ThaiLion

[silverhawk]

Anyone thinking of joining TLA may want to contact me beforehand.

[captjns]

Oh oh... what's up old chum?

[Roti Canai]

That sounds ominous. Any further Information?

[too_much]

Why am I not surprised at this post...

[silverhawk]

All by PM


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[jetjockey696]

nothing to hide... it Lion Air GROUP from thailand, malaysia and Indonesia... which means bad management, bad T&C, bad training, work harder than Thai ladyboy on a saturday night etc etc...

Nothing new... Guys ..should have known what they are aspecting with Lion air. if you are coming from a legacy, major airlines.. be prepared for the biggest change of your life.. lion are looking for everything cheap. min gndschool time, maximum fly hours they can get from you... you cant change the system of Lion.. just go with the flow. many expats have sail in..thinking they can change the system they all left for china or middle east after a month or 2....

make sure you are well lubricated......:ok: and bottoms up the snake blood and rice wine with snake venom...need the stamina...

[kwaiyai]

How about Tongkat Ali?
Regard's,

[captjns]

Lion Air Thai is the same bottom feeding operation as their counter part in Indonesia. Why would one have a desire to work for any operation banned from the rest of the world?:ugh:

[B767_Driver]

I wouldn't recommend joining Thai Lion Air to my worst enemy. They think they "own you" (quote from DFO) from the day you pass evaluation. The most un-organized company that I have ever seen and they feed the agents false information to get guys to travel to Bangkok on their own dime. They say they will reimburse your ticket, but do not until after signing a BS contract (suppose to be NET pay, but not. Even pilot working there warned first day they screw you over on pay and on duty time).
The trying program is a joke and they received big problems from ICAO audit very recently. The whole training program consisted of 2 hours of SOP (FO reading out of manual), 2 hours of OM (DFO reading out of manual) and a couple hours going over general subjects. After that you get one day for SEP, slide training and a fire drill (no wet drill, which is a DCA requirement).
The DFO is a very arrogant guy who is very anti-foreign pilot. Heard he will soon be fired, so that may be a step in the right direction for TLA, but until then there are much better airlines flying 737's in Thailand and Asia in general that appreciate foreign pilots.

[B767_Driver]

Yo senator, I know both pilots you describe above and you really need to get facts straight. The pilot you reported showed up drunk was released from duty and at his hotel when the dis-organized company came and got him to do slide training. He was NOT drunk.
The pilot you say flew for two airlines never received a contract from Thai Lion and Thai Lion never submitted his validation to DCA. Thai DCA approve flights until validation paperwork is submitted and a contract is signed.
If you want truth (not Tony's version of the truth) on both pilots, PM me or a few other expats that know both guys.

[BkkPilot]

How does Thai Lion Air circumvent the Thai law which prohibits any foreigner pilot from operating domestic flights in Thailand?

Are all TLA flights international?

Or do they schedule all foreigners to operate international flights only?

I heard Thai Lion Air is "basing" pilots employed by Lion Air Indonesia in Bangkok to circumvent the law. Any truth to that?

Or did DCA abolish this law?


Thailand has a law that prohibits any foreigner from the following professions:
Taxi driver
Tuk tuk driver
Farmer
Pilot of domestic flights...

... there is more I can't think of right now.

[LNAVNAV]

Probably you do not remember Lion 2 Accidents, Bali ,in the sea ,and the other one COW GRILLED INSIDE ONE ENGINE at LANDING .
Thet will stay Blacklisted for a long time

[jetjockey696]

Well.. wherever you go in South East Asia you go to work.. its the same. dont aspect good support or training..everything is done to the minimum..example ground school..you did cover SOP, COM etc. because you sat in that class.there paperwork for it. that all Thai DCA care about.. (ok except major carriers of the country) besides government subsidize airlines.. all these private companies are same. looking out for profit.. doesnt matter how there get there..

If you dont want to work for Lion Thai... there is always Orient Thai, City airways, Asia Altantic Airlines etc.. all airlines in these region have major problems. Thai Airways only hire locals.

It your choice... you can stay.. go with the flow and follow asian ways. or goto a non asian country. at the end of the day you are specialised prositute who can fly a plane. the airline is the pimp.. if they need you to fly that day they call you..you get paid.. No fly no money.

Like any work ...If you stay, and fight against the flow.. everyday is like scratching your scrotum with cheese grater... i been there.. scar to prove it. but scar are there are remainder that if you dont like it... leave.. dont stay..skin is only so thick..

[fatbus]

JJ , good post. Any Airbus operators hiring expat pilots in thailand. Thanks

[jetjockey696]

Fatbus..... try Vietnam...or Philippines more airbus there

[fatbus]

Thanks , will do , FB

[B767_Driver]

VietJet Bangkok hiring 320 drivers. Ad on climbto350.com

[silverhawk]

Just to refresh the thread

[eyebrows]

Have you seen Rishworth latest Contract for Thai Lion: More money and after 2 year contract you get another $10,000 USD Not Bad

[silverhawk]

Hilarious!

Why do you think the contract is improved? Desperation, nothing more.

TLA are just not worth consideration

[BkkPilot]

Has anybody a link to the job ad? Rishworth's website has it not mentioned. Any other sources?

[jetjockey696]

DONT FORGET your wages in Thailand are taxable...



"Everybody who has an income and is living in Thailand must have their own tax ID number. This can be issued by the tax office but you need to present ID such as your passport or ID card. You will also need to show why you need the number. The Revenue Office does have English speaking staff who can help with any queries.

Those who live in Thailand for more than half the year are considered to be resident in the country for the purposes of tax. If you are resident then you are expected to pay taxes on all income that you earn worldwide. If you are not a resident and are in the country for less than 180 days each year then you are only expected to pay tax on the income that you get from within Thailand. Those who do not have a work permit are not exempt from paying taxes.

All income that is considered to be assessable comes under the heading of Personal Income Tax. This includes non-cash payments such as accommodation or the use of a car. There are several different categories of personal income including income from employment, income from a position held, income from royalties or dividends, income from rental agreements, income from construction work or income from any business.

There are a series of deductions that can be made from assessable income and this needs to be done in a specific order. A person completing a tax return will start with the assessable income amount, then take away deductions such as expenses, then take away any personal allowances. The amount that is left is the amount that can be taxed. There are different percentages of deductions depending upon the type. These are reviewed regularly so the best course of action is to check the website of the Revenue office for the latest information.

An individual taxpayer has a personal allowance of 30,000 Thai Baht. If you are married and your spouse does not work then there is a similar allowance for them. You are also able to claim an allowance of 15,000 Thai Baht for each child under the age of 25 (a maximum of 3 children) if they are studying in full time education. If your parents are over the age of 60 and their income is less than 30,000 Thai Baht you can claim 30,000 Thai Baht each.

If you are over the age of 65 then your own personal allowance becomes 190,000 Thai Baht. In addition to these there are allowances for education and life insurance as well as mortgage interest and contributions made to the social security system.

Those who earn less than 150,000 Thai Baht are exempt from income tax. Anything over this amount and less than THB 500,000 is taxed at 10%. Between this amount and 1 million THB the tax rate is 20%. Over this amount and below 4 million THB is taxed at 30%. Anything above this amount is taxed at 37%.

An individual is able to file their own tax return but all returns need to be in Thai, so non-Thai speakers should seek the help of an accountant. The Thai tax year runs from 1st January to the 31st December and the tax return should be with the tax office by the 31st March, to cover the previous tax year. Payments should be made promptly at the same time as there are penalties for late filing and payment. It may be the case that you need to submit a return every six months if your income is from your own business or for the hiring out of equipment.

Employers will withhold a certain amount of tax at source and this amount is then offset against the tax bill when you file a tax return. This reduces the possibility of getting a large bill. This can be as much as the top rate 37% but will depend on the type of work that you do and your earnings.

There are a number of double taxation agreements in place with other countries which ensure that you are not taxed twice on any income earned in another country. Thailand currently has 51 such agreements in place and a complete list can be found on the website of the revenue office.

Summarise....

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Thailand Inland Revenue Department
Redirect (http://www.rd.go.th) (website in English)
Tel: + 66 2247 2748

[captjns]

Same bottom feeding operation as their affiliate Lion Air Indonesia.

[eyebrows]

Jet jockey thanks for that but the TLA contract Is net salary, but as we had read the company is playing games with so called NET figure as other items like their breaking of rules written in the OM-A. I hope when the ICAO audit is done someone will bring this to the auditors attention.

[BkkPilot]

Can the TLA be seen somewhere?

[silverhawk]

Farcical operation with so many 'get rich quick' people in key positions. DFO is famous now around the planet.

[niko]

hi guys,

was wondering if anybody presently (or at least recently) working for TLA could share some updated info?

Is the 11k usd (total pay+allowances) finally net or gross? or how much is that u can make net actually?

What about life in the company? Roster when u are in Bangkok, layovers, colleagues, company culture, other relevant facts?

Thanks for any help!