Oslo. Stockholm touch and go on the way to Oslo. But Oslo layover isn't much more than a touch and go either

[skyrocket]

I Would have thought there is 2 x 2 days/night and 3 x 1 night stop since they fly 5 days a week to OSL...Anyone on the B777 or B787 care to share info please.

[JammedStab]

How about info on the layover cities and layover times for the big jets. Mostly 48 hours or mostly 24 hours.

[MD80767 Driver]

Skyrocket, I was wrong. Oslo layover is around 30 hours. Hotel is at at Gardemoen, but plenty of time to jump on the train to Oslo

[skyrocket]

Thank You! I see they operate Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat/Sun......

[dustyskies]

How many days can you expect to be in ADD if you're doing a 20/10 roster on 777/787?

[Sucram]

How many days can you expect to be in ADD if you're doing a 20/10 roster on 777/787?

I've heard 5 to 6

[MD80767 Driver]

If you are lucky to be on 777 only, true. If on 787...a lot more day trips in Africa - so a lot more days in Addis. Thats what the guys tell me. One guy said, when he was only on 777, life was great. But as soon as he got crossqualified, it went south

[Keld]

Would any expats flying on the Q400 be willing to share their experience working for Ethiopian ?

[Trimaranus]

If you are lucky to be on 777 only, true. If on 787...a lot more day trips in Africa - so a lot more days in Addis. Thats what the guys tell me. One guy said, when he was only on 777, life was great. But as soon as he got crossqualified, it went south
It depends by the month. Some months you can log zero night in addis as (for example) European flights arrive in add in the morning and you are leaving again in the evening.
If you fly 777 and 787 you mostly fly the dreamliner and the normal figure is 3/4 nights a month.

[dustyskies]

Thanks guys......anyone commuting to North America here? The agency told me today ET would pay the tax for you. Do they issue a letter saying they did? Would be important for my income tax...

[MD80767 Driver]

Trimaranus,

Ok, I stand corrected. Although I may say, that some of the 787-only guys at my hotel seem to be in Addis much more than that. But I guess there are all kinds of variations.

Dustyskies,

Yes, ET will issue you a letter saying that all taxes in Ethiopia are paid

[dustyskies]

Does anyone know how ET is with extending the 10 days off with let's say 2 days leave?

[Sucram]

Yes, ET will issue you a letter saying that all taxes in Ethiopia are paid

Has anyone been able to get the HMRC in the U.K. to accept this?
......or anywhere else for that matter!?

[erma330]

Hi Guys,

Any true info about ET is recruiting A350 Captains? MD80767driver has ET got back to honor housing allowances?

Thanks

[MD80767 Driver]

Hi Guys,

Any true info about ET is recruiting A350 Captains? MD80767driver has ET got back to honor housing allowances?

Thanks

Erma, yes housing allowance solved. As to recruiting Expat A350 captains, let me check up on that. It would be news to me, but with all those planes arriving, it makes sense....be back.

[Keld]

Seems to be a black hole when it comes to any information about the Q400 operation at Ethiopian....yet they continually advertising for Cpts for the Q (various head hunting outfits posting ads), and now with Ethiopian recently ordering another 10 Q400s expanding their regional operations even more... they will need even more crews to operate this fleet...so does anyone out there have any insight if this is a good contract for expats or is this one to avoid ? Any feedback is appreciated.

[MD80767 Driver]

Keld,

Contract for Q400 is the same as for 737/767, i.e Basic salary usd 7000, housing pay usd 1250 and Perdiem usd 1200. Typically 4 legs a day, sometimes challenging airports. 20on/10off. 14 days of annual vacation. I know 2 Capts on Q400 - both seem to be reasonably happy.

[GTstar]

Hello everyone,

Any suggestion (chance) for a B737 PIC (7000hrs) upgrade to B777 PIC directly.
I know few years ago Qatar can give that chance from 737 to 777. But it seems impossible now.
And my friends told me if I pay B777 type rating by myself in Ethiopian,Then Ethiopian can put me on B777 for first 500 hours. Is this true? I went through all this Ethiopian infos, no body mentioned about that. Even someone rated has to pay 1,5000 for training.
Wide-body is my dream. Can any one give me any infos. How can I get there.I can get type-rating by myself.But all the airlines they request at least 500 hours or 1000 hours.

Many thanks!

[MD80767 Driver]

Hello everyone,

Any suggestion (chance) for a B737 PIC (7000hrs) upgrade to B777 PIC directly.
I know few years ago Qatar can give that chance from 737 to 777. But it seems impossible now.
And my friends told me if I pay B777 type rating by myself in Ethiopian,Then Ethiopian can put me on B777 for first 500 hours. Is this true? I went through all this Ethiopian infos, no body mentioned about that. Even someone rated has to pay 1,5000 for training.
Wide-body is my dream. Can any one give me any infos. How can I get there.I can get type-rating by myself.But all the airlines they request at least 500 hours or 1000 hours.

Many thanks!


Sorry, but forget that. You won't go on 777 unless you join ET with at least 500 PIC on777 . There is a seniority list here, and lots of 737/767 skippers in line, waiting for a move to 777/787

[GTstar]

Sorry, but forget that. You won't go on 777 unless you join ET with at least 500 PIC on777 . There is a seniority list here, and lots of 737/767 skippers in line, waiting for a move to 777/787


Seems the only way is stay in one company many years waiting chance.
Hope not too long.

Thank you very much

[7476]

Hi MD80767 driver , I have been following up the Ethiopian infos since long. I am about to retire as 744 cpt , and was very interested in ET , but like you said , one need 500 pic and a type rating. My question , I have also 5000+ hrs on 767 ,
but that was about 12 years ago.. the type rating expired since long. Would ET be interested in me , when I validated that 767 type rating again on my own ? Still , the ‘ last ‘ flight ( not simulator ) would be 12 years ago... I approached ET thru its expat recruiters , but got the official requirements. For info , I have 16500 hrs total , of 5000+ on 767 and 8500+ on 744 as cpt. Would appreciate Your opinion , as You seem very up to date with whats the reality within the airline , as You fly for them. Any ideas? Best regards.

[Sucram]

Anyone in the latest class of 777/787 expat skippers ?
PM sent..........

[MD80767 Driver]

Hi MD80767 driver , I have been following up the Ethiopian infos since long. I am about to retire as 744 cpt , and was very interested in ET , but like you said , one need 500 pic and a type rating. My question , I have also 5000+ hrs on 767 ,
but that was about 12 years ago.. the type rating expired since long. Would ET be interested in me , when I validated that 767 type rating again on my own ? Still , the ‘ last ‘ flight ( not simulator ) would be 12 years ago... I approached ET thru its expat recruiters , but got the official requirements. For info , I have 16500 hrs total , of 5000+ on 767 and 8500+ on 744 as cpt. Would appreciate Your opinion , as You seem very up to date with whats the reality within the airline , as You fly for them. Any ideas? Best regards.
Hi there 7476, I would think, that ET would want to consider you. Your 767 time is a long time ago, but your 744 time would make a move to 767 a breeze. I'll PM you with an email address. Brgds,

[Bola1]

My commute would be to the USA and see most of the flights stop in Lome Togo? I'm really interested in going more for the adventure than anything. Market Tabloid (https://markettabloid.com) I have previously experienced in Africa. Pompliano (https://heraldsheets.com/2019/10/22/anthony-pomplianos-6-crucial-warnings-as-bitcoin-enters-bull-market/)

[goman1]

Are there any 777/787 ladies and gents from the UK that can shed some light on the tax situation. Are you able to take the salary back to the UK tax free due to the dual taxation agreement? Any help is greatly appreciated.

[ETStar]

My commute would be to the USA and see most of the flights stop in Lome Togo? I'm really interested in going more for the adventure than anything. I have previously experienced in Africa.

ET flies to the US as follows:
- ADD-Lome-Newark
- ADD-Abidjan-Newark
- ADD-Dublin-Washington Dulles
- ADD-Dublin-Chicago
- ADD-Dublin-Los Angeles

If Toronto is an option for connections, it also does ADD-Dublin-Toronto

[4runner]

Hello everyone,

Any suggestion (chance) for a B737 PIC (7000hrs) upgrade to B777 PIC directly.
I know few years ago Qatar can give that chance from 737 to 777. But it seems impossible now.
And my friends told me if I pay B777 type rating by myself in Ethiopian,Then Ethiopian can put me on B777 for first 500 hours. Is this true? I went through all this Ethiopian infos, no body mentioned about that. Even someone rated has to pay 1,5000 for training.
Wide-body is my dream. Can any one give me any infos. How can I get there.I can get type-rating by myself.But all the airlines they request at least 500 hours or 1000 hours.

Many thanks!

You sound awesome. Maybe you can skip a seniority number by paying for it.

[MD80767 Driver]

You sound awesome. Maybe you can skip a seniority number by paying for it.

Not a chance in hell. Minimum 500 hours PIC on 777 when testing is what you need. You can join on 737, and wait for upgrade according to the Seniority list. Thats how it works.

[Boeing1234]

Hi,
I'm a B777 captain. European based, but soon to move to the US. Would you mind helping me with some of the following questions. I'd prefer not to take what the agency says on face value.

How long does the training take, and is it punitive.
Agency says $14000 per month. Should I assume that includes everything - pay, housing, per diem? I've seen an earlier breakup of an amount (it was less than $14K)
How difficult is housing to come by, or expensive is an hotel. When on trips, can you leave baggage in the hotel.
I've done the contract thing before, and learned how the little things make a difference - what food is available, and do they allow you to bring food into the country.
Tax. My understanding is that a tax certificate is only useful when there is a treaty between Ethiopia and your country of residence. Otherwise, it becomes a hindrance, as you become liable for tax in your home country for the 'gross' amount. From my reading, Ethiopia has double taxation treaties with only 10 other countries.
About how many hours do you average per month, and do you get to choose your days off - for example, Christmas
Is the economy, upgradable to business hit and miss, or is there usually a seat in business.
Thanks for any help

[Cyrano]

Sorry to come in late to this thread, but could someone clarify for me how ET crews its European operations?
For example:
ET712 ADD-MAD, arrive MAD 0510 local on days 1357
ET713 MAD-ADD, depart MAD 2225 local on days 1357
Do the crew have a day rest in MAD and then depart the evening of the day they arrived, or do they overnight 1-2 nights in MAD?

It's reported here (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281078/ethiopian-airlines-re-opens-los-angeles-bookings-from-mid-dec-2018-dublin-changes/) that ET will serve ADD-MAD-DUB from winter onwards and I'm trying to understand what the crewing pattern will be.

Thanks!
C.

[Trimaranus]

All europe flights (with a few exceptions) have minimum rest, you arrive in the morning and you depart in the evening

[4runner]

Not a chance in hell. Minimum 500 hours PIC on 777 when testing is what you need. You can join on 737, and wait for upgrade according to the Seniority list. Thats how it works.

i know. I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick.

[MD80767 Driver]

i know. I was laying on the sarcasm pretty thick.
Lool. Sorry

[777747]

Recently a Captain was docked 5 days pay for not accepting a flight with one hours notice. Docking of pay is not even in the contract. They make it up as they go.


Much more to it than just that. But yes he was docked.
Ive been docked $350 for not being contactable after legal rest. Mutual blame.
Its a "pager" airline, once you are legal turn your phone on and await the scheduling changes. Once you have had your legal rest be prepared for any and all possible flights.

[777747]

One of the employees at Parc had told me that the $15000 is actually withheld from your pay over the first year and then not paid to you until 3 years is up even if you're rated and current on the 787,seems unfair seeing there is very little training cost involved and just a way of retaining you for at least 3 years, has anyone had actual experience of this or is it just particular to Parc?


Apparently to get your ECAA ATPL you need to complete the full SIM course (5 sims and a check (Maybe 4 sims, can't remember), So even if you are current on the fleet you are applying for you will have to do the full SIM training in order to qualify for your ECAA ATPL. However if you resign and return at another date in the future for some reason, as some have done, then you only have to do much less training (something like Training SIM, Check SIM and a Line-Check) since you already have your ECAA ATP from before.

[777747]

Below Tax Letter will certainly open a can of worms. Its 777 Captain. 2016 is a full year 12 months. Im speculating it roughly equates to basic salary plus Housing and Perdiem (9000+1250+1250x 12 months). It definitely doesn't include OT and the biannual $5400.00. However Im speculating and really don't know how the amount was derived exactly. Im just showing what the CO provides and stamps.

[777747]

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[777747]

Are there any 777/787 ladies and gents from the UK that can shed some light on the tax situation. Are you able to take the salary back to the UK tax free due to the dual taxation agreement? Any help is greatly appreciated.

See tax letter attached to this thread.. Thats all you'll get. no official Government Issue tax letter or tax return, just the ET stamped letter. Will your country accept this is the Big Q!

[FMC OVERHEAT]

Do you guys get ZED tickets for use with other airlines? Cause Ethiopian doesn't fly to my home country.
I am considering to apply as a DEC B777.
​​​​​​
Cheers

[MD80767 Driver]

Do you guys get ZED tickets for use with other airlines? Cause Ethiopian doesn't fly to my home country.
I am considering to apply as a DEC B777.
​​​​​​
Cheers
Yes, but only on selected airlines. Strangely enough -ET is a Star Alliance member, but no ZED tickets available on the other Star Alliance member, that flies to my home country. PM me for a list of airlines, with whom you can travel on ZED tickets

[FMC OVERHEAT]

Thanks MD! Just sent you a PM

[dignified]

Avoid, avoid, avoid. !!!
I do not get it, plenty of jobs in Europe and you planning on dark Africa?
Talk to the Pilot Union, Ethiopian is corrupted, they violate every rule of ECAA, overwork their own local crews, disrespect rest times, and flying time limitations, they pretend they like to see pilot reports, nothing changes, you are caving into a dark hole and no protection whatsoever; Most recently the U.S Embassy posted some issues with Tifus and contaminated water, apart from checks on arrival about Ebola Virus spreading fast as Ethiopian cover several Congolese destinations. B737 flying is the most perilous, new copilots, new Captains, difficult network, lost of feedback on hard landings, and tail strikes, training is weak, management non existent, they are busy covering audits from IOSA, CAAC and others like GCAA in Dubai and Israel, about to decertify them for poor compliance of rules and procedures. Hard evidence on all these allegations for those who dare to discredit comment. And to answer your question, no days off during induction, you are looking at six weeks of training and then 20 days of continuos flying before you taste the 10 days off you are probably looking for.

[Trimaranus]

Hi everyone,

Apologies in advance if these questions are repetitive but I have checked the forums and can't seem to find the answers. If anyone can help I would very much appreciate it. I sent a couple of PM'S too ;)

Anyone have a rough time frame for getting on line on the 737? Are we talking like 30-40 days,assuming minimum sectors? And would I then need to do the 20 days on before going on the regular roster? I'm trying to gauge how long I would be in country after starting,before getting home. As we are coming into the Christmas now I am trying to juggle a couple of things. I am due in Addis next week. I figured I'd probs be there till mid January. I know...how long is a piece of string right?

Another biggie for me...if I wanted to get my missus down for new years, is there any staff travel for family or is that after completing training or a certain time? I do not have much experience with ZED travel or ID90 as I worked for a LCC for 10 years so it wasn't really in the vocabulary.

With regards the accommodation situation, as I understand it, they will cover the hotel for 30 days or until completing training? If they are not paying salary until you are line checked, I may have to pay for accommodation before seeing any wages? It's a little vague.

Having said that,I'm looking forward to the trip and I appreciate any help y'all can offer. Feel free to PM me!

Cheers.

regarding ID-ZED you have 6 round trip tickets per year. On new contract they removed the 2 business class tickets. So now only economy ones.
they also decreased salaries by 10% by removing the 6 months bonus (which now comes after 3 years) and removed the other bonus that was paid yearly after the third year of service.
they are in an endemic shortage that is producing scheduling monster. (The last is a cargo new york round trip from europe with no rest in the usa!) it use to be a decent place to work but now the operational fatigue is beyond any acceptable limit

[BeGuidedAccordingly]

Bumping this thread....any news about situation in Ethiopian?

[MD80767 Driver]

As usual, Trimaranus has got it right. And nothing has changed since his last post

[MD80767 Driver]

Boeing 1234, Really, 14.000?? Is that what the agencies say? Basic for a 777 capt is 9.000. And thats a fact.

[4runner]

We had ET maintenance after we quit paying Lufthansa and terminated SAA technical. Lufthansa replaced parts without diagnosing faults, SAA could fix anything, anywhere and ET thought they were better than anyone else yet couldn’t fix or replace anything.

[BeGuidedAccordingly]

Hi,

How long is the linetraining on the 737? Heard a rumour that its 150 hours nowadays after the accident?

[MD80767 Driver]

That must be for FO's or new Capt's. Certainly not for experienced 737 DEC's joining the company

[BeGuidedAccordingly]

Ok, thanks,

[snak]

Any update on current Ethiopian situation on 777/787?

environment/salary/shifts/days off

[MD80767 Driver]

No changes on T&C's. Rumors are that 777 has enough pilots (due recent influx og pilots from Etihad and Jet Airways) but that, if you've got 500 hours on 787, you are welcome

[skyrocket]

MD80767Driver,

Thank you for your continuous update. Some rumors has it that there is a small exodus of pilots lately. Any truth to this?

Thanks,
Skyrocket

[Doppio]

What take home salary can I expect to make as a DEC B737?

[MD80767 Driver]

Skyrocket,

Yes, some people going to Vietnam, some retirements.

Doppio, Basic USD 7.000 + USD 1.200 per diem sent to your bank of choice. Another USD 1250 in housing,paid to your bankaccount in Ethiopia

[Flying Clog]

WHAT!? For a 737 Captain? And people are turning up for that salary?

[MD80767 Driver]

Yes. From all over the world. Sad but true. Good thing is - taxes are paid by ET..

[Oceansailer]

Anybody know what the double taxation v tax paid certificate actually means for a UK resident commuting contract pilot. How much if any UK tax will need to be paid?
cheers

[MD80767 Driver]

Oceansailor,

I'll ask one of our UK pilots. Be back to you.

[italian stallion]

Hi there
May I ask what is the average flying day on B737 fleet?
thanks

[MD80767 Driver]

Heyy Italian Stud..ehhm..Stalion

As far as I know, it's a mix of mostly 2 legs around Africa and the Middle East, and a few 4 leg days close by. They used to easily reach 110 hours/month but latest news is that its more relaxed at the moment. 80-90 hours, 100 tops. Must be the grounded Max's. Best personal regards to you :-)

[clb2vnav]

Hi all.
Any info on the Ethiopian-run operations in Mozambique and Chad? Sounds like they need lowly Q drivers like myself. :}

[Realinfo]

Hi All,
The reality on the ground! Ethiopian Airlines
For B777 or 787 Captain position
New applicants must have at least a minimum of 2500hrs PIC and at least 500hrs on type (777 or 787).
2 days assessment in Addis Ababa
1 month training (Average),
$$$$$$$$$ 11,450 (All in USD except the housing allowance which is payed in Ethiopia Birr "its equivalent to 1250 USD") + OT (USD), - training bond
more information ?????? .......................... :)

[Trimaranus]

Real 777.787 salary(USD) is as follows:
9000 basic
1200 perdiem (60/day for 20 days)
1250 housing (paid in local currency)
2 yearly bonus of 5400 USD
overtime exceeding 80 hrs 112.5 USD.

anything different you see on the web is a mistake or a lie,
old contracts had an yearly 9000 usd after the third year of service. now they removed it but people keep coming....

[JettJockey]

I am considering applying...:

Does anyone know the 777/787 schedules ? What do you fly in those 20 days on.
Is 14 days of yearly leave serious ?
is housing good and safe enough to actually move with your spouse to Addis ?
What could you rent there for US$1250 ?

[flybj]

Hi All

With regard to 777 DEC, other than the firm tickets to and from work, what other staff travel perks do you get, for you and direct family, ie wife and kids, and what other airlines are available, for eg, is Emirates available as an option via staff travel?

Thanks in advance.

[Trimaranus]

777 roster is basically all over the world except australia and beyond. You will be double rated on 787 also and flying usa/south america europe asia africa and middle east. Both pax and cargo.
14 days are real vacation, better if requested in advance. sometimes you get them as you want sometimes not as in any airline.
addis used to be a very safe city, now the situation is a bit worse and it s better not to go out alone at night.
frankly i would not bring my wife here but not only for the safety.
the housing allowance is not enough to have a house or apartment for you only unless you go outside the city ftom where you need a lifetime to go to work at peak hours.
ticket benefit are 6 round trip/year for you and wife/children with ethiopian and other airline through zed agreements.
this does not include your monthly ticket home after the 20 days

[flybj]

Many Thanks Trimaranus, much appreciated. do you happen to have any updated info on the interview process, such as the interview itself, and the sim ride?

Thanks Again

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Following as I have been called out for assessment next week 737. Only just found this thread and wondering what I've done LOOL!

[revertedrubber]

Any South African's flying for Ethiopian utilising this "income tax agreement" between South Africa and Ethiopia and the tax certificate provided by the company to avoid double taxation in South Africa or maybe to reduce tax?

[MD80767 Driver]

I'll just say that everything that Trimaranus says, is spot on. Except, that I live very nicely in Addis on the USD 1250 in housing money. Problem for me, is more the Per Diem...in Hong Kong, Oslo and such places, USD 60 in Per Diem, does not cut it.

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Do you get a hat? Lol! Ay ay ay!

[MD80767 Driver]

Unfortunately yes

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Lol! Anyone ever put any money in it? While I have your attention, do you know if the 73 jockeys night stop down route or back to base every night? Was wondering whether you possibly could stretch the allowance to fund the hotel instead of arranging something longer term.

[snak]

any idea on how many 777/787 skippers are needed? looks like recruitment is in full swing for quite long time...

[MD80767 Driver]

WCFowler, Lol, there are some nightstops on 737 as far as I know. But also a lot of go/returns. Snak, can't give you any numbers. I can only say that they never seem to get tired of new 737 and 777/787 folks here.

[MD80767 Driver]

WCFowler, Lol, there are some nightstops on 737 as far as I know. But also a lot of go/returns. Snak, can't give you any numbers. I can only say that they never seem to get tired of new 737 and 777/787 folks here.

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Graçias MD! Just noticed the green uniform FFS! Gets better n better.......

[MD80767 Driver]

Hahaha....when I show up at Lufthansa checkin at my home airport, ladies there call me "Der Frosch" (The Frog)

[Zymian]

Hi guys,
I’m currently on the left seat 330. About 4500 hours PIC on type and 15000 hours total. Are ET hiring 330 guys for CCQ to the 350?
thanks in advance

[pinosca]

Hello evybody!
Anyone has deep info regarding interview questions and SIM ck sillabus?
I'd really appreciate.
Thanks

[MD80767 Driver]

Soory Zymian. Only at least 500 PIC on A350 will do it for you. Buddy of mine, with 'your hours' got rejected last month.

[MD80767 Driver]

My info is 3 years old. But it was an easy interview, 3-5 Technical question about your Aircraft type. Then some talk about your carreer, and why you wanna join ET. That was it. Then a 1 hour Sim ride, only the basic stuff that you do every 6 months in the Sim. Airport, somewhere not complicated, usually your choice.

[Zymian]

Thanks for the update.

The company seems to be going places. Bumped into their crew on layovers in PEK and HKG.

[pinosca]

Thank you buddy!! I'll be there soon for interview. Hopefully I'll get the same easy way.
Pheraphs do you know anybody who did it recently?
Anything about the medical ck?
Thanks

[MD80767 Driver]

I'll see if I can find someone who has done it more recently. Medical check....2-3 hours, the usual stuff. Bring a heartbeat. If you can pass in Europe, you'll pass in ET for sure.

[pinosca]

Thank you very much!!
I appreciate

[Vayu]

MD80767 Driver

I was planning to leave Vietnam for Ethiopian 😳. For a shorter commute to Europe.........

[Celestar56]

Hi Trimaranus

​​​I am planning to go for their interview soon for 77/78.. Could you help me out in a few questions?

1. The ET CAA ATPL is it recognised worldwide.. To your knowledge, are there any companies that don't reconise this lic.

2. You mentioned 1250 isn't enuff to get a small apartment to stay alone? Are the rents there really high?

3. My next question is related to the first one.. How many days will guys get at base?

4. THere was talk of OT shooting past 100 hrs during the 20 day stint... Is it still happening?

Any other info, you haven't already told us would be appreciated.

Thanks everyone for contributing.

[DHC6to8]

I see Ethiopian is recruiting Q400 drivers still. Is this old news, or is it legit?
For Chad and Mozambique.
thanks

[snak]

all recruitment are suspended UFN...

[NoodleDriver]

I understand all recruitment has been suspended but also hearing all Foreign pilots were furloughed as well.

Any clarifications on the FP status from anyone in the know would be appreciated.

[Trimaranus]

there has been some months of unpaid leave, some contract Has not been renewed and everybody (expats) had around 40% of pay cut.
many guys who did not complete the initial training are at home ufn. New hiring stopped

[captain.weird]

Did they transfer your fleet from 737 to 777/787 skipper? If yes, what were the requirements for that?

[up_down_left_right]

Hi, I have an interview, this week for a Q4 CP position for Chad/Mozambique? has Anyone else received an interview? Can anybody shed any light on the interview. It will be online. Any info or pointers are much appreciated.

[hamil]

Hi,

Any update about pilot recruitment this year or beginning of 2022?

Cheers.

[snak]

With the war going on, it's unlikely to see ET recruiting anytime soon...

[pfvspnf]

Everything is fine in the country club , outside is a different story. Many problems here