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OFSO
31st Jan 2015, 21:02
Just seen this in the 'Spectator':

There is a provision by which former prime ministers must clear business interests with parliamentary authorities, but it only lasts two years.

Blair may argue that, now the period is up, he is as entitled to make hay as any other citizen. But then if he considers himself just another private citizen, why is he still claiming a £115,000 a year allowance to help him fulfil his duties as a former prime minister? He wants to rid himself of all constraints and yet still enjoy the trappings of his former office. That is having your Kazakhstani fried honey cake and eating it.

What probably won’t feature in your idea of the acceptable face of capitalism is Tony Blair Associates, not with its £8 million in fees from advising Kazakhstan dictator Nursultan Nazarbeyev. You will balk even more to learn that Blair, a great champion of efforts to combat climate change, is raking it in from the oil industry; not only that, but through ventures with autocratic governments in Azerbaijan and Saudi Arabia.

Sigh.......must remember to take my blood pressure pill before I go to bed....

Tankertrashnav
31st Jan 2015, 23:00
You dont need a pill. Just put on some Bach, or Mozart, or whatever takes your fancy, and reflect on the fact that when Blair and his ilk (and you and I) are long dead and gone, people will still be listening to immortal music created by men who really matter, besides whose works the posturings of political pygmies in the search for self-aggrandisement are as nothing.

Sleep well!

Fox3WheresMyBanana
31st Jan 2015, 23:35
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Percy Bysshe Shelley

Hydromet
1st Feb 2015, 04:42
Rooster one day, feather duster the next.

Stanwell
1st Feb 2015, 07:08
Well Hydro, not really.
Most of them still manage to keep their snouts in the trough - one way or another.

Wingswinger
1st Feb 2015, 07:48
Former Prime Ministers:

1. Winston Churchill.
2. Anthony Blair.

Compare and contrast.

I believe Churchill rented Chartwell, not being able to afford to buy it until friends and supporters stepped in with some funds but I stand to be corrected.

Hydromet
1st Feb 2015, 08:02
Sadly, you're correct, Stanwell.

sitigeltfel
1st Feb 2015, 08:47
I believe Churchill rented Chartwell, not being able to afford to buy it until friends and supporters stepped in with some funds but I stand to be corrected.

The Churchills owned it until 1946 at which point they could no longer afford its upkeep. A group of wealthy businessmen then bought it and allowed them to stay there at a nominal rent for life.

:ok:

OFSO
1st Feb 2015, 09:15
Ah yes Mozart, there was one who was in touch with the sublime. I don't find listening to his works just before bedtime a good idea as the music goes round and round in my head.....and i lie there wondering just how DID he manage to compose whole pieces in his mind, get them perfect, and then write them down with nary a correction. Also I have to stop Mrs OFSO lying beside me in bed humming the aria of the 'Queen of the Night' from the Magic Flute as it causes Bad Thoughts to circulate in my brain. (Possibly confusing me with Zarastro in her sleep, you know).

But back to Blair. The frightening thing is that if you watch him giving an interview or speaking to an audience (if you can afford it) you will see he thinks he's done nothing wrong and everyone should love or at least like him.
Talk about self-deluding.

Solid Rust Twotter
1st Feb 2015, 09:33
Well, he did take the Blair Witch out of circulation...:}

joy ride
1st Feb 2015, 10:10
Tony Bliar: self-serving a-hole, one of the very biggest and foulest.

Bach and Beethoven for me. Some Mozart might be sublime but does not grab me like B&B. However, when I was active in orchestras we once rehearsed Mozart's "Jupiter" symphony and had to work on the last movement one section at a time (strings, woodwind, brass & percussion). Hearing the different individual parts was a massive revelation, absurdly complex mathematical combinations of different phrases all being combined in the same piece of music, quite astonishing.

Much better talking about something positive!

om15
1st Feb 2015, 10:35
Wingswinger, yes you are correct, after the war a group of businessmen and supporters purchased Chartwell, it is now a National Trust property.


I found a visit there very interesting, the main rooms upstairs have been left unchanged and now house a mini museum of Churchill's life, with many fascinating photographs that I hadn't seen before.
On a good day you can sit in the garden and look at the brick walls that Churchill built, despite being located in the south east, it is a very quiet and tranquil house and gardens, well worth a visit.


One point of interest is that there has been ginger cats called Jock who have been residents since the Churchill family lived there, as each cat passes away a suitable replacement is sought from the local CPL, I think that this may have been some sort of covenant from the Churchill family, unfortunately I didn't have the chance to meet the present cat.

Wingswinger
1st Feb 2015, 11:02
I Know, OM, We're NT members and we've been there several times. To anyone who hasn't - go. It's a fascinating day out.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
1st Feb 2015, 12:48
TB - infects cattle. Isn't that something we are trying to eradicate by culling? :E


A Dead Statesman

I could not dig; I dared not rob:
Therefore I lied to please the mob.
Now all my lies are proved untrue
And I must face the men I slew.
What tale shall serve me here among
Mine angry and defrauded young?

Rudyard Kipling

419
1st Feb 2015, 15:12
Former Prime Ministers:

1. Winston Churchill.
2. Anthony Blair.

Compare and contrast.

A few notable differences

Only one of them is dead and buried (and IMO, the wrong one).

I can't think of many people who would be ashamed to be named after Churchill.

Churchill will always be remembered for what he did for his country and not what he did for himself.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
1st Feb 2015, 15:19
One of them finished two wars and won both. The other started two and lost both.

OFSO
1st Feb 2015, 15:43
Thank you, Fox3. Kipling - as ever - spoke truly and to the point.

joy ride
1st Feb 2015, 16:18
Actually I think Bliar did not start two wars!

I believe that Constitutionally a PM is supposed to decide with Cabinet that war should be declared, then go to the Sovereign to announce the fact; the sovereign (I believe) can make comment but not alter the decision. The PM returns to Cabinet to advise, then declares war and announces it.

In the 2nd George Bush War Bliar unconstitutionally gave our allies supreme executive command, they started the war, told Bliar that it had been started, he then told Cabinet and the Queen of the fait accompli.

If this is correct, it is yet another reason to hate the man.

OFSO
1st Feb 2015, 16:23
Interesting to imagine the sinking feeling that the Millipede must have when he hears Blair might return to help Labour *win* the next election.

Super VC-10
1st Feb 2015, 18:43
It's Bliar - as in B:mad:y liar! :ok:

OFSO
1st Feb 2015, 21:14
So now we come to the nitty-gritty: having saved up all your money, you have just taken delivery of a brand new Ferrari California T (as tested in the Times today by one J Clarkson.) Bright red, loud, fast, but the front end is rather fragile.

As you accelerate away from the premises of H R Owen, down Kensington High Street, who should you see but Tony Blair stepping off the pavement ahead of you - and he's looking the other way.

What do you do ?

Capetonian
1st Feb 2015, 21:20
I can't answer the question but I can ask another related one :

If you saw a heap of flesh, bones and blood in High Street Kensington, how would you know if it was Tony Bliar or an illegal alien who'd been run over?
If it were an illegal alien there would be one set of skidmarks.
If it were Blair, there would be two sets of tyremarks, one where the driver accelerated to a suitable speed to hit him, and another where he did the same in reverse.

sitigeltfel
1st Feb 2015, 21:44
I'm sure, that having squished Blair with your shiny new Ferrari, there would be plenty people willing to cover the repair and legal bills.

Gertrude the Wombat
1st Feb 2015, 21:47
Interesting to imagine the sinking feeling that the Millipede must have when he hears Blair might return to help Labour *win* the next election.
Some Labour activists are tweeting that they just wish the Blairites would shut up and go away.

But if they did ... and all the raving lefties continue to go towards Green ... who's going to be left to vote Labour?

Fox3WheresMyBanana
1st Feb 2015, 22:01
So, without the Blairite idiots and...
...are you effectively asking if there is anyone in the Labour Party who isn't either an idiot or mad?
I must admit, I haven't seen anyone who qualifies. Even if there is, one wonders how they manage being surrounded by idiots and loonies.

Would the sane Labourite please stand up. ;)

vulcanised
1st Feb 2015, 22:32
I wouldn't want Blair to end that way.

Much too quick and painless.

Gertrude the Wombat
1st Feb 2015, 22:40
...are you effectively asking if there is anyone in the Labour Party who isn't either an idiot or mad?
Well, there are some, I know a few myself.

I'm just wondering how many there will be left.

parabellum
2nd Feb 2015, 00:19
In the 2nd George Bush War Bliar unconstitutionally gave our allies supreme executive command, they started the war, told Bliar that it had been started, he then told Cabinet and the Queen of the fait accompli.

Possibly a bit pedantic Joy Ride but there was no '2nd war'. A conditional ceasefire was arranged in 1991, not a peace treaty.
For ten years Iraq ignored the conditions of the cease fire and flouted many too. In 2003 hostilities were resumed, i.e. same war, the first one. Bush passed it by the Security Council as a courtesy and Russia, China and France objected, since they had all deliberately, (and for some time), been breaching the agreed sanctions against Iraq and profiteering immensely. With hindsight it is a pity Bush senior didn't follow through to Baghdad in 1992, in my opinion.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
2nd Feb 2015, 01:04
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter.

"I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter. From our point of view and from the charter point of view it was illegal."

Canada, for one, was ready and willing to support the invasion of Iraq if sanctioned by the UN. It was not.

parabellum
2nd Feb 2015, 11:30
The United Nations secretary general, Kofi Annan, declared explicitly for the first time last night that the US-led war on Iraq was illegal.
Mr Annan said that the invasion was not sanctioned by the UN security council or in accordance with the UN's founding charter.

And nor did it have to be. As explained, the war against Iraq, in 2003 was simply a resumption of hostilities, nothing more. I have no confidence in anything Kofi Annan may choose to say now, some twelve years after. The 'invasion' did not need UN approval, as previously explained.
Had the invasion been illegal the lawyers would have been queuing up from New York to Tokyo to file their suites.

With all due respect t to Kofi Annan, he has got this one wrong.

Blacksheep
2nd Feb 2015, 12:03
Socialists by definition believe they know better than we ourselves do, what is good for us. That makes them detestable in themselves. That Bliar is additionally a lying, scheming "Champagne Socialist" - i.e. one who has adopted Socialism as a way to enrich themselves further - is a doubly good reason to dislike him.

om15
2nd Feb 2015, 14:06
We ( the electorate, not us personally) voted Blair in to government, and then re-elected him, supported by Broon and Balls. It was pretty obvious how bad they were, however a significant proportion of the electorate thought it would be in their best interests to have a Labour government.
The depressing thought is that the polls indicate that this may happen again, despite the lack of any coherent policy on anything, people are still prepared to vote labour.
As an increasing number of the electorate appear to be indifferent to the fragility of the economy and only appear to be supporting labour out of self interest, it may well be on the cards that we have Milliband supported by the SNP governing us shortly. That would make Blair's agenda pale into insignificance.

OFSO
2nd Feb 2015, 17:49
however a significant proportion of the electorate thought it would be in their best interests to have a Labour government.

And still do. Quite amazing.

G-CPTN
2nd Feb 2015, 18:12
My son (who I thought would have rejected the Labour philosophy) was dazzled by 'New Labour' when he achieved his majority (son, not TB) in 1995 and, no doubt, contributed to NL's election in 1997, though I believe his belief subsequently faltered and had disappeared by 2010.

Capetonian
2nd Feb 2015, 18:21
My son espouses the policies of the Greens, which although admirable in some ways is worrying in too many others. I am somewhat surprised as although his mother is a 'pinko', he sees the inherent flaws and hypocrisy of 'socialism' as practised by Liebour. I am hoping that he won't have bothered to register to vote in May, as the thought that he might vote Green worries me.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
2nd Feb 2015, 18:45
There is a significant portion of the population on payday loans and no pensions. Any party proposing "short term pain for long term gain" is not going to get their vote. They often can't accept "short term pain", or two large men will be round next week to take their washing machine and cooker back to the rental shop (forget the big screen TV for the minute).
It is, of course, a classic for socialist Governments to get the populus dependent on state aid or favour, as it guarantees votes. It was, of course, also a classic with Feudal landowners, and rotten boroughs of all political viewpoints.

God forbid politicians should have to win elections by reasoned argument and honestly assessed progress ;)

funfly
2nd Feb 2015, 21:31
I am one of those who voted for Tony Blair and New Labour the first time round.

I saw it as a new beginning and a new challenge for our nation which could turn the whole corrupt government system round.

A Tony Blair who said that he would never walk away from the queen backwards.

Within a year my mistake, and the mistake of many who were behind this new attitude, was obvious and history has shown us how corrupt and self interested many of the Labour party were at that time.

And the first time he met Queenie - yes he backed away!

FF

victor tango
6th Feb 2015, 19:35
as supervc10 said

B liar.........and that aint a typing error !!!