MCC on A320

[pauleta150]

Hi guys,

Could you recommend any place where it's possible make MCC Certificate on A320 in Germany ?

[pakythepilot]

A TRTO in France, in cooperation with hub air, was offering an A320 based mcc course but as far I can remember none in Germany. Also CTC is offering a320 mcc but it is enormously expensive. Most organisation offers mcc on 737 first because Ryan uses it and there's a high chance you will end up having an interview with them and second because the 737 requires a "higher" level of handling and management skills than Airbus where auto trim is present even if you are hand-flying the plane. Go for the 737 you will pay less and learn more.

[truckflyer]

MCC course is not for hand-flying training or any other specific flight training. Most MCC course providers wants people to use all the automatics most of the time, as your training is for Multi Crew management!

Go for the cheapest option, as this will have little other value.

[pakythepilot]

Truckflyer I agree with you but unfortunately companies want the product (cadets/low hour pilots) as ready as possible to fly their planes. I perfectly know a mcc course is not a type rating and any multi crew aircraft would be fine for the job, but nowadays if it is done on a Boeing 737 sim for instance, it gives you a deep introduction about how a jet plane works, the correct flow of checks and so on, making a cadet more "ready" for his initial type rating. They want to keep the risk factor as low as possible. Netherless, most interviews are now conducted on 737 or 320 flight sim where they test your hand-flying skills. Thus, previous experience where you have learnt how to deal with the inertia of bigger jet planes during manouvres and how to manage higher velocities could be useful for a pilot facing his first interview.

[truckflyer]

Yes, so what you going to do? A320, 737, 747 (BA), CRJ or XXXXXX?

From MCC to job interview it can take X months or X amount of years for any sim check!

My advice, save your money, when you have an interview rent a sim on the actual type you going to fly for the sim check. This is much more useful, that is the stage where you should not save to much on your money, so you can get the job!

Spending a small fortune on the MCC is a lottery, and only marginally useful.

[pakythepilot]

There are reasonable price for fixed simulators which reproduce high fidelity cockpit and airplane performance. One example is cockpit4u. If I correctly remember they ask 2000 euro ish for a mcc course based on a 737NG fixed sim which in my opinion is a fairy price compared with other mcc courses out there. I agree with your last post as well but a 737 mcc course just look "better" on your cv for a jet company. I know it's just stupid but this is how it works.

[truckflyer]

It reminds me of a guy that went to Oxford to take his MCC/JOC course, it was very good price that time. He asked they guy in the reception if it would look good on his CV that he had Oxford on his CV for the MCC.
Let's see that is now 4 years ago, and he still has not got a flying job!

[pakythepilot]

I find out that C4U (Germany) is offering mcc and joc on A320 simulator if it still is in your interest! Good Luck!