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vctenderness
21st Feb 2015, 17:25
Is it just me or is this incident getting a bit overblown?

A man, who happened to be black, try's to get onto a train packed with football 'fans' aka hooligans. They push him out and there are unpleasant chants.

This has now become the number one leading item in written press and on TV/Radio.

The behaviour of the Neanderthals on the train is unacceptable to anyone. However last week 21 Coptic Christians were beheaded by Islamic lunatics and it barely warranted a footnote in the media.

Gangs of black youths routinely rob and mug people on tube trains in London without it ever being reported.

The PM is in on the act and the Met are going into overdrive to track down the perpetrators and try and fit them up with some kind of charge even though this happened in Paris.

Over the top or what?

Shaggy Sheep Driver
21st Feb 2015, 17:55
Gangs of black youths routinely rob and mug people on tube trains in London without it ever being reported.

Is that really true? Routinely? Or is it true but rare?

Should I think twice about hopping onto a tube train next time I'm in the Smoke?

TOWTEAMBASE
21st Feb 2015, 18:26
You have more chance of being pick pocketed by a Romanian gypsy !!!

vctenderness
21st Feb 2015, 18:53
Gangs on tubes robbing people Known as 'steaming'. The Romanian Gypsies are also a problem and I guess they get more publicity at the moment.

Still hasn't answered the over the top question though.

highflyer40
21st Feb 2015, 19:04
Not over the top at all. Keep up the pressure to name and shame and CONVICT!

Mr Angry from Purley
21st Feb 2015, 19:10
Where were the police then? They would be waiting on the London tube for sure. Yes it was moronic chanting - last time I went to the parc de France it was full blown riot, tear gas, and that was just a friendly v France about 1990 something - o how things have changed

P6 Driver
21st Feb 2015, 19:11
Some football supporters showing their true colours?

Leopards and spots come to mind.

ChrisVJ
21st Feb 2015, 19:14
It wasn't over the top for the guy involved, however the publicity and "Shock and Awe and Horror," meme is certainly over the top.

The press is far more willing play up things like this and the government are happy to go along, diverts attention from the real big issues and how badly they are handling them.

fitliker
21st Feb 2015, 22:20
Why does the press feel it acceptable to use a derogatory Irish name/term to describe the behaviour of English Chelsea football fans ?


To be accurate these are Chelsea fans, and might not be related in any way to the Irish Hooligan family.


Why do they feel it is acceptable to use the H word to describe drunken Chelsea fans ?


Being rude, ignorant and drunk in public is not limited to any one ethnic group and these ignorant drunks sounded English, although I have friend who is from Barbados and sounds just like them :)

G-CPTN
21st Feb 2015, 22:27
O'Hooligan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooliganism#Etymology).

Metro man
22nd Feb 2015, 01:04
It's the same in Australia with the Aboriginies, if they suffer any abuse from whites it's headline news, if any whites suffer abuse from them no one wants to know.

There was a case back in the 1990s where an older Aboriginal woman who was lighter skinned and could pass for white, took a taxi and had the driver mouth off his low opinion of the indeginious population. She complained and it made the local TV news. She received an apology on TV and got hired by the taxi company to speak to trainee drivers about racial discrimination.

Of course Aboriginals could still abuse cab drivers, rob and assult them and run off without paying. That wasn't nearly as interesting.:rolleyes:

Say again s l o w l y
22nd Feb 2015, 01:23
I'm guessing that the opening poster on this thread reads the Daily Mail.

Which would explain how they are adding 2 and 2 and somehow getting 476.

Cyber Bob
22nd Feb 2015, 06:53
This type of behaviour occurs regularly with travelling footie fans. On tour, pi$$ed up and feeling hard - like they are part of a 'Firm'. I think the reason why it's been reported so much was that Johnnie French Geezer wasn't part of the 'Football Community' (Not a home or travelling supporter) but just an average Joe going about his business. He was singled out and was racially abused by a group of pi$$ed up, feckin eegits.

What hasn't been reported was that on the very same night and prior to this incident, 40 Chelsea fans were going about there business were sprayed with CS gas by the French Plod. Singing football songs mixed with the occasional chant apparently warranted this response. In terms of meeja coverage, you're not going to secure any political points or sell more papers jumping on this bandwagon now, are you?

Offensive banter happens every game - just ask the travelling Brighton or Bradford fans. Whilst the tambourine bashers will go to the end of the earth to stamp this out - it's a part of footie life. What isn't acceptable though is to single out someone outside of the footie arena and abuse them - that's bullying and frankly distasteful

Just my tuppence worth
CB

alwayzinit
22nd Feb 2015, 07:48
I don't know hence I am asking, but is this reported repellent behavior actually illegal in France?

sitigeltfel
22nd Feb 2015, 07:56
I don't know hence I am asking, but is this reported repellent behavior actually illegal in France?

Very much so, but whether the French would bother with requesting extradition is another matter.

Effluent Man
22nd Feb 2015, 08:18
I don't know about illegal. It's dashed bad manners though.

P6 Driver
22nd Feb 2015, 08:21
"Which would explain how they are adding 2 and 2 and somehow getting 476."

That's the accountant I want to complete my next tax return!

sitigeltfel
22nd Feb 2015, 09:27
Some info on the subject. The bit about blasphemy is interesting!

Hate speech laws in France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_France)

SpringHeeledJack
22nd Feb 2015, 11:49
Whilst the morons were being less than PC, they were most likely fuelled by alcohol and tribal mindset that is common in football. That they weren't 'steaming' through the carriages and platforms punching and kicking innocent bystanders, shows me that apart from the crass chants they were being relatively well behaved. The bloke who seemed determined to get on THAT train through THAT door was as daft as the person who pushed him out each time. Were it me, I'd have a) not tried to get on a train of yowling supporters of whatever colour/creed and b) if I had to get on that train (despite trains every few minutes on the Paris Metro), I'd have simply walked to the next carriage. The bloke had every right to get on the train through that door, but there are times in life where discretion is the better part of valour, as they say.

What has surprised me is the several days of main media coverage to this regrettable incident and yet the near ignoring of certain other more serious incidents within the UK where the boot was on the other foot, and sadly that is not considered to be racist :rolleyes: The elephant in the social room is that we are all prejudiced, some more, some less than others and as integration appears to be less straight forward than we were led to believe, the problems (which the morons who chanted display) will only increase.


SHJ

Captivep
22nd Feb 2015, 12:54
At the risk of being accused of being a pedant can I ask how the OP knows of these regular black gang attacks on the tube if they're not reported?

Two's in
22nd Feb 2015, 13:15
Just because (allegedly) racist incidents committed by Black people against Whites are not widely reported, it does not mean that recist incidents by White people are not real. They are both repugnant and deserve the full attention of Law Enforcement.

/Educated and affluent = deliberate agitation and manipulation of the proles in this case. That's worse than the racist angle.

maliyahsdad2
22nd Feb 2015, 13:19
Where are the constant national news headlines about this?

"This flat is for blacks only": Shocking racist campaign to force white mum out of home - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/this-flat-blacks-only-shocking-5193505)

Can't find anything on BBC or Sky but yesterday Sky were still talking about the racist Chelsea fans as breaking news.

Mr Chips
22nd Feb 2015, 19:34
Speaking as a Londoner, no, we don't still get the steaming attacks of old on the tube.

Football hooliganism will ALWAYS make the headlines, perhaps if there were no incidents, the Daily Mail wouldn't be able to get into a frenzy about it

This was a racist incident, it shouldn't happen, its very sad that it still does. I recall that last year there was trouble when Chelsea played in Paris. i remember it well because I went to an international sporting event about 3 days later...no trouble, opposing fans met up before the game, socialised and had a lovely time.

So. Why (apparently) just football?

Flyingmac
22nd Feb 2015, 19:57
Excuse my ignorance, but is the Chelsea football team all White?

SpringHeeledJack
22nd Feb 2015, 21:39
Yes, especially Didier Drogba :)

Seriously, they have quite a few swarthy types playing for them and even those with dark skin :eek: In fact there are very few pasty white players on the teamů.


SHJ

sitigeltfel
23rd Feb 2015, 08:14
Where are the constant national news headlines about this?

"This flat is for blacks only": Shocking racist campaign to force white mum out of home - Mirror Online (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/this-flat-blacks-only-shocking-5193505)

Can't find anything on BBC or Sky but yesterday Sky were still talking about the racist Chelsea fans as breaking news.

If you are white, and find you have been allocated a home in a predominantly black area, how do you go about getting the council to move you somewhere you would feel more "comfortable", quickly?

Cynical.........moi?

:hmm: