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victor tango
20th Feb 2015, 19:05
Two cyclones is beyond comprehension ?

How are you folks managing???

Please keep us up to date on things related.

I'm sure lots of us are thinking about what you Darwinians are going through.

Keep safe.

con-pilot
20th Feb 2015, 19:25
Batten down the hatches down there folks. :ooh:

2 strong cyclones hit remote parts of northern Australia (http://news.yahoo.com/2-powerful-cyclones-hit-northern-australia-110504185.html)

redsnail
20th Feb 2015, 19:32
My friends and family have reported a lot of rain but no damage yet. Admittedly, Queensland was lucky when TC Marcia crossed the coast near Yeppoon as where it hit is not heavily populated. TC Marcia hit as a Cat 5, TC Lam hit as a Cat 4.

Fliegenmong
20th Feb 2015, 20:07
'Lotsa' rain here in SEQ........not much else......winds calm.......rain has dropped off, a non event really, but had 'saturation' news coverage.....as Reddo says not a lot of people where it made landfall....but it has made a mess...

No Cookies | The Courier-Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/)

Sister recently moved back from Chicago & likened the news coverage to that of an impending blizzard.......still you have to accept these, for want of a better term, weather 'events' in these latitudes, during the summer....

Ascend Charlie
20th Feb 2015, 21:15
Currently hosing down on the Sunshine Coast north of Brisbane.

The weather radar shows that the remains of Marcia are moving quite rapidly over land, whereas yesterday the core was fairly slow moving.

Reminds me of a Two Ronnies sketch, with Big Ronnie reading the weather:
"It will be pouring in Doring, it will be hailing in Paling, and if you live in Lissingdowne..........you'd better wear a raincoat."

Fantome
21st Feb 2015, 02:32
Cannot remember if it was Ronnie Barker who said 'Some people are weather wise, but most people are otherwise'. What he certainly did say -

The marvelous thing about a joke with a double meaning is that it can only mean one thing. (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ronniebark326984.html)

Rest his soul, for he was truly one of the cream de la cream in his field.
An extremely modest man too.

Turning now to the weather, our Irish forecaster believes it is improvin' -
WORSE!

Worrals in the wilds
21st Feb 2015, 08:22
Thank you for the good wishes :). So far the Queensland cyclone hasn't been too bad (it's all relative). No fatalities thank goodness, and about 500 homes/businesses damaged.

Hobo
21st Feb 2015, 08:48
VT check out the BOM site (http://www.bom.gov.au/)for the latest wx situation.

Flying Binghi
21st Feb 2015, 09:11
via redsnail:
My friends and family have reported a lot of rain but no damage yet. Admittedly, Queensland was lucky when TC Marcia crossed the coast near Yeppoon as where it hit is not heavily populated. TC Marcia hit as a Cat 5, TC Lam hit as a Cat 4.

Hmmm... Apparently cyclone Tracy (Darwin 1974) were only rated a category 4. My recollection from touring about Darwin in the weeks afterwards were, apart from the destroyed buildings, of leaf-less and destroyed trees in all directions. The film and photos i'm seeing of these latest two cyclones is not indicating anywhere remotely near Tracy's cat 4 damage.....

Yep, looking like yet another 'global warming' beat-up by Australia's Buffoons Of Met (BOM) and the hysterics posing as journalists..:hmm:

Flying Binghi
21st Feb 2015, 10:54
Classic..:D

Cat 4 cyclone Tracy with winds strong enuf to blow cars into swimming pools.

During Cat 5 cyclone Marcia man stands with surf board being interviewed...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ch3flR7hXc

airship
21st Feb 2015, 11:14
What can anyone say about Ozzies when it comes to crocs, cyclones or even cutlery...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWl8EbNN8NM
;)

Worrals in the wilds
22nd Feb 2015, 08:05
Hmmm... Apparently cyclone Tracy (Darwin 1974) were only rated a category 4. My recollection from touring about Darwin in the weeks afterwards were, apart from the destroyed buildings, of leaf-less and destroyed trees in all directions. The film and photos i'm seeing of these latest two cyclones is not indicating anywhere remotely near Tracy's cat 4 damage..... Building standards have gotten a lot better in cyclone areas, particularly after the Tracy experience.
There is still quite a bit of damage, but my understanding is that the majority of new buildings on the Central Queensland coast are now constructed to far higher standards than was the case in 1974 Darwin.
http://www.dsdip.qld.gov.au/resources/guideline/qra/planning-stronger-north-qld-part-02.pdf
Communication has also improved, although it's still far from perfect; 2011's Cyclone Yasi highlighted some problems wrt evacuation and planning that don't seem to have been an issue this time around. It seems people were more aware that destructive weather was coming and were able to plan accordingly.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-22/residents-make-best-of-cyclone-marcia-aftermath/6183226

Flying Binghi
23rd Feb 2015, 01:32
via Worrals in the wilds:

Building standards have gotten a lot better in cyclone areas, particularly after the Tracy experience...

Yes, my recollection post Tracy with a high set 'surviver' well south of Darwin we had to run steel rods concreted to the ground running up to angle iron laid along the roof top. Looked ugly though it passed building code.

From looking at the TV/newspaper/internet pictures of cyclone Marcia damage i have not seen any new houses damaged. All houses look to be old and with no cyclone type bracing at all. I also note the trees surrounding the damaged houses, whilst missing a couple of branches, appear to be well clothed in leaves.

So, cyclone Tracy apparently cat 4 and Darwin is leaf-less. Cyclone Marcia claimed cat 5 and a few old houses get knocked over and no leaves damaged..:hmm:

At best cyclone Marcia were cat 3. via BOM:
CATEGORY 3 (severe tropical cyclone)
Some roof and structural damage. Some caravans destroyed. Power failures likely. A Category 3 cyclone's strongest winds are VERY DESTRUCTIVE winds with typical gusts over open flat land of 165 - 224 km/h.


Seems to me the Buffoons Of Met department is highly over-funded by the taxpayer for the incompetence they display.

Worrals in the wilds
23rd Feb 2015, 01:36
The trees are tougher in Queensland :E:}.
Seriously, dunno. I'm not sure it stayed a category 4 across the coast though. It intensified out to sea the day before it hit (which scared everyone) but then I thought it downgraded a bit.

Flying Binghi
23rd Feb 2015, 11:20
via airship:
What can anyone say about Ozzies when it comes to crocs, cyclones or even cutlery...

Heh, that we turn up to a fight well prepared, with a confident attitude, and with a pretty girl on our arm..:p

Flying Binghi
23rd Feb 2015, 11:27
via Worrals in the wilds:
...I'm not sure it stayed a category 4 across the coast though. It intensified out to sea the day before it hit (which scared everyone) but then I thought it downgraded a bit.


Scientist Jennifer Marohasy who has a house near where cyclone Marcia crossed the coast has some interesting observations...

"...tropical cyclone Marcia made landfall ... just after passing over Middle Percy Island ...There is a weather station on Middle Percy, and it recorded a top wind speed of 156 km/h, the strongest gust was 208 km/h, and the lowest central pressure was 972 hPa. This raw observational data is available at the Bureau’s website and indicates a category 3 cyclone..."

Jennifer Marohasy - Scientist, Author and Speaker (http://jennifermarohasy.com/)

Worrals in the wilds
23rd Feb 2015, 12:13
and with a pretty girl on our arm..:pCarrying her very own shovel. :cool::}
Fair enough then.
I guess they're damned if they do and damned if they don't; if they downplay it and it turns into a :mad:fight everyone hates them.:sad:
That said, I've heard a lot of criticism in southern Queensland re the media coverage of this event. Words like gloating, salivating and sensationalist have been used. Many people have felt that the media were almost disappointed that the damage and destruction weren't greater. Disaster porn at its finest.

owen meaney
23rd Feb 2015, 21:33
Cyclone Marsha(sic) was not a Cat 5 cyclone, agree with others about Tracey and Darwin circa 1974, was a teen and lived through that one as the house disintegrated while I cowered in the toilet.
We live in a media driven world, as Worrals so eloquently said, disaster Porn

Flying Binghi
24th Feb 2015, 00:25
Them Buffoons at the met office are still saying it were a 'five'... or maybe a 'four'... apparently they need to homogenise the data a bit more to work out what it were..:hmm:

A comment on computer models...
"Climate models are like a class full of imbeciles which, when tested, show that no individual scored better than 20% in a test. Nevertheless, the teacher finds that every single question has been answered correctly by at least one imbecile so awards an A+ to the whole class." Bernd Felshe.

via - Quote of the week ? on the usefulness of climate models | Watts Up With That? (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/24/quote-of-the-week-on-the-usefulness-of-models/#more-90384)

Flying Binghi
24th Feb 2015, 04:20
Oh Dear, BOM records disappearing...:hmm:

"Data for Middle Percy Island has disappeared from the BOM site, but Jennifer Marohasy kept a copy. (I’m sure the BOM will be grateful!)..."

JoNova (http://joannenova.com.au/)












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victor tango
24th Feb 2015, 19:25
I was concerned when I started this thread.

Yet again we are warned of impending disaster as an ass saving H&S bullshit warning.

Dont these people realise that if something was really going to happen, and then they post their "approaching armageddon" warnings, folks will probably ignore it, as you do in the bright sunlight driving on the motorway under the fog warning signs !!!!

Pappa Smurf
24th Feb 2015, 21:40
They got carried away a bit.
A Cat 3 or Cat 5,it doesn't matter really,you head for shelter.
Just because it was a wet and windy day in Brisbane,i think the general public thought was this is part of the cyclone ,so whats it going to be like when its upon them.
Southern QLD has to worry about flooding if the rain comes there way.No chance of any cyclone having enough puff that far south.
As we know in QLD, a reasonable rain floods certain areas and closes the Bruce Highway.

airship
24th Feb 2015, 22:04
I heartily recommend the novel "Double Whammy" by Carl Hiaasen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Whammy_(novel)). It's got nothing to do with 2 cyclones (or even hurricanes) but a great and amusing read, as with all his other books.