QF A380 off jacks?

[crow17]

Rumour......Rumour. .....Rumour.

Heard today a QF A380 had an incident while on jacks in Syd.

Did it come off or not?

CROW.

[dragon man]

Yes, could be out for two weeks.

[Going Boeing]

If that's true' they'll be calling on International Rescue yet again. They'll probably have to delay sending the next B744 to Victorville.

[1a sound asleep]

Scheduling is in deep trouble

[framer]

I thought they jacked themselves ?
( talking about the new planes, not scheduling )

[hotnhigh]

Big picture people, you are losing focus.

The Net promoter scores from the ever reducing passenger numbers carried on qf metal are fabulous and the engagement levels of customer facing staff have never been better.

Just ask us, we'll tell you.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[TBM-Legend]

Couldn't have been QF engineers involved.....

[mustafagander]

The jungle drums say that the aircraft will be out for at least a month, and that's from an optimist.

The problem apparently is fallout from the migrated bush in the horizontal stab repair job which led to a cracked brace being discovered in the area and temp repaired until this hangar visit.

This job required the a/c to be jacked and leveled and the stab to be jacked with enough load to take its weight. When the stab jacking process had barely started there was a nasty bang and bits started raining down. The four jack loadings required had been calculated independently by a couple of well qualified people who had done the same job recently. A mystery right now is how the jack points failed so spectacularly with such low loadings, nothing like the final load required.

[Bootstrap1]

Well at least QF have a good history of repairing aircraft with damage out of the ordinary.
I doubt this will be any different.

[Ngineer]

I heard a similar story Mustafagander, looks like you might be on the money. Also heard a suggestion for an ops manager per Dugong to try and keep the Maint in check.

[Gas Bags]

1 Dugong 1 Manager....WTF....Keep piling on the layers! What is that now 5 or 6 levels of oversight prior to people on the floor. Thats the way back to profitability.

[Fris B. Fairing]

Hope it's not Nancy.

[megan]

A mystery right now is how the jack points failed so spectacularly with such low loadings, nothing like the final load requiredkilogram v pound error?

[TWT]

Fris,according to the media (yeah,I know), it is 'Sir Charles Kingsford Smith'
(VH-OQF)

[mustafagander]

Megan, I very much doubt that it's a Kg vs Lb error. Can you imagine the French using anything other than SI units??? Sacre bleu! :ok:

[Fjholden]

OQF out to June at this stage...

[ACMS]

OQF was the backdrop in the Anzac Day celebrations held today in the Maint hangar. That explains the availability of an A380 !!!

[Buckshot]

Here's an image of the Gallipoli event from Australian Aviation twitter feed.

There seems to be some damage visible in the horizontal stabilizer.

https://twitter.com/AusAviation/status/590027670454292480

[Fris B. Fairing]

How deliciously ironic that an aeroplane named in honour of Sir Charles Kingsford Smith should, one hundred years after the event being celebrated, finally get to display the name ANZAC.

In 1934, Smithy had sought to honour his fellow ANZACs by bestowing this very name on the Lockheed Altair with which he planned to represent Australia in the 1934 Centenary Air Race from London to Melbourne. The outcome was described by P.G. Taylor in his 1935 book "Pacific Flight":

After some days of negotiation, the machine was registered and we were permitted to fly her within three miles of Mascot aerodrome. The name "ANZAC", together with the entire lacquered surface below it, was removed in the presence of a Customs officer whose duty it was to see that the name was obliterated before the machine was cleared, and she was christened Lady Southern Cross, a good name.

[Bootstrap1]

Idiots. If you can see any damage you have better eyes than me.

[KrispyKreme]

Bootstrap, was thinking the exact same thing ! No obvious damage in that photo ! Good to see my eyes are not failing me

[Tangan]

Bootstrap1.....if you look at the inboard leading edge of the horizontal stabilizer you will see that it has a 15-20 degree bend in it. That is not normal and would indicate there is indeed structural damage. Best you don't label people as "idiots" until you really know what you're talking about.

[Capn Bloggs]

you will see that it has a 15-20 degree bend in it. That is not normal
This one's also not normal...
http://www.dubai-report.de/bilder/a380.jpg

and this one too!
http://windows10free.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Airbus-A380-Background.jpg

:}

[KrispyKreme]

Tangan,

What are you talking about? The Stab is currently up position if you are getting your 15-20deg from that.

Here is a better pic to compare

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000TQQ4WNn_PSg/fit=1000x750/Slemp-090731-8532.jpg

[Bootstrap1]

I stand by my idiot comment. The stab is not bent. And in that AA image the damage is not visible.

[Going Boeing]

Silverado, can you elaborate on the damage?

[ACMS]

Leading edge looks normal, underneath there "could" be something about half way back, between the bright light stripes from the hangar door? Could also be a reflection......:cool:

[p.j.m]

underneath there "could" be something about half way back, between the bright light stripes from the hangar door? Could also be a reflection......:cool:

yeah, looks sus

http://i.imgur.com/CjWuHkF.jpg

[p.j.m]

A mystery right now is how the jack points failed so spectacularly with such low loadings, nothing like the final load required.

More cracks in Qantas A380 wings!

[Ultralights]

really? is that the pic of the so called damage? that just happens to line up with the light passing through the gap in the hangar door.... i dont see any significant damage in that pic. and why would there be any damage there? unless it fell onto a docking, which is normally removed during jacking operations.

[Capt Fathom]

Do you think that during this public gathering, Qantas would display an aircraft with a hole in the stab? If there was a hole or visible damage, it would have been covered over!
Nothing to see here!

[Fliegenmong]

Do you think that during this public gathering, Qantas would display an aircraft with a hole in the stab?


Do you think they'd ground an airline :eek:!....Anyway what Journo is going to notice the LHS A320 rear wing vent? :8

[Capt Quentin McHale]

Better get an "expert" in........... Geoffrey, you out there???


McHale.

[ConcernedLAME]

If that photo was taken on 19/4 and I'm pretty sure that is OQF ... Them I'm pretty sure it's broken in the pic ..Rib 6 and Rib 20 I believe ... They are counted from the centre of the stab for you One eyed Boeing Boys

[ConcernedLAME]

If that photo was taken on 19/4 and I'm pretty sure that is OQF ... Then I'm pretty sure it's broken in the pic ..Rib 6 and Rib 20 I believe ... They are counted from the centre of the stab for you One eyed Boeing Boys

[Capn Bloggs]

for you One eyed Boeing Boys
Just because we are one-eyed doesn't mean you need to post twice! :}

[hotnhigh]

Was this part of new aircraft, less scheduled maintenance program that Alan has been championing over the last few years? i.e. do nothing unless its completely stuffed.

Seems its stuffed.

Interesting result either way.:ooh::ooh::ooh:

[lowstandard]

I'm a little dyslexic and read the thread title backwards. So its not about A380 self gratification..

[bb744]

Even though I am on the aircraft, and love it to bits, it is just like any other, it does not self repair, it self destructs. Its how you manage it that counts!!!!

[1a sound asleep]

Latest is it could be July before it flies again. Not enough room in the fleet to have a single whalejet out of action as others will need maintenance and be out as well.

Oh maybe we should have kept a spare 744 or two?:=

[dragon man]

OJM is off to HKG at the end of the month. Rumour has it for a D check. Anyone confirm?

[Ngineer]

Is there an action plan yet?

[TWOTBAGS]

Maybe they need to send the engines back to Wollongong and repo OJA from HARS for a couple months..... :E

[Going Boeing]

Silverado, the word that I'm hearing is that the damage was caused by a faulty gauge on a jack - it was under-reading the force being applied. Can you confirm that and elaborate on it?

[top-lame]

Another version; It was a "Divide x 10 error".
If so, 'What is the difference between a Draftsman's inadvertent error AND a mechanic's bloody carelessness.' ??

[CurtainTwitcher]

Root Cause Analysis - The Loss of the Mars Climate Orbiter (http://www.thinkreliability.com/CM-MarsCO.aspx)