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ExRAFRadar
4th Feb 2015, 14:09
BBC News - Rotherham Council cabinet to resign over child abuse report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-31130750)

Do we try these people for Aiding and Abetting Child Abuse?

They just resign and go on their merry way, probably to another council

Seems to me some of them fall into this definition:

"A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy"

A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy. - See more at: Aiding and Abetting/Accessory - FindLaw (http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/aiding-and-abetting-accessory.html#sthash.wO4RpFOZ.dpuf)
Aiding and Abetting/Accessoryaiding and

Aiding and Abetting/Accessory

Rosevidney1
4th Feb 2015, 19:58
I can see your point but with the likely numbers involved and the (lack of) speed in our system the chances of it being employed is vanishingly remote.

sitigeltfel
4th Feb 2015, 20:24
In the past few days the Labour Party have been promoting the idea of extending sex education to young children. It looks like their Rotherham councillors have already sub contracted the task to the local Pakistani community.

tony draper
4th Feb 2015, 20:36
Hee hee Mr Sitigeltfel.:rolleyes:

goudie
4th Feb 2015, 20:47
I'd like to see pics all those so called councillors, on the front page of the papers, named and shamed.
I hope they never find gainful employment again.

G-CPTN
4th Feb 2015, 20:58
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=rotherham+councillors+list&client=opera&hs=fv8&biw=988&bih=433&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=nofSVPPNEsfY7Aa_oYHwCw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg

G-CPTN
5th Feb 2015, 00:04
BBC News - West Yorkshire Police charge 25 men with child sex offences (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-31141167)

radeng
5th Feb 2015, 00:06
Trouble is, Goudie, they're not employed as councillors. Unless it can be shown that their actions (or inactions) as councillors affects their job, they can't be pushed out of their usual occupation.

G-CPTN
5th Feb 2015, 00:39
Councillors by Name | Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council (http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/councillors/name)

Cabinet members (https://moderngov.rotherham.gov.uk/mgCommitteeDetails.aspx?ID=415).

sitigeltfel
5th Feb 2015, 12:02
Charges raised today by Halifax (UK) police....

HEDAR ALI, 35, of Nantwich, Cheshire. He is charged with rape (x2) and trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation (x2)
FASIL MAHMOOD, 35, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 and supply of a class B Drug
ZAMEER ASIF, 24, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child
MOHAMMED RAMZAN, 34, of Bradford. He is charged with Conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16, rape and trafficking for the
purpose of sexual exploitation.
KHALID ZAMAN, 37, of Bradford. He
is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child
under 16, rape (x2) and supply of a class B drug
ATAF ALI, 32, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16 and voyeurism.
MOHAMMED FIAZ ASKAR, 32, of Bradford. He is charged with conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16
AESAN PERVEZ, 26, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual assault (x3)
MANSOOR AKHTAR, 23, of Huddersfield. He is charged with sexual activity with a
child under 16 (x2) and the supply of a class B drug.
FURQAAN GHAFAR, 30, Derby. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16
AFTAB HUSSAIN, 35, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual grooming, sexual assault and sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2)
TALIB SADDIQ, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2)
AMAAR ALI DITTA, 25, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2)
SIKANDER MALIK, 30, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16
AKBAR AZIZ HUSSAIN, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 and supply of a class B drug
AZEEM SUBHANI, 23, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x2)
TAHIR MAHMOOD, 42, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x3) and sexual assault
MOHAMMED AHMED, 41, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16
HAARIS AHMED, 31, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x3) and supply of a class B drug (x3)
TAUKEER BUTT, 29, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16 (x4)
ARSHAD MAJID, 24, of Shipley. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16
CHRISTOPHER MULQUEEN-BENNETT, 36, of Newport (Gwent). He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16.
MUHAMMED ASIM JANJUHA, 33, of Bradford. He is charged with rape.
HAIDERALI, 39, of Halifax. He is charged with rape, sexual activity with a child under 16 and causing a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
without consent
SIKANDER ISHAQ, 30, of Halifax. He is charged with sexual activity with a child under 16."

25 men charged with sexual offences against two girls in Calderdale - Halifax Courier (http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/crime/25-men-charged-with-sexual-offences-against-two-girls-in-calderdale-1-7089705)

The BBC have hidden this away on a sub regional page.

Capetonian
5th Feb 2015, 12:12
All good old Anglo-Saxon names!

SUE REID accused of 'making it up' after warning of girls as sex slaves in provincial towns | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2940327/How-branded-racist-exposing-truth-SUE-REID-reveals-accused-making-warning-young-girls-traded-sex-slaves-provincial-towns.html)

SOPS
5th Feb 2015, 12:27
All those council people should be in jail.

Gertrude the Wombat
5th Feb 2015, 12:36
Trouble is, Goudie, they're not employed as councillors. Unless it can be shown that their actions (or inactions) as councillors affects their job, they can't be pushed out of their usual occupation.
They may or may not have day jobs, depending on how high they've set their SRAs as cabinet members.

Blacksheep
5th Feb 2015, 13:30
There may be some confusion over the distinction between councillors who are elected to set policy and direction and council officers responsible for carrying out statutory duties, who are in effect civil servants.

It is non-elected officials who have actually failed to protect children and are directly responsible for the current situation. [Criminal negligence?] The councillors have accepted responsibility for failing in their oversight of the council's officers and resigned, but if there were cover-ups and silencing of whistleblowers, the councillors would have been the first to have been deliberately kept in the dark.

teeteringhead
5th Feb 2015, 13:33
And ISTR that the Council Leader at the time, one Roger Stone, was made OBE for "services to local government".

Wonder if he'll keep the gong ........?

Capot
5th Feb 2015, 16:01
Blacksheep, I was reading the thread with the same thought in mind, and ready to post it when I came to your comment.

Of course the Councillors are culpable, and not just those in the so-called "Cabinet", that recent term of aggrandisement most Councils have joyfully adopted. The ordinary Ward Councillors ALL bear responsibility for taking no action about what they should have known about on their patches, or for being so stupid and wet that they didn't even know about it.

But the people who should be going to jail alongside the Pakistanis they protected so well are the paid Officers, ie the bureaucrats whose job and duty it is to know what's happening and report it to Councillors. recommend action and, if necessary, blow the whistle on recaltricent Councillors to Central Government, if they see a wrong being committed (perhaps by omission).

Not doing their job and their duties resulted in the abuse continuing unhindered. They should all be sacked without pension rights, now.

You can bet your life that a huge amount of destruction of evidence has been going on for the last few months in those Council offices; probably far more than the Councillors are aware of.

I worked for 7 years running an operation contracted out to my company by a County Council. Monthly attendance at officer meetings, as well as Councillor meetings, and daily dealing with Council officials showed me that Councillors have little or no influence over the officials; every meeting of Councillors was preceded by an officer meeting to decide what to tell them and what not to tell them, so that they would vote as required by officers.

Ever since, I have preached about the low-level corruption that exists in all Councils, and high-level corruption in many. This, allied to incompetence, automatic promotion, the way finances are run, and many other defects supply the reasons that Local Government in Great Britain is as bad as it is, and can spew forth something like Rotherham Council and Tower Hamlets.

Andy_S
5th Feb 2015, 16:48
As Rotherhams elected representatives the councilors are supposed to set policy, have oversight, approve key decisions and generally hold the civil servants to account. The fact they clearly failed to do so makes them at least partly culpable, and to collectively resign was the correct thing to do.

Having said that, I agree with you. People should be going to jail for this, and not just the abusers. I find it difficult to get really angry about much these days, but this is one of those rare exceptions. The fact that so many people with the authority, the resources and the responsibility to prevent this sort of thing happening managed to look the other way beggars belief in itself; when you then consider that some of them were actually complicit…….. The whole governmental system in Rotherham is a festering cesspit, and I’ve a horrible feeling that it’s far from the only one.

sitigeltfel
5th Feb 2015, 17:55
Tyneside Police have caught and today charged another bunch of them.....

Note the names :rolleyes:

Northumbria Police have charged 20 people with sexual offences as part of Operation Sanctuary - Chronicle Live (http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/northumbria-police-charged-20-people-8587632)


I wonder how long it will be before the police are accused of racism because surely this can be no coincidence?

teeteringhead
5th Feb 2015, 17:58
Note the names
Always knew Geordies spoke funny - didn't know it worked for names too .......

Rosevidney1
5th Feb 2015, 20:00
I know - let's pretend it isn't happening in yet another Labour fiefdom. The BBC are hardly likely to do otherwise.

tony draper
5th Feb 2015, 20:59
The story of the twenty arrest up here was very swiftly passed over and covered on the local news as was the story of animal cruelty demonstrators at that abattoir,but a fair amount of time devoted to the horrifying news that that Right Wing Group coming to the fore in Germany is planning to hold a rally in Newcastle.
:uhoh:

G-CPTN
5th Feb 2015, 21:07
Front page of the Times today had mug-shots of the Rotherham councillors.

Newspaper The Times (United Kingdom). Newspapers in United Kingdom. Today's press covers. Kiosko.net (http://en.kiosko.net/uk/np/the_times.html)

goudie
5th Feb 2015, 21:32
Well done The Times.
They can run but they cannot hide!

G-CPTN
6th Feb 2015, 16:03
PC Hassan Ali, 44, died in hospital nine days after he was hit by a car in Sheffield on 28 January.
Mr Ali was being investigated by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) over allegations made about him.

From:- BBC News - Rotherham abuse scandal: South Yorkshire PC dies after car crash (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31164399)

mr fish
6th Feb 2015, 16:22
GOOD... now all we require is the rest of the dirty foreign SEX PESTS to top themselves.


rant over!!


FISH.

G-CPTN
7th Feb 2015, 21:04
Rotherham sex abuse victims 'complained about PC Hassan Ali' - BBC News (http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-31205274)

Capot
8th Feb 2015, 11:13
From the BBC...

South Yorkshire Police said the force was treating PC Ali's death as a "tragic accident". Officers are continuing to investigate the collision, which happened on Staniforth Road in Darnall on 28 January. No-one has been arrested in connection with the crash.Tragic accident? Sure it was.

But if it wasn't, by any tiny chance, it would be interesting to see into the can of worms that would be opened up by a proper investigation into who killed him and why.

And for that reason perhaps we should not be too hopeful about a proper investigation being carried out by South Yorkshire's finest.

cockney steve
8th Feb 2015, 14:26
I just have to say it, it's so right, on so many levels......
If he had survived to face a formal enquiry...........
he would have squealed like a stuck pig. :\

uneducated kids may want to googoo the last line.

radeng
8th Feb 2015, 17:27
The South Yorks police don't seem to come out very well on a number of matters at the moment....a very long history of problems is appearing, besides the football stadium disaster. The SYP was formed from a number of forces including the Sheffield City Police - the perpetrators of the infamous rhino whip affair in 1962 or 3.

So yes, one must wonder if Ali's death really was an accident. Even if it was, it's lovely stuff for the conspiracy theorists....

G-CPTN
8th Feb 2015, 17:31
if Ali's death really was an accident
Or, maybe, a self-inflicted injury?