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OFSO
31st Jan 2015, 12:06
The Catalan judge Santiago Vidal and his working group have drawn up a proposed Constitution for Catalunia. Among other things it tries to crack down on political corruption, containing the clauses that (a) all politicians shall declare publically their income and assets previous to election and after leaving office, and (b) no politician's salary shall be more than ten times the Spanish basic salary (which is pretty low).

In response, the Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has ordered the Spanish State Prosecutor's Office bring charges against Santiago Vidal which if approved will result in him being stripped of office and expelled from the Spanish equivalent of legal chambers.

Asking Spanish politicians to declare their income and assets ? Whatever next - a heinous crime indeed.

toffeez
31st Jan 2015, 12:40
Singapore has close to the highest politician's salaries and the lowest levels of corruption in the world.

Fareastdriver
31st Jan 2015, 15:02
In China, if they are found out to be corrupt, they shoot them. Ask the late departed mayor of Shantou.

Ancient Mariner
31st Jan 2015, 15:49
Many things happens in China. Knew a high ranking lady who was sentenced to death for corruption, later reduced to life, now living happily in USA. Justice moves in mysterious ways over there.
I actually had the "pleasure" of dancing with her on stage during the intermission at the Moulin Rouge in Paris. We payed, of course. ;)
Per

airship
31st Jan 2015, 16:35
The Ancient Mariner danced with death...the Corrido? Unless it's all just a load of bull, Corrida de toros:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxO9XGivOpk

The day any governments, let alone a Spanish one make any truly serious efforts to crack-down on systemic corruption, that'll be the day the cows come home... ;)

Capetonian
31st Jan 2015, 16:42
http://www.bluejeansandcottontees.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/pig-flying.png

Sin palabras!

probes
31st Jan 2015, 17:09
what's the geography down there? Spain?

OFSO
31st Jan 2015, 18:04
what's the geography down there? Spain?

A thin flat low-lying area round the coast and the rest of it, mountains.

oldchina
31st Jan 2015, 18:26
Irritated (ex-) Yugoslav to bragging American: "you yanks have got no history"
Yank: "and you lot, you've got no geography"

rh200
31st Jan 2015, 21:14
You need to differentiate between corruption and using your knowledge of the law to its fullest extent, to your advantage.

Weak laws allow people to benefit, when maybe they shouldn't, I don't bemoan them that, who doesn't go to the accountant and expect them to minimize their tax to the fullest legal extent possible.

You want to minimize corruption, you need to fix your laws without burdening business to much and driving away investment. The problem is some countries cultures are endemically weak at a grass roots level, and that just propagates up the line.

G-CPTN
1st Feb 2015, 00:07
Pablo Iglesias, leader of Podemos, has expressed his intention of seeking a reduction of Spain's debt, following similar moves by Greece.

Loose rivets
1st Feb 2015, 00:28
We payed, of course.


In full Ancient Mariner mode are we? :p


I confess I didn't know the nautical aspect until a moment ago.

rh200
1st Feb 2015, 01:00
Pablo Iglesias, leader of Podemos, has expressed his intention of seeking a reduction of Spain's debt, following similar moves by Greece.

Seek all he wants. Thats exactly the reason why they shouldn't give into Greece, let them crash and burn as an example to every one else.

The people of the countries that give you the money should have an expectation to get it back.

OFSO
1st Feb 2015, 09:21
The people of the countries that give you the money should have an expectation to get it back.

The effect of one person giving another money, or a town council giving families money, or one or more countries giving another country money, is that all you are doing is teaching the recipient that if they are penniless someone will come and give them money. You are creating a dependent person/family/country by doing so. You are also creating resentment in other people/families/countries who don't get a hand-out.

All comes down to the idiotic policies of the EU and the Eurozone.

pigboat
1st Feb 2015, 14:27
Old Romanian proverb: "A change of rulers is the joy of fools."

Capetonian
1st Feb 2015, 15:27
Even by the standards of communist eastern Europe, the Ceaucescus were evil, I doubt there are many Romanians who weren't happy to see that change of rulers.

pigboat
1st Feb 2015, 17:13
Well, there's that... :D