I need deciding a flying school. I am from UAE, looking for some feedback of schools

[pranav_d]

I am currently residing in UAE, I did my research online and found some schools in USA for my flight training. I need some feedback on few schools which are stated below.

1. ATP flight school (does this school give a chance to expats to get into regional airline interview like skywest etc.)

2. Phoenix East Aviation (General feedback on the school and quality of training.)

3. Aerocadet (Aerocadet has been promising students of 18 month internship in Global Air ferry and help then get 1500 hrs. Is this school trustworthy, it provides 0-ATPL around $55k.)

I would be glad if someone could help me with this decision

Thank you in advance.

Regards
Pranav Dutia

[Ihadadream]

1. Not a hope of getting a position with the regionals - you need a green card at a minimum.
2. No input or info - check this board by searching their name.
3. Like a ponzi scheme - You need to keep pumping students in at the bottom to give instructors work. No new students, no flying... Not a good plan. And then Global Air Ferry - Robert Weavers new home...Well, that should give you the answer.

Pick a school, qualify and then go hour building to 1500...
If it sounds too good to be true, then trust me, it is..

Good luck following the dream....

[pranav_d]

Thank you for your reply. Aerocadet is out of my list. I dont have a green card, is it possible to get a job in a charter after 1500hrs. Will they hire me?

[MarkerInbound]

No. To meet the minimum message length I'll say "no" again.

[LowPassGliderA330]

If it sounds too good to be true, then trust me, it is..
Sorry that I stole your sentence, Ihadadream, but it´t a pretty good one.

pranav_d, are you UAE national? Could you entry as a low-hour guy at EK, QR and the unmentionable (the carrier with an Y in their code...)?

[pranav_d]

LowPassglider .. No i am not a UAE national .. But UAE nationals have advantage over expats. They are considered first before expats, they can submit with a frozen atpl- expats cant. Etihad and Emirates have Cadet Program sponsored by airline and it is for UAE nationals only. If you got more hours obv they will consider you.

[LowPassGliderA330]

If you really want to stay in the UAE, why don't you try the QR MPL Programme?

If I was young, in these days I would eighter build up a lot of contacts, or try it with the tonne of MPL Programmes...

Happy Landings,

[pranav_d]

LowPass .. There few reasons I cannot apply for MPL in UAE.

1. QR MPL is done by CTC and they charge alot. i dont have that kind of mulla.

2. I think MPL program have requirement of Maths and Physics as Subjects in School, I dont have those subjects.

[LowPassGliderA330]

Pranav, you should certainly have certain skills and knowledge in maths and physics. Next to this, you can take a loan, or do an modular ATP/ATPL.


May I ask, which passport do you have?

[pranav_d]

My father or me cannot get a loan bcoz my father is 60yrs of age and bank cant give loan to people who are 60 or 60+. I was told by a captain that during my initial phase of the flight training i.e. Groundschool the instructors will help me with physics and maths so that part is sorted. I have an Indian Passport.

I have checked Aerosim Academy where they have 2 programs which can be applied by expat students.

Envoy pipeline Program
Skywest bridge Program

After joining Aerosim I can apply to these companies for my job as instructor and build hours. Hopefully I will get a job when I have 1500 flying hours.

Basically I want to build hours in USA and get hired in Middle east after building hours. Qatar or UAE, these are my targets after completion of ATPL.

[No Fly Zone]

I think you best bet it in your native land or possibly an EU county. Without a 'Green Card' and a long, expensive background investigation, the U.S. won't admit you, even for self-paid training. While not impossible, the chances are extremely slim.
We really do try to avoid discrimination or racist behaviors, but our welcoming attitude hurt us in late 2011 and hurt us horribly. Unless your personal credentials are pristine, perfect and can be verified to the nth degree, the U.S. is not an option. Talk to a couple of U.S. Consulate representatives in your country, and well before you spend any money.
We are still hurting and even angry about 09-11 and without extremely good, provable records, our VISA granters simply won't let you in. There may be ways, but watch your wallet. Buying your way in probably won't work.:sad:

[pranav_d]

Thank you for info no Fly Zone. But 9/11 is not a good reason to stop expats from working in US. Training US is the best and people want to work there becoz of the working environment.

I intend to start my career in US as a instructor and hopefully get green card. but as yous aid chances are slim, I will reconsider this. As far as background checks, I am clean. I understand that US is against discrimination.

I cannot train in my country(India) because the DGCA hasnt changed its license issuing and conversion rules since 1990 i.e. Maths and Physics. It is important to know these subjects but I was assured by a Captain of Challenger that the Maths and physics wont be prob bcoz in US instructors help people who are weak in these areas.

Asking a consulate representative would be a waste of time in this part of the world because they don't like it when a person from Asian subcontinent wants to study and hopefully settle in US.

At the end, it all comes to a better living environment, stable economy, job security and basic rights of an individual.

Thank you again for your help..

[Shytehawk]

Your first step should be to go back and get your qualifications in Maths and Physics. A good knowledge of both these subjects is essential for a pilot career. If you cannot obtain them then I would suggest that you look at another career.

[James331]

There isn't that much math involved in flying really.

Basic addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, all of which is done on a calculator 90% of the time anyway.

[George Semel]

9/11 more than enough reason buckwheat! I would have had the FAA revoke ever Certificate issued to those that come from that region of the world, and deport all from that region from the US, I had friends in Tower # 1, that did nothing but get up to go to work, and you figure you have the god given right to come here and do what ever it is you want to do and we don't have the right to say no! I suggest England since India was once part of the British Empire !

[hans brinker]

I don't think getting a US licence is not going to do you any good trying to get a job in the ME. You would still have to get a local license, and even if you could get one without math and physics I don't think you would get hired as they could see from your school diploma you don't have those subjects. If you don't think you can pass a high school exam in those subject you will definitely not be able to pass JAA ATPL course, not sure about ME licensing. You will not get a green card while in the States on a student VISA, nor will you get a job without a green card period! I think it is madness to think about sinking more than $60.000US in some school in the US you only know from a website. Have you ever flown an airplane or done a grading in a simulator to see if you have aptitude?
Good luck......

[azhkman]

Do you have any relatives in the US? If so, then if you can score a student visa, you can apply for green card status through your family. It is not immediate, but if you drag your training on long enough you could hit the mark. Otherwise, you'll have to wait at your home country before your green card comes through.

Also, the southern border is no longer defended, and if you can get into the US by any means prior to January 20, 2017, there is a good you'll have permanent status granted.

[FIRESYSOK]

A high number of Mesa Airlines, GoJet, Endeavor have pilots on frequency with very heavy accents. I'm talking foreign-born. I'd say there is a moderately good chance you can get a job at one of these regionals. Ten years ago you would never hear these foreigners on the radio in the numbers that you do now.

I think if you target the lesser regionals you have a good chance. Americans won't do this work anymore and the regional airlines know it. They're recruiting abroad and I wouldn't be surprised if they're sponsoring green cards as well. Don't worry about the maths and such. Believe me, today's pilot can't figure out how to iron his shirt, much less algebra.

Don't count on being any better or proving yourself as you maintain a chip on your shoulder. At any of these pilot mill schools you will learn from an instructor who just six months ago had never touched an airplane.

[TheBiggerD]

Yes, you hear guys working for Endeavor, Mesa, etc with foreign accents. But let me repeat this again and again. All of those pilots are at the VERY LEAST GREEN CARD HOLDERS. They were not sponsored by said airlines to get a green card. They had the RIGHT to work before they started flying for the airlines.
Pranav, good luck with your training. Please keep us posted. And remember, whatever anyone says on these boards, without a green card you will not have the right to work in the States. There are some flight schools that have a 1 year program where you can instruct after training but you have to be on the right visa. Good luck.