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ExXB
7th Feb 2015, 08:32
From Holiday jet passengers diverted to remote Canadian airport on flight back to Manchester - Manchester Evening News (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/holiday-jet-passengers-diverted-remote-8572942)

Holiday jet diverted to Canada on flight back to Manchester after passenger falls ill

A holiday jet flying back to Manchester from Jamaica has been diverted - to a remote airport in the far north of Canada.

Thomas Cook flight TCX109 had to take the diversion after a passenger fell ill onboard.

[...]

But when a passenger became ill it diverted to the remote Gander Airport in Labrador.

Gander Airport is actually on the island of Newfoundland, which is part of the Canadian Province of "Newfoundland and Labrador".



Flight radar shows the Airbus plane taking off from Jamaica, heading north along the west coast of America.The WEST coast? Guess they overflew Los Angeles and Vancouver on their way to ...

But instead of crossing the Atlantic it continues north, over Nova Scotia, then doubles back on itself to fly back south for a time.

Er, Nova Scotia, is actually to the South West of Newfoundland (the island), It is to the south of Labrador.

It then turns north east to land in Labrador, the most northerly point of Atlantic Canada.

Gander is on Newfoundland, a long, long way south of the most northerly point of 'Atlantic Canada'. It fact Gander is at 48 degrees N, slightly to the south of that most northerly city of the UK - London.

Edited to add: Here is FlightAware's track: Thomas Cook (MT) #109 ? 02.02.2015 ? MKJS / MBJ - EGCC / MAN ? FlightAware (http://de.flightaware.com/live/flight/TCX109/history/20150202/2205Z/MKJS/EGCC)

fa2fi
7th Feb 2015, 09:22
Unsurprising. Press just dont have a clue. You think they would be able to run it by someone. After all there's no shortage of aviation 'experts' willing to go in record over events. My personal favourite is when pax are 'delayed for here hours on the runway'. Just basics they can't get right.

Heathrow Harry
7th Feb 2015, 15:26
if you'd ever met a journo (or worse a TV person) all would be clear

they have the general knowledge of a hamster

liteswap
8th Feb 2015, 07:41
Harsh? As a journalist myself, I was horrified and amused on a recent flight to hear a man who described himself as a BBC producer comment at how amazing the plane's engines were, because they were powerful enough to lift the plane into the air.

General knowledge fail...

Il Duce
8th Feb 2015, 18:19
Heathrow Harry, as a hamster myself, I resent your comment! Kindly refrain from associating intelligent rodents with journalists.

jackieofalltrades
9th Feb 2015, 01:33
'delayed for here hours on the runway'

That is a huge pet peeve of mine too. I was slated on another thread for complaining about the inaccuracy of a journalist writing such. No doubt someone will be along soon to tell me off and to defend a journalist's right to not getting their facts correct...

jimjim1
9th Feb 2015, 07:53
They probably use Politically Correct non-racist maps[1] for navigation and get lost and non-racist sauce[2] on their buns and starve.

Yes, apparently Mercator projection maps are racist, as is a certain popular sauce. Who knew?

[1] The Economist explains: Why world maps are misleading | The Economist (http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/01/economist-explains-3)
[2] Guardian journalists fail to protect their sauces » Spectator Blogs (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/steerpike/2015/01/guardians-brown-mire/)

ExXB
9th Feb 2015, 09:32
Well, a great circle map might help them:

Great Circle Mapper (http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=KIN-MAN%2C+KIN-YQX-MAN&MS=wls&MP=p&DU=mi)

116 miles further with the diversion ...

Heathrow Harry
9th Feb 2015, 16:46
Hamsters all - I apologize


I have an infestation of meeja in my (extended) family and some of them are as bright as Hamsters - but overall............... perhaps cockroaches or leaches ......................

Alsacienne
10th Feb 2015, 06:22
Map? Globe? No, just a whippet with an extending lead ...

liteswap
10th Feb 2015, 09:14
In the interests of understanding and mutual niceness, I'm tempted to mount a small defence of journalism as it's currently practised. Hard hat on, here goes...

While a small handful of journos may be ignorant scumbags, most are hard-working, honest folk trying to earn a crust in the face of free content on the Internet, freelance rates that haven't changed in 20 years, and publishers who cut pay and staffing levels, yet expect employees to produce ever more content for a bewilderingly huge variety of platforms.

The result is less and less time available to research and write stories with increasing reliance of Wikipedia and press releases. Nick Davies' book Flat Earth News catalogues this phenomenon in forensic detail.

Some of this may be familiar to joystick jockeys - see the recent thread about lowering status and pay...

ExXB
10th Feb 2015, 11:24
West Coast of America? Not understanding Great Circle routes?

Methinks this journalist is not in the right business.

DaveReidUK
10th Feb 2015, 12:10
West Coast of America? Not understanding Great Circle routes?Perhaps a tad unfair in this instance.

http://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-confuse-east-and-west-more-than-north-and-south

Planet Basher
10th Feb 2015, 17:52
A journalist is someone who has been trained to write about things they know nothing about.