View Full Version : Sir Winston Churchill - 50 years on

24th Jan 2015, 15:30
So it's the 50th anniversary of the death of a war hero. Looks like the British television channels are marking it this coming week with some specials. Makes you wonder how he would have coped with today's politicians. May be his grandson has the answer.

He's Not A TV Dog! Call For Churchill Legacy (http://news.sky.com/story/1413917/hes-not-a-tv-dog-call-for-churchill-legacy)

24th Jan 2015, 15:54
It was a bloody cheek of the insurance company to use his name to add a false air of respectability to their product.

24th Jan 2015, 16:10
Some neurone-challenged smartarse will soon jump in to remind us that Churchill was often naughty and didn't always treat the colonial peoples too well.
A man who behaved by the ways of his time, in fact. No-one else was capable of being the war leader Britain desperately needed.
Leader I mean.

Shaggy Sheep Driver
24th Jan 2015, 16:17
This might be worth a visit:

Churchill's Final Journey - National Railway Museum (http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/Events/churchill/main.aspx)

24th Jan 2015, 16:28
I was sitting in a Lounge on Pall Mall a wee while ago .There is a picture on the wall of Churchill and World leaders smoking cigars at the end of WW2 in the same room.The lounge is ironically now non-smoking. I asked the Barkeep if I would need to win a World War before I could light up a Churchill to honour the great man.

tony draper
24th Jan 2015, 16:33
Cometh the hour cometh the man,who the **** do we have among the pygmies who would cometh now? :(

Effluent Man
24th Jan 2015, 16:47
It is a mistake to judge people out of the context of their time. Anybody born three quarters through the nineteenth century is going to be coloured by attitudes prevalent of the time. I have met some damn good Tories, a couple of whom I count as friends. I do find it somewhat small minded not to tolerate the different views of others,unless of course they seek to restrict our own.

24th Jan 2015, 16:51
Taken from a Wiki page Alleged British use of chemical weapons in Mesopotamia in 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_British_use_of_chemical_weapons_in_Mesopotamia_in_19 20#cite_note-2)

Alleged British use of chemical weapons in Mesopotamia in 1920.

(...) "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachrymatory_agent). I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."(...) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_British_use_of_chemical_weapons_in_Mesopotamia_in_19 20#cite_note-1)

Source quoted: Winston S. Churchill, (London: Heinemann, 1976), companion volume 4, part 1 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Gilbert./ Copy write Acknowledged

The time is long past for this Hagiography foisted upon us by the media on the anniversary of another of the "great and the good".

I am just old enough to remember the TV coverage of the barge going down the Thames. He served his purpose well, as a "Voice of the Nation" during the Trauma of WWII but his decisions as First Lord of the Admiralty in 1915 during WWI were horrendous.

He was re elected Premier in 1951 - Perhaps through misplaced adulation of his war role while unfit through age and suffered a Stroke while in Office.

He was famous for his war role but look honestly at his achievements.


24th Jan 2015, 17:10
He was famous for his war role but look honestly at his achievements.

Nobel Prize for literature for starters? Not many British prime ministers in that category, or political leaders from any other country, for that matter.

24th Jan 2015, 17:30
Yep: I have to agree on that one. Was that for the History of the English Speaking People's ? - The Historical Memoirs

Edit [And there's Churchill College Cambridge] - I think there's a connection between the formation of the college and his speech at Fulton, Missouri "From Szczecin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, A curtain is falling over Europe"

Old China

"Some neurone-challenged smartarse" - I suppose I have to reluctantly take up that Mantle.


flying lid
24th Jan 2015, 17:33
Winston on Europe.