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alisoncc
6th Mar 2015, 00:38
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_10/917936/150315_harrison-ford-jsw-636p_d96bc9e19370fdf9463150f621ffc743.nbcnews-ux-680-440.JPG

Harrison Ford Reported Fair After Plane Crash - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harrison-ford-injured-plane-crash-n318301)

Jeez, he's messed that one up real big. But he's okay.

Fantome
6th Mar 2015, 00:53
The plane he was piloting crash landed on a California golf course. The actor, who was conscious and breathing when rescue crews reached him, was stabilized and taken to a hospital, where he was in fair to moderate condition, authorities said. Sources said he sustained cuts to his head. There was no word on other injuries or what caused the plane to crash about 2:20 p.m. (5:20 p.m. ET). It appeared he was flying solo.


"We are very thankful that the passenger had [only] very moderate injuries," Los Angeles Assistant Fire Chief Patrick Butler said.


struth . . . in California the reporting is just as crook as here in Tallarook


When you consider the excellent video clips of Ford giving the soundest advice to pilots about the essence of competent airmanship, maybe it was largely bad luck

who said "if there's going to be an accident, give me absence of body over presence of mind: every time." ?

GrumpyOldFart
6th Mar 2015, 01:29
So he landed on a golf course. At least there'd be plenty of doctors around...


:E

onetrack
6th Mar 2015, 01:30
You mean to tell me Indiana Jones just didn't step out of the wreckage without a scratch, dust himself down, and say, "That belongs in a museum!!" ....

fleigle
6th Mar 2015, 02:25
GOF
You nailed it on the Drs around, they took care of him until the paramedics arrived.

Fantome, whats wrong with that reporting???, not sensationalistic... you Aussies sure seem to be a sarcastic lot...

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strake
6th Mar 2015, 04:04
If you want to see the highest standards of journalism at work, take a look at the Daily Mail online report. They managed to get the name of the aircraft he was flying correct but after that, it all goes downhill pretty fast...

Harrison Ford rushed to hospital in critical condition after crashing his vintage plane into golf course | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2981920/Harrison-Ford-rushed-hospital-critical-condition-crashing-vintage-plane-golf-course.html)

Solid Rust Twotter
6th Mar 2015, 06:27
"We are very thankful that the passenger had [only] very moderate injuries," Los Angeles Assistant Fire Chief Patrick Butler said.


There's your problem. Might have worked better if there was a pilot on board too.


Sad to see the damage to the old girl.

david1300
6th Mar 2015, 06:28
GOF
You nailed it on the Drs around, they took care of him until the paramedics arrived.

Fantome, whats wrong with that reporting???, not sensationalistic... you Aussies sure seem to be a sarcastic lot...

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I thought that reporting was very good. Very factual, no speculation, no dramatic language. Wish there was more like it. :D

Buster Hyman
6th Mar 2015, 06:38
They explained his chin scar in Last Crusade...how are they gonna explain these new ones?

Fantome
6th Mar 2015, 07:09
seems some precious souls just cannot help a hissy fit . The report that I commented on contained a gaff relating to HF reported as 'solo' followed by a fire chief reportedly referring to "the passenger". that's all. no big deal . .. . unless insisting upon the editorial standards of THE GUARDIAN

then the mods deleted my rebuttal ???

but not the one about "loud mouthed know it all morans"

sometimes it is salutary to refer back to the moderate advice of some who were not in fact moderators . fujiflyer posted here years ago -

"PPRuNe & JB within, are effectively a community, albeit one which communicates with one another using the internet. As far as I can see this should not compromise the normal standard and respect that we would (hopefully) hold for each other, whatever method by which we socialise."

all a fair remove from wanting to wish HF a speedy recovery

(unless he has a known address it is probably not possible to send
a GET WELL SOON card, with any hope of success. Sent one to Spike Miligan once. His note in reply was typically witty .. . . and gracious)
.. . .

ORAC
6th Mar 2015, 07:23
Harrison Ford praised for crash landing stricken plane away from homes (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11453665/Harrison-Ford-praised-for-crash-landing-stricken-plane-away-from-homes.html)

Yep, if you've got the choice of landing in the golf course or the houses, take the houses very time...... :ugh::ugh:

Stanwell
6th Mar 2015, 08:01
Fantome,
If you've got time for a painful read, have a look at the Daily Fail's coverage.
(Link on strake's post #6.)

I was also interested to see their photos of HF's other aircraft, including a Cessna Beaver and Cessna Husky.


Anyway HF, best wishes for a speedy recovery - you've got a rebuild on your hands there, mate.
p.s. Oh, BTW, you're supposed to kiss the ground AFTER dismounting, not the windscreen frame DURING arrival.

John Eacott
6th Mar 2015, 08:16
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_10/917936/150315_harrison-ford-jsw-636p_d96bc9e19370fdf9463150f621ffc743.nbcnews-ux-680-440.JPG

Harrison Ford Reported Fair After Plane Crash - NBC News (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harrison-ford-injured-plane-crash-n318301)

Jeez, he's messed that one up real big. But he's okay.

I think that was a photoshopped image? This one seems more likely ;)

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Yj02oUwAAhHnh.jpg

Cyber Bob
6th Mar 2015, 08:33
What happened to 'Chewy' ? - Did he make it ?

Flypro
6th Mar 2015, 08:43
A 'birdy' ?:}

MadsDad
6th Mar 2015, 09:36
Don't we get a METAR?

cattletruck
6th Mar 2015, 09:43
A 'birdy' ?

I'd say a bogie as he's well short of the green.

Please replace all divots. :E

mickjoebill
6th Mar 2015, 09:53
It wont be lost on him that, unlike the day job, he had to do it in one take....

Mickjoebil

Takan Inchovit
6th Mar 2015, 10:46
Must have been a snake in the cockpit.

MagnusP
6th Mar 2015, 10:53
Don't we get a METAR?

Reserved for R&N usually.

funfly
6th Mar 2015, 10:55
Member of Sleap club as well :ok:

sitigeltfel
6th Mar 2015, 10:56
A nice looking little aircraft, hope they both patch up OK.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/05/26330C7F00000578-0-image-a-1_1425598630130.jpg

Fantome
6th Mar 2015, 11:28
interested to see their photos of HF's other aircraft, including a Cessna Beaver and Cessna Husky.



You're right there Stan. Some good photos, captioned without a care
for accuracy.

Both ailerons on the crashed aircraft are deflected well up.
The damage pattern is consistent with an extremely heavy landing
maybe following too high a flare and a stall.

Pinky the pilot
6th Mar 2015, 11:28
Bugger!!:ugh: Ah well, these things (ie s**t) happens!:mad:

If, (a long shot I admit) HF you happen to read these pages, bad luck Mate, but well done to put it down where you did!:ok:

Hope to see you back in the air in that repaired aircraft soonest!:ok:

LowNSlow
6th Mar 2015, 12:23
Given that the Ryan is a draggy beast the hard landing isn't a surprise. Glad he walked (ish) away from it. Well done that man :ok:

G-CPTN
6th Mar 2015, 13:03
Harrison Ford hospitalised after crashing his plane on golf course | Film | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/06/harrison-ford-plane-crash-leaves-actor-seriously-injured)

603DX
6th Mar 2015, 13:09
Looking at the way that the Ryan's rather spindly undercarriage structure has burst through the wing, one can guess that the vertical speed component was pretty substantial during the forced landing. Not something that will be easy to fix, unlike the screen situation in the film "Six Days, Seven Nights". In which Ford's pilot character managed to force-land on a Pacific island beach, knocking off one wheel of his lovely DH Beaver on a rock in the process, and stranding himself with the very comely blonde Anne Heche on the deserted island.

Then, because you can do that sort of thing in movies, they conveniently found the wreck of a WW2 Japanese seaplane, removed its floats, and using only the tools in the Beaver and lashings of bamboo and palm trees, converted it to a floatplane version. Which miraculously took off safely, saving them from a set of pirates as it did so. If only real life was a screenplay like that! But I do hope that HF recovers from this mishap, and continues to enjoy his enviable collection of aircraft, cars and bikes. :ok:

rgbrock1
6th Mar 2015, 13:47
From local media reports it appears that the aircraft Mr. Ford was piloting suffered engine problems shortly after take-off. Harrison Ford was talking with someone on the ground about the engine problem and that he wished to return to the airfield from which he had taken off. They played a recording of his request and he did not sound at all too calm.

*edited to add: his aircraft suffered engine failure, not problems, and Ford told air-traffic controllers that he was returning to the airfield: it wasn't a request.

simon brown
6th Mar 2015, 13:51
Apparently prior to the crash, someone spotted some old Scots geezer in full golf regalia, running toward a flock of geese, waving a 9 iron about

sitigeltfel
6th Mar 2015, 14:22
Looks like he ended up around here.....

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/sitigeltfel/Penmar_zpsybzucqnl.jpg (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/sitigeltfel/media/Penmar_zpsybzucqnl.jpg.html)




ATC offered him runway 21 and he tried to make 03.

Loose rivets
6th Mar 2015, 14:39
They OK'd 3 at his request



Christian Fry, of the Santa Monica Airport Association, said: “I would say that this is an absolutely beautifully executed … forced or emergency landing, by an unbelievably well-trained pilot.”

con-pilot
6th Mar 2015, 15:55
He did alright for where he was and what he was flying. He was not critically injured and the aircraft can, and I'm sure will, be repaired and restored to flyable status.

So, he did okay.

Tankertrashnav
6th Mar 2015, 17:52
I've just heard some "expert" on the radio saying something along the lines of "99% of pilots would have turned and tried to return the airfield, but Harrison did the correct thing and landed straight ahead"

Of course he did, but I'm guessing that given an engine failure at low level, 99% of pilots would have done exactly the same. Speaking as just about the least experienced pilot in the world I rather think I'd have known enough to do that!

Were do they get these "experts" from?

rgbrock1
6th Mar 2015, 19:00
Experts, Tanker? Sounds similar, in such cases, to Ex-Spurts, no? :E:}

con-pilot
6th Mar 2015, 19:24
I've just heard some "expert" on the radio saying something along the lines of "99% of pilots would have turned and tried to return the airfield,

Actually from what I've read, Ford did turn back to the airport, he lost the engine, had the altitude and the airspeed for the 180. A little more altitude he might have made it.

But, overall like I posted prior, a pretty good job, movie star or no movie star.

angels
6th Mar 2015, 19:39
Absolutely connie. A plane with a malfunctioning engine doesn't care if you're a movie star!

He may not have walked away from the landing, but he survived it.

Hats off to him.

Flybiker7000
6th Mar 2015, 20:40
Well observed about the undercarriage 603DX!
According to my news-supliers he struck a tree in the landing-attemp. This might explain the hard impact.

I take the opportunity to ask to the origin of this well known Yellow-wing pattern!?

Windy Militant
6th Mar 2015, 20:57
The Colour scheme is inter war army air corps trainer.

Brings to mind an Instructor at Withybush Hafford international.
He had to land on the golf course when the Cessna 150 he was giving a lesson in blew a pot clean off the engine.
A short time afterwards he had another fan stop and again landed on the golf course. In due course the flying school received a demand for green fees and a years membership of the club!

He survived it that's what counts! Even if it was a tad late on the round out Mr Solo.;)

Fantome
6th Mar 2015, 21:22
talk of green fees Windy, brings to mind one seaplane pilot, known far and wide as "Last-Light", who ran out of noise in his C185 F/P heading back into Cairns. He was bobbing about near the leads about 5 miles short of the dock. A passing dive boat eventually threw him a line. Next morning I was witness to 1. the boss opening a bill from the dive boat skipper for $3100-10 for services rendered (a joke the boss did not initially get) and 2. "Last Light" walking in all shame faced, to be sacked on the spot. (silly man did forget to put a fuel cap back on, hence the engine quitting )

(If you read this LL .. . . no hard feelings I hope)

G-CPTN
6th Mar 2015, 21:29
I wonder if the two 'doctors' will submit their bills?

thcrozier
6th Mar 2015, 23:57
More video of the descent is starting to emerge. Looks to me like he turned left (which would leave the golf course as an option if he came up short) 180 to try to make it back to 3. The only real question in my mind is "could he have made it to the beach?", which is 1.6nm from the RWY 3 threshold. So with the distance covered in making the 180 he might have made the coastline. On the other hand, from the golf course to the beach (1nm from the western boundary of the golf course) is solid buildings. Tough call...


Video of moment golfers saw Harrison Ford crash on course emerges | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2983247/Video-moment-horrified-golfers-saw-Harrison-Ford-crash-course-emerges-Calista-Flockhart-pictured-going-husband-s-hospital.html)

thcrozier
7th Mar 2015, 00:08
It was probably wise to choose the Golf Course in hindsight, all the doctors were there to treat his injuries...

Tankertrashnav
7th Mar 2015, 00:12
Thanks for the clarification Con-Pilot - the way I heard it initially made it sound as though he lost it at very low level. Great result anyway.

Still getting reports on him heroically choosing not to land on the houses :ugh:

G-CPTN
7th Mar 2015, 00:17
From the above Daily Mail link:-
Experts say the spitfire was perfectly landed in a way that all well-trained pilots are taught to handle an emergency.

con-pilot
7th Mar 2015, 03:13
Still getting reports on him heroically choosing not to land on the houses

This is not the thread for me to post links of idols that have bought houses right off the end of the runway there, but they are trying their damnest to shut the airport down.

"Oh my God, my house is next to the end of the runway???????? How the hell did that happen???????"

I would be guilty of serious tread drift. :ooh:

thcrozier
7th Mar 2015, 03:19
Departing RWY 21, after an engine failure do you return to 03 or go to the beach in that airplane? His actual landing site is at the extreme NE (upper right) corner of the of the golf course on the 8th tee. Looks 50-50 to me, and once you've decided, you're pretty much committed.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206407426614445&set=a.1171367534313.2026959.1531759807&type=1&theater

westhawk
7th Mar 2015, 04:00
If the engine quits over the runway at 100' AGL, you land straight ahead on the golf course. Try to miss the trees if possible. If you're over the golf course, you're probably too high to land straight ahead. Unless you've climbed rather smartly and were able to complete the turnback (actually closer to 270 deg of turn than 180) with minimal altitude loss, you probably won't be high enough to make the airport after turning back. This is what appears to have happened here. Historically, most engine failures in singles at SMO haven't been quite as successful as this one.

I was sitting at the table outside of the airport restaurant one evening with a group of local pilots having drinks when HF came over and asked if he might join us. He wanted to talk flying as it turned out. He was very pleasant and reasonably knowledgeable on the subject of flying. We found that quite refreshing. I hope he was appreciative of the fact that nobody in our group asked him anything about the Hollywood business!

He did all right.

westhawk

India Four Two
7th Mar 2015, 04:11
Looks like he ended up around here.....

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee201/sitigeltfel/Penmar_zpsybzucqnl.jpg (http://s231.photobucket.com/user/sitigeltfel/media/Penmar_zpsybzucqnl.jpg.html)


What is not clear from this image is that the crash location is about 100' below the threshold of 3. HF could not have possibly made it to the runway

Earl
7th Mar 2015, 04:20
Well I am sure Harrison Ford has good health care insurance as he is like the rest of us pilots here, actually works for a living.
And not on the Obama welfare plan.for ones that don't work at the expense of the rest of us taxpayers
Good he is OK and will fly many more years.

obgraham
7th Mar 2015, 04:40
At his age, HF is likely on Medicare (i.e.Government medicine), same's the rest of us geezers. They'll be kicking him out of the hospital before the plaster's dry.

megan
7th Mar 2015, 05:27
I see the link provided in post #41 saysExperts say the spitfire was perfectly landed in a way that all well-trained pilots are taught to handle an emergencyMmmmm....well, it is the media.

Krystal n chips
7th Mar 2015, 07:36
Mr Ford should be commended for his actions....landing on a golf course !

I am all in favour of anybody landing, in any context, on a golf course and have long held the desire to land a glider on any expensive membership course, trundle down a fairway, and boot the rudder in on arrival at a pristine green.

This wishful desire may be related to my detestation of golf, golfers and the many "golf mafias" encountered over the years.....

ExSp33db1rd
7th Mar 2015, 08:12
Sadly it isn't going to help the fight of those who want to keep the airport open, the DoGooders who moved in after the airport was built, in my opinion probably most of the present residents, will say, "see, told you so".

He obviously had a bit of luck, in the shape of some altitude to play with in deciding to turn back, I'll be interested to know precisely where, and at what height, the drama commenced.

Checkboard
7th Mar 2015, 09:40
When the engine stops in a single, there are four possible outcomes:


The aircraft is landed somewhere without further damage or injuries.
The aircraft is landed, but with damage or injuries,
The aircraft crashes, killing those on board,
The aircraft crashes, killing those on board and people on the ground.

To turn back to a reciprocal runway after an engine failure ("The Impossible Turn") is an extremely difficult bit of flying under very high stress. Most who attempt it stall in the turn and end up in scenario 3 or 4 - which is why the policy, when I was instructing, was to tell people to not even attempt it.


No one (on the current information) knows enough about the location and nature of the failure, or the energy state of the aircraft to state whether scenario 1 was possible - but for Harrison to avoid scenarios 3 and 4 is still an impressive feat of aviation. :ok:

ORAC
7th Mar 2015, 10:06
Mr Ford should be commended for his actions....landing on a golf course !

I am all in favour of anybody landing, in any context, on a golf course and have long held the desire to land a glider on any expensive membership course, trundle down a fairway, and boot the rudder in on arrival at a pristine green.

This wishful desire may be related to my detestation of golf, golfers and the many "golf mafias" encountered over the years.....

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03223/070315-MATT-web_3223046a.jpg

cockney steve
7th Mar 2015, 11:53
Mr Ford should be commended for his actions....landing on a golf course !



But when "Biggles" did the same , the stoning and hanging brigade were out in force.


*ducks and runs*

Union Jack
7th Mar 2015, 17:48
Member of Sleap club as well - Funfly

Reminiscent of the apocryphal newspaper headline following the sinking of the TITANIC, "Aberdeen man lost at sea", the TMS article in today's Times draws attention to the current Shropshire Star article entitled, "Superstar and Shropshire flying club member Harrison Ford injured in plane crash".:ouch:

Jack

westhawk
7th Mar 2015, 20:21
Golfing is apparently far different around Los Angeles than in many other parts of the world! I find the above golf prejudices quite humorous and more than just a little ironic given the actual nature of the golf property in question.

The Penmar golf course just off the end of KSMO rwy 21 is a public course operated by the Los Angeles dept of parks & recreation. I think it costs about 12 bucks to play 9 holes. Shirts, shoes and a set of clubs are required in order to play. That describes the socioeconomic class requirements to play Penmar in a nutshell! Jeans and a t-shirt is about the average attire of the players. Any doctors golfing here are more likely to be residents at County hospitals than private practice Beverly Hills plastic surgeons. If you pay your greens fee at the window and meet the above requirements, you too can join in on this highly exclusive activity we call golf!

A few miles up the road, Hillcrest, LA country club and a couple of others live up to the golfing stereotypes with much greater fidelity. You know... Like Bushwood Country Club of Caddyshack fame! :ok:

I have found Penmar to be a thoroughly enjoyable little track for what it is. Nice grass, trees and usually a pleasant breeze. All manner of GA aircraft flying overhead keep one entertained while waiting for the group of hackers ahead to find and hit their golf balls down the fairway a few yards at a time. (all while mimicking the pros they've seen on TV carefully and excruciatingly time consumingly lining up their shots!) Playing golf, like life itself, is fraught with contradictions and irony. ;)

That little corner of the course where HF ended up is one of the few open spots on the course where there is unlikely to be a group of golfers to mow down if one should happen to guide their errant airplane there. Poor aim?

westhawk

westhawk
7th Mar 2015, 21:15
It would be wise to take what Krystal says with a large quantity of salt.
He's a well balanced individual - he has a chip on each shoulder. Yeah Heliport, I hear ya. Even though I've been trying to cut down on the salt intake...

Sometimes I wonder whether my own class envy tendencies are displayed in proper proportion and frequency. However... An argument could be made that if one doesn't feel sorry for oneself then who will? :cool:

westhawk

bugg smasher
7th Mar 2015, 21:25
John is not to be outdone; here, he explains a hole in one...

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID18134/images/zTravolta_001.jpg

broadreach
7th Mar 2015, 22:03
I don't envy him the broken pelvis and ankle; must have slammed down very hard indeed, as the gear poking though the wing and the engine hanging off its mounts attest. Perhaps when the NTSB have done with him he might come on here to tell us what he remembers.

Background Noise
7th Mar 2015, 22:51
Is that the gear or some sort of bracing strut?

con-pilot
8th Mar 2015, 00:17
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/07/a9a2aa733bffd4e74d7fbe2c50acd210.jpg

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Stanwell
8th Mar 2015, 03:26
broadreach,
It's a bracing strut.
The gear didn't go through the wings, it collapsed under.

broadreach
8th Mar 2015, 03:49
Stanwell and Background Noise, apologies for having piggy-backed one someone else's post re undercaarriage having poked though the wings.

Stanwell
8th Mar 2015, 04:14
No worries, mate.
It's good that the u/c absorbed some of the vertical deceleration, otherwise HF might have been dealing with a spinal compression fracture as well.

Earl
8th Mar 2015, 06:44
i really doubt HF is on mediacade obrahame.He can afford the same policy as companies pay for real workers,.
Not welfare Obama care types.
Seems many confused here, he actually has job!
So Obama care is not even used.
As far as that blonde woman in his movie,
She was butt face ugly , now that was his mistake ha ha.
Real pilot would have said 1 night stand only, he kept her.
But that is the movies not real life.

obgraham
8th Mar 2015, 17:03
Earl: I said Medicare, not Medicaid.

Loose rivets
8th Mar 2015, 17:15
I sense the teeniest hit in Earl's post that he doesn't approve of social medicine.

fleigle
10th Mar 2015, 20:33
PT-22's flying.
http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/557675-ryan-pt-22-recruit.html

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cornish-stormrider
10th Mar 2015, 21:16
Screw it, any landing you can walk away from is a good one......

Well that's not a good one then.
But from all the reports HF didn't have the luxury of making a lot of choices as to making a good landing. He got given a big ole shit sandwich and made the best of it.

Heal fast Indy, and get the crate fixed and back in the air.

con-pilot
10th Mar 2015, 22:08
I was once told by a very old pilot back when I was first starting to fly that if you crash and you are fixed before the aircraft, you did a damn good job.

Fortunately in 40 plus years of flying, I never had to test that. :p

Flybiker7000
10th Mar 2015, 22:56
The undercarriage issue is of the right wing, wich isn't much pictured.
But un this it's to see:
http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Harrison-Ford-s-Plane-Crash-Wasn-t-a-Crash-and-He-Will-Make-Full-Recovery-Video-475045-2.jpg

fleigle
10th Mar 2015, 23:45
Judging by the length of the divots he didn't have much forward speed when he hit, that had to hurt, he's a lucky bugger!!.
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Fantome
11th Mar 2015, 11:29
Playing golf, like life itself, is fraught with contradictions and irony.


You have been reading Peter Alliss, Alistair Cooke and possibly other golf writers
whose eloquence has done much to enrichen appreciation of the game.

There are definite parallels between achieving skill in the art of golf and reaching a
personal plateau of understanding of, and enjoyment in, the finer points of pilotage
and airmanship.

TURIN
11th Mar 2015, 21:33
What happened to 'Chewy' ? - Did he make it ?

He was on the Bacca nine.



(Coat on......):O