Mas A380 Fleet go's up for sale

[41queenspark]

So things are about to get more interesting for the A380 and it's poor sales to date.Today Mas has put its fleet of A380 aircraft for sale to restructure its finances,that's six A380 aircraft about to hit the used market or lease market.Now we will know soon if can be of interest to Airlines who can't buy new or to the lease market.Maybe Turkish airlines may try a couple before they buy.

[Diverskii]

My immediate thoughts were TK taking a couple on lease. But I seem to remember them saying a few weeks ago they definitely weren't interested. No doubt they have already been offered the Skymark ones at a very good price.

[PLAMALTN]

Correct - Their CEO stated a week or 2 back that they weren't interested. But if the price is right, anything is possible I guess.

Aircraft were delivered from May 2012 onwards.......Will be interesting to see where these whales end up

[highflyer40]

I bet EK takes them up

[PLAMALTN]

Out of interest, and purely a wild and rash remark, but have Saudia ever shown interest in 380s or are they geared more towards the 77W?

I reckon one of the ME3, most likely EK.

[41queenspark]

The A380s are 841 type with Rolls Royce Trent engines fitted will Emirates take them because at the moment they use the 861 model with Alliance GP7270 engines. Will Emirates buy early before the last fifty A380s they have on order with Trent engines arrive

[chinapattern]

Perhaps airlines who have previously expressed interest in the A380 might be tempted if they can get a good deal? Vietnam Airlines, Transaero, Turkish, Air Austral and even Royal Air Maroc spring to mind.

[kcockayne]

That's not a very prestigious list of airlines, is it ? Can't help but think that things look very bad for the A380 !
Let's hope that UAE come through on the (possible) future version.

[cornishsimon]

Considering the slot issue at LHR perhaps BA ?

[kcockayne]

cornishsimon

Regrettably, I very much don't think so.

[41queenspark]

Mas A380s are 841 models with Trent engines Ek are 861 with Alliance engines,can't see Ek taking them

[carlrsymington]

This is a topic that really interests me.
A real aviation thriller!
I'm referring to the future of the A380 rather than "841 models with Trent engines"

[41queenspark]

The real test here is six used A380s are going up for sale or lease, the A380 program is on life support from EK. What we are about to learn is what is the market like for a used or lease like for the A380 if they find new owners easily that's a positive for the aircraft, if not new or used A380s have very limited buyers

[Skipness One Echo]

Emirates have just switched to Rolls Royce with the latest order last week.....

BA don't really want any more I think, they only work on a select few routes with them.

[carlrsymington]

Another twist

[alserire]

What's the issue with them? Why so unpopular?

[nonfrequentflyer_NCL]

Get them to Jet2 so Shaun whatsisface can be happy

[Logohu]

A380 - loved by the passengers, but for the airlines it only appeals to a select group of operators who can really fill them in and out of their major hubs. For most airlines the A380 doesn't stack up against economics and flexibility of the big twin-engine types. So in it's current form it has become a bit of a niche aircraft.

Reminds me a bit of the VC-10 - passengers loved them for their quiet cabin and smooth ride, but the airlines went for the economics and performance of other types.

[racedo]

Wonder is there someone wanting to start a Transatlantic operation with the right aircraft at the right price around ?

[Fairdealfrank]

BA don't really want any more I think, they only work on a select few routes with them.



A380 - loved by the passengers, but for the airlines it only appeals to a select group of operators who can really fill them in and out of their major hubs. For most airlines the A380 doesn't stack up against economics and flexibility of the big twin-engine types. So in it's current form it has become a bit of a niche aircraft.

Reminds me a bit of the VC-10 - passengers loved them for their quiet cabin and smooth ride, but the airlines went for the economics and performance of other types.


For most routes and carriers the A380 is just too much plane. It also has a problem that the hold is full of pax baggage, so not enough room for (lucrative) cargo. So the A380 is limited to pax heavy/cargo light routes.

Might the B747-8 have been a better alternative for carriers like BA?

[crewmeal]

For most routes and carriers the A380 is just too much plane. It also has a problem that the hold is full of pax baggage, so not enough room for (lucrative) cargo. So the A380 is limited to pax heavy/cargo light routes.


Which makes you wonder why they were built in the first place. Perhaps one day there will be a cargo version similar to the AN225 that will make money.

MAS's problems will be compounded when BA restart KUL with the 787. Interesting times ahead for MAS

[STATSMAN]

Could the runway at Kemble take a landing 380 no take off???

[Andy_S]

Which makes you wonder why they were built in the first place.

I've always had a suspicion that Airbus were determined to design and build an aircraft bigger than anything Boeing could offer.

[El Bunto]

It also has a problem that the hold is full of pax baggage, so not enough room for (lucrative) cargo. So the A380 is limited to pax heavy/cargo light routes.Compared to the 777-300 and 747-8 that is true.

Compared to the 747-400, the A380 has more volume after bags. I don't recall people claiming that the -400 was only appropriate for pax-heavy routes.

BA and Lufthansa are good examples of when to deploy each of the big quads as appropriate. Each can make lots of lovely money when used to its capabilities.

[Mr A Tis]

Considering BA, KL , LH & others are still operating 25+ year old B744s there may well be a market for a short/medium term lease until their own new metal arrives.

[spacedog]

The aircraft does not have enough belly space to maximise revenue.
There are only 2 extra container spaces compared to a B747-400.
Given there are an extra 150 passengers all with bags on a full flight leaves little or no room for cargo. I think MAS will struggle to offload their 6 airframes.

[cheesebag]

Jet2 might take them in about 30 years :p

Seriously, could we see the plug eventually pulled on both the 380 and 748 ?

[Chidken Sangwich]

Has anyone considered that this may just be a 'sale and lease back'?

[crewmeal]

Meanwhile back on track it seems that they are selling/leasing more than the 380's. It seem they want rid of ALL they long haul operations.

Malaysia Airlines fleet restructuring - Leeham News and Comment (http://leehamnews.com/2015/04/30/malaysia-air-fleet-restructuring/)

[1-11days]

Just wondering that given the A380 struggles with cargo and is "too much plane" is there any scope for a combi version or is it too complex a job?