Another CASA lie wrt Part 61

[djpil]

From CASA's Part 61 pilot licensing booklet (in big bold letters:):
All flight crew will retain their current flying privileges throughout and following the 1 September 2014 transition.

Anyone who had a formation endorsement and an aerobatic endorsement prior to 1 September 2014 had the privilege of conducting formation aerobatics.

There is a new flight activity endorsement called formation aerobatics and a corresponding new training endorsement for instructors. We expected a straightforward transition to the same privileges with a Part 61 licence but CASA's form 61-9TX for the transition to a Part 61 licence has neither of these endorsements listed to claim.

I have heard a rumour that CASA has denied formation aerobatic endorsements. Anyone else?

Incidentally, CASA has a new definition of aerobatics.

[Arm out the window]

Form + aeros separately is a far cry from form aeros, so I think it's a good call.

Having said that, if you already have form aeros experience, then you should be able to claim it if it's in your logbook, by putting in the appropriate form and asking for it.

[Humbly Reserved]

I've had my privileges reduced to nothing under the new system.

Under CAR5 I had the approval to give training for formation, aerobatics and spinning. Combine this with a Grade one instructor rating and you can train instructors.,

Under the new system I only have my Flight Activity Endorsement with no training approvals attached to my instructor rating.

Called CASA they are currently "looking into the situation" Although they refused to issue me with a form aerobatic FA endo (despite the qualification not existing under CAR5 as well as around 30 hours of experience of it)

Looks like it's gonna turn into another **** fight

[5-in-50]

Expect them to be 'looking into it' for a while. I hear there's a building backlog of Part-61 related forms in the CLARC offices, as pilots submit copious numbers of forms to satisfy the Part-61 requirements.

Want a Flight Review? 3 forms
Want an RPL? 6-7 forms to complete for that...

[Old Akro]

Anyone who had a formation endorsement and an aerobatic endorsement prior to 1 September 2014 had the privilege of conducting formation aerobatics.

I have been given a formation endorsement, but not a formation aerobatic endorsement. I did ask for one (yes DJP - a bit cheeky).

The trouble is that very few people can demonstrate formation aerobatics endorsements or experience. I was coached in formation aerobatics by the late (great) Ken McKechnie (part of the Skydancers aerobatic team). But I only entered aerobatics in my log.

But then again, I'm still battling CASA to get ME currency listed on my licence. They gave me SE currency based on my last MECIR test, but I'm having trouble getting them to accept that doing a command instrument rating test in a multi-engine aircraft counts as a flight review in a multi-engine aircraft and not just a single engine aircraft. So far its taken 2 phonecalls and resubmission of certified copies of all the same documents as they got last time.

All of this started for me because on December 4 2014, I applied to renew my Thai licence, for which CASA need to confirm to the Thai DCA that my Australian licence is current. On March 22 and despite at least 3 follow up requests from the Thai DCA, this has still not been done.

[717tech]

I lost my Aerobatic and formation endorsements with my new licence, even though I filled out the correct documentation.

Contacted CLARC and had to submit yet another form... :ugh: standing by for another email saying I missed a full stop or the moon wasn't aligned correctly when I hit "send".

[josephfeatherweight]

I lost my Aerobatic and formation endorsements with my new licence, even though I filled out the correct documentation.

Contacted CLARC and had to submit yet another form... standing by for another email saying I missed a full stop or the moon wasn't aligned correctly when I hit "send".

Same happened to me, had to submit another form too. Do they know this isn't working?

[thorn bird]

"Do they know this isn't working?"

Ahh but two things are certain, Taxes and DEATH.

CAsA is in no hurry, in the fullness of time all of you squawking will have passed on.

Peace and tranquillity restored to the hallowed halls of Fort Fumble, too much valuable time dealing with winging pilots no longer wasted leaving the experts free to get on with writing ever increasing volumes of regulations.

I believe there is a competition between CAsA and the ATO regarding the volume of regs.

[djpil]

Thanks for the info from others. I'll make sure I fill in the forms correctly and provide the cover letter (as CASA requested) regarding formation aerobatics stuff. From what people have said they may reject it or overlook it.

From this document on the CASA website http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/lib100191/part%2061_transition_provisions.pdf
‘Continuation of an old authorisation’ means pilots can continue to exercise the privileges of their old CAR Part 5 authorisation until they receive their new Part 61 authorisation.So, for example, I am currently authorised to (and I do) instruct (I often use the word coach) formation aerobatics with my CAR 5 licence so may continue to do so even if CASA gives me a Part 61 licence without a formation aerobatics training endorsement.

I wouldn't fill in another form etc, just refer them to the info I provided first time around - I can wait while the transitional rule remains in place.

I can see why some of my friends have given up flying for sailing or just visit the USA occasionally for their flying "fix".

Old Akro - I don't believe you were cheeky - continue with it, you were coached well (and legally) to a good standard then.

Incidentally, perhaps a good idea to brush up on CASA's definition of aerobatics prior to Part 61 (don't need to go upside down) and recall all those formation flights pottering around which would've actually included aerobatics and correct the logbook entries. Notwithstanding Arm out the window's valid comment "Form + aeros separately is a far cry from form aeros" but I'm still waiting to see the safety case for this new endorsement. Especially given the slackening of low level aerobatic endorsements in the context of regular fatalities.