Hong Kong to Düsseldorf

[Frogman1484]

Go and look at the main Cathay website. Hong Kong to Düsseldorf starting in the 1st September in a 777 (not sure where the crews are coming from?:confused:

Fly non-stop from Hong Kong to Düsseldorf, 4 times a week starting 1 September 2015 - Cathay Pacific Hong Kong (http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/hidden-pages/special-highlight/travel-information/dusseldorf-port/dusseldorf-route.html?DESTINATION=DUS&DEPARTUREDATE=20150901&ARRIVALDATE=20150907)

[falconeasydriver]

So it will be pax only out of DUS, given 23L has a 316 MTOW restriction for a 777-300ER :ok:

[Yonosoy Marinero]

(not sure where the crews are coming from?

Easy. LHR and FRA are in the process of being insidiously converted to 3 man crew, the rest of Europe will follow shortly. Layover duration remains unchanged.

TaDaaa!... an extra 10 or more red lanyard wearing crew per day available, courtesy of the HKCAD.

Add to that MOR censorship, probably ASR-F screening, and voila: problem solved. Where's my bonus?

[ACMS]

A quick look tells me:--

RTOW for 23L EDDL 30c nil wind etc = 328.9 tonnes Flap 20

The Landing weight limited TOW is 333 tonnes ( 251 + 82 burn = 333 tonnes ) pretty close.

Typical Total fuel required = 93 tonnes

Therefore MZFW around 236 tonnes which is close to the MZFW... ( 328.9 - 93.0= 235.9 )

Can't see to much problem there, they will be able to have almost MZFW which is similar to EDDF if you check the archived CFP's.

Almost the ideal sector for the ER...

[falconeasydriver]

ACMS,

the RTOW is one thing, but have a look at the DUS notams :ok: 316 T is all you are allowed to depart at...at least until the notam expires, which is before Sept 1, but you never know!

A0068/15 NOTAMR A5709/14Q) EDGG/QMRLT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5116N00645E005A) EDDL B) 1501090509 C) 1504102359E) RWY 05R/23L LIMITED FOR B777, MTOW LIMIT 316T

[ACMS]

Ok fair enough but that NOTAM expires 10 April.....

[Glass Half Empty]

So what's the big attraction in dusseldorf? :confused::confused:

[Freehills]

Lots of German business people I guess (centre of the Ruhr)

[crwkunt roll]

They also snuck in a new service to Coolangatta.

[White None]

As opposed to Manchester - BIG Blondes with

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Boobs :}

[betpump5]

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it all right

[TopBunk]

Easy. LHR and FRA are in the process of being insidiously converted to 3 man crew, the rest of Europe will follow shortly. Layover duration remains unchanged.


BA have been doing 3-man LHR-HKG returns for years now. I found it beneficial to be the only one in the bunk, an got better rest as a result. For me, the duty was arduous but not a real issue - speaking as someone who can't fall asleep at the drop of a hat.

[LRpilot]

Topbunk........I suggest to enjoy your very close retirement and shut up, they don't fly four time a month on east direction, 800 hrs every year, screwing up the body clock all the times, this is unsafe because of fatigue.

[iceman50]

Suggest you give up being a pilot then LRpilot, grow up.:ugh:

[LRpilot]

Iceaman50, could you please explain why I should give up? Because I'm worried to be tired for the next 25 years and probably die before retirement? I still like this job and I'd like to see improvements , not a constant degradation to save money for the bean counters

[betpump5]

Topbunk aka AT aka "A Day in The Life.." aka any other management stooge, your opinions (propoganda) aren't welcome here.

[BusyB]

Topbunk,

You had a minimum of 2 local nights off on arrival HK:ok:

[triplesevencommuter]

Topbunk, BA only do 3 man crew during the summer, not the winter. And they are required to have 2 local (uk) nights in Hong Kong.:*

[Threethirty]

I think TopBunk knows as he works for BA. BA are 3 man all year round to HKG. The only 4 man BA schedule I believe is Singapore and Buenos Aries, 2 Skippers and 2 F/O's, one operating and one augmenting.

[fly123456]

Like others have hinted, at CX we have to do regional flights, sometimes (often) at night, sometimes just the day before a long haul flight.
And to Europe, we only get 24h to 30h rest.

Remember the note "rest between 18h to 30h should be avoided" in the AfTLs? It's what we get all the time...

[AQIS Boigu]

CX couldn't even roster 3 man trips with all the pre flight rest requirements involved...way too inflexible for crew control when they are at their daily scramble mission trying to crew all the midnight departures by 7pm.

[Arfur Dent]

Always strikes me as interesting to see a trip that used to need 4 now can be done with 3. Are we humans evolving that fast? Will that same trip need only 2 in 10 years time??
Why not - the autopilot's good and PM could become PMA (Pilot Monitoring Asleep)? Or PNMCHA (Pilot Not Monitoring 'Cos He's Asleep).
I think I'll put that to the DFO when she takes up her post. Maybe if it came down from Swire House, they could order the DFO to think it's a great way forward.:ok:

[BlunderBus]

Not to mention the BA crews get a CHOICE of the routes they fly and how many times a month operating east west they'd like to do them..if at all.
In addition they don't get given an all night SIN turn or Colombo when they get to HKG.(all free on an EXB of course and advised immediately they land)
Then go home and sit FREE reserve 30 days a year.
Neither do they turn up at dispatch ready for a rostered LHR-short haul and get ordered to do a 15 ULH pattern.(with the 'are you refusing' bull**** from crew control)
Nor do they fly to HKG from LON and sit around for a week away from home on constantly changing 'plans' because of 'roster disruption' then fly back home for 2 days off and scoot back to HKG for more of the same totally disorganized rubbish.
And then there are the freighter crews and rosters..a whole new dimension in crew abuse!!!
Stay focused dudes!

[BlunderBus]

It's the company's choice to operate this way..in total disarray..but why on earth does ANY pilot operating in a fatiguing environment with so many ULH flights (exclusively ULH for some pilots) have to put up with it?
Is it really SO hard to implement a computer rostering/bid system and crew the bloody aircraft properly??
I mean really...how long have other legacy carriers been doing it and it must be cost effective or they'd find another way right?
It's just a handful of individuals blocking progress.

[Glass Half Empty]

Only 20 underlying problems!!!!! You have to be joking, try 60+ at least and counting. Please feel free folks to list them one post at a time.......

[Glass Half Empty]

1. No pay rise 2013.

[Frogman1484]

2. Broken leave system

[goathead]

3. Ridiculous rostering system , that in it self covers at least 12 pts

[AQIS Boigu]

4. An inadequate housing scheme for our post 2010 newjoiners...(especially the ones with family) and a 25 year scheme as per the 2009 SLS BS.

[Yonosoy Marinero]

5. A HK$ 2000 profit share. (I'm still not sure I've accepted this one as being genuine or a joke yet...)

[main_dog]

6. Unilateral withdrawal of A-days

[IDS]

7. Tax debacle for based crew

[goathead]

8 . Bases.

[H21SE]

10. There is no limit to the amount of Positioning that may be undertaken following the completion of a FDP other than compliance with the maximum cumulative duty hours limitations.

[Yonosoy Marinero]

11. Under-inflation pay rise, years late.

[positionalpor]

With quite few NA leaving and the same number of SO looking around,
The company is digging a deep grave for itself.

[raven11]

After 20+ years of pettyness and abuse.....The chickens are coming home to roost....

[744drv]

15. Deliberately do not auto refund J class to JMP downgrade. even though J class to Y class is an identical downgrade and is done automatically. Pilfering from your own employees is not pretty!

[Glass Half Empty]

16. reneged on instructor pilot contracts.

[bogie30]

17) No more beers for the bus

[bigjames]

so CX now flies to 3 destinations in Germany. how about another in Canada, ie Montreal, that has 50k Chinese and another 50k SE Asians and 3x the population of Vancouver.


HKG - YUL,VHHH - CYUL make it happen!

[Threethirty]

Three destinations in Germany? Dusseldorf was the second.