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20th Feb 2015, 16:41
The defense ministers of both Sweden and Finland have announced a military cooperation agreement whereby if one of the countries is attacked, the other will provide mutual military aid, to include offensive deployments.

One must wonder if both countries have the resurgent Russia in mind? And, if so, it might well behoove the Russians to keep in mind what happened the last time they decided to pick on "lowly" Finland.

20th Feb 2015, 17:10
The history of Sweden and Finland share much in common:

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland) Finland: From the late 12th century until 1809, Finland was part of Sweden, a legacy reflected in the prevalence of the Swedish language and its official status. It was then incorporated into the Russian Empire as the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland, until the Russian Revolution of 1917 prompted the Finnish Declaration of Independence. This was followed by the Finnish Civil War in which the pro-Bolshevik Finnish Socialist Workers' Republic was defeated by the pro-conservative "Whites" with support from the German Empire. After a brief attempt to establish a kingdom, the country became a republic. In World War II, Finnish forces fought in three separate conflicts: the Winter War (1939–1940) and Continuation War (1941–1944) against the Soviet Union and the Lapland War (1944–1945) against Nazi Germany. Finland joined the United Nations in 1955 and established an official policy of neutrality. It joined the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) in 1969, the European Union in 1995, and the Eurozone at its inception in 1999.

According to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden) Sweden: Germanic peoples have inhabited Sweden since prehistoric times, emerging into history as the Goths/Geats and Swedes/Svear and contributing to the sea peoples known as the Vikings. Sweden emerged as an independent and unified country during the Middle Ages. In the 17th century, the country expanded its territories to form the Swedish Empire. The empire grew to be one of the great powers of Europe in the 17th and early 18th centuries. Most of the conquered territories outside the Scandinavian Peninsula were lost during the 18th and 19th centuries. The eastern half of Sweden, present-day Finland, was lost to Russia in 1809. The last war in which Sweden was directly involved was in 1814, when Sweden by military means forced Norway into a personal union. Since then, Sweden has been at peace, remaining a largely neutral nation.[11] The union with Norway was peacefully dissolved in 1905. Sweden played a role in humanitarian efforts during World Wars I and II, taking in refugees from German-occupied Europe. With the ending of the Cold War, Sweden joined the European Union, but declined NATO membership.

So in brief:

Neither are NATO members. During WWII, Sweden remained neutral, Finland fought on both sides. Today, I guess they both believe that the potential threat from Russia at least temporarily exceeds that of a reunified Germany. And so long as Sauli and Carl only have reindeer and forests as vital global economic interests to defend, understanding that other western Europeans or NATO would frown severely contemplating having to fight at such high latitudes (snow & ice, mein general), one can only commend both countries on their mutual defense initiative. Sort of the 1st step to becoming Sweland (or should that be Finden)?

21st Feb 2015, 01:01
Let the Finns be reminded of last time they need Sweden's assistance and how it never came.

Norwegian friends 20 years ago hated the Swedes with a passion because they allowed the Nazi's free passage in invading Norway in WW2.

21st Feb 2015, 01:51
And, if so, it might well behoove the Russians to keep in mind what happened the last time they decided to pick on "lowly" Finland.

Yup, that is why Hitler invaded Russia when he did, the poor performance of Stalin’s generals and army.

21st Feb 2015, 02:00
Think very hard before offending the Finns on their soil.

After an excellent landing etc...

21st Feb 2015, 05:31
the poor performance of Stalin’s generals and army.

Which is why I'm thinking they have entered into the agreement this time and not worrying about NATO. They are looking at the dismal performance the best that Putin can throw (relatively speaking) at the the Ukraine and going, "Yup nothing to worry about here":E