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tartare
19th Jan 2015, 23:35
A howl of outrage is emanating from white vans, greasy spoons and truck stop toilets across the Kingdom.
The Torygraph is reporting this morning that the Currant Bun has dropped page 3.
What's the world coming to...?
Sorry, bad pun...

EDITED - no it just seems there'll be no more unclothed ladies; just scantily clad.
Well, that's awright then isn't it...

Loose rivets
20th Jan 2015, 01:25
A long time ago I shipped all my guns to America. Well Texas, to be precise. It had to be done by a UK dealer, and finally I got the go-ahead to pick up my kit from Doc's Guns. I asked what I had to do next.

"Nothing. There's no registration in Texas."

The middle aged man and his two young cohorts smiled at me in a funny way. "Could we keep the wrapping they came in?"

"Of course, but why?"

They all looked as though they were suppressing giggles. "Your Sun newspaper. We're not allowed anything like that here."

Well, it was the bible-belt.

I let them have the papers - complete with crumpled Sam Foxes and the like. I felt some satisfaction in bringing a tad of culture to the wild west.

Adam Nams
20th Jan 2015, 01:48
The Sun's dropped page 3






Perhaps that should be “drooped”?

con-pilot
20th Jan 2015, 02:14
I just told my wife of this terrible news, as every time we are in London*, I'd go out and get the 'Sun', just to get the other views of what was going on you understand, not for page three.

She looked at me and said "HA!".

I guess she does not appreciate the finer views of the news.



* The hotels we stay in for some reason do not offer the Sun as an option for the newspapers to be delivered to our room in the mornings. Very snobbish of them if you ask me. My wife for some reason disagrees with me.

galaxy flyer
20th Jan 2015, 04:29
Where's Slasher when we need him?

GF

Krystal n chips
20th Jan 2015, 07:08
" The hotels we stay in for some reason do not offer the Sun as an option for the newspapers to be delivered to our room in the mornings. Very snobbish of them if you ask me "

You could always order "USA Today".....as an equivalent source of news that is.

Should your next trip to the UK involve getting out of London, I suggest Liverpool would be a nice place to visit.....and to order a copy of the rag in question in your hotel thereafter....

B Fraser
20th Jan 2015, 07:19
It has come in for a lot of criticism over the years. The Sun has always had its knockers.

:E:E

Devon Flyer
20th Jan 2015, 07:44
Hope the paper doesn't lose too many sales or it may go tits up

BEagle
20th Jan 2015, 09:09
henry_crun, that is true of recent years. However, 30-40 years ago when the likes of Stefanie Marriann, Vivien Neves, Linda Lusardi appeared on Page Three, the emphasis was rather different.

Page Three seemed to have moved from quality to blatant quantitty, I understand.

Mind you, holding up a Sun calendar picture of Sam Fox in the flight deck window had an electrifying effect on the Bear crew with whom we were...'communicating'. Ivans in their little rubber hats appeared at every window, grinning enthusiastically. Sam only found out the part her parts played in perestroika when I told a Sun reporter a few years ago.

N707ZS
20th Jan 2015, 09:12
On my trips to the barbers I have noticed the assets have been getting smaller over the years on page 3.

Few more years and it will be a person shape under a black sheet with two eyes poking out!

maliyahsdad2
20th Jan 2015, 09:19
On my trips to the barbers I have noticed the assets have been getting smaller over the years on page 3.

Few more years and it will be a person shape under a black sheet with two eyes poking out!

You are not wrong! :sad:

Cyber Bob
20th Jan 2015, 09:41
It's a cover up, I tell yer!

cattletruck
20th Jan 2015, 10:03
On my trips to the barbers I have noticed the assets have been getting smaller over the years on page 3.

The newspaper was downsizing... it's from the new school of management that now run the place, and if they continue applying their "skills" then the girls will go and be replaced with boys.

Then they can all stick it where the Sun don't shine.

MagnusP
20th Jan 2015, 10:09
Actor (and keen fisherman) Robson Green was on telly last night. His missus was Vanya Seager who was my favourite page 3 girl in the mid-1970s. They split in 2011.

mikedreamer787
20th Jan 2015, 10:24
For UK connoisseurs of breastery there's always this......

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hiflymk3
20th Jan 2015, 10:46
Keeping abreast of the times.

G-CPTN
20th Jan 2015, 11:23
Keeping abreast of the times.
Shouldn't that be:-
Keeping abreast of The Times. ?

sitigeltfel
20th Jan 2015, 11:24
There will still be plenty tits, just turn to the back pages.

onetrack
20th Jan 2015, 13:34
http://oi59.tinypic.com/14m6qon.jpg

oopspff7
20th Jan 2015, 14:32
Its not been a good day for the Sun, first they lose the page 3 girls,then they go and lose the Dear Deirdre column !

ChrisVJ
20th Jan 2015, 18:04
I became a model so I could meet lovely young ladies. Snagged myself one of those page three girls. Six kids later she's a little more , erm, robust but she's still my page three girl.

MadsDad
20th Jan 2015, 18:12
Forgive me asking, but what is there now between page 2 and page 4?

ShyTorque
20th Jan 2015, 18:17
I became a model so I could meet lovely young ladies.

That's a great idea. :ok:

But at my age all I would be offered to model would be quilted green waistcoats, comfort slippers with velcro fastening, those grabber arm things for reaching stuff without getting out of my chair, fur hats with side flaps, etc.

Also, thinking about the effects of age and gravity on those drooping and wrinkly "granny bits" of the ladies I'm likely to attract ... maybe I'll not bother. :(

Capetonian
20th Jan 2015, 18:43
http://www.avaruusmies.com/jokes-root/img/14.jpg

rgbrock1
20th Jan 2015, 19:19
Well, I think it only appropriate that perhaps we should have a Top Ten of all-time page 3 photos. :}:}:}

chopper2004
20th Jan 2015, 19:50
Am watching CH4 news, the various interviews inc. GG (hasten to add in my neck of the woods she has constantly rubbed up the wrong way one of my female mates and her colleagues who works in the Uni)

I figured the Sun was getting a tad drier and drier in the last 6 months if not a year. From what I am gathering , a lot of former models are praising and looking back fondly at their time in posing.

Then can I draw the attention of Max Power Live no longer runs since 2004 (I attended it at the Excel Center for the first time that year) as the magazine decided to head in a different direction...

Welcome to PC World :mad:

Cheers

hiflymk3
20th Jan 2015, 20:49
pprune page 3. (.)(.)

Krystal n chips
21st Jan 2015, 05:58
" Forgive me asking, but what is there now between page 2 and page 4?"

The page will be left blank......Sun readers will be encouraged to write their own thoughts and articles to fill in this blank page....there are only two minor flaws with this proposal however.

oldchina
21st Jan 2015, 08:06
Get Charlie to provide some drawings. Forget the prophet but 72 virgins would do nicely.

modtinbasher
21st Jan 2015, 09:50
page 3 will be ...................


wait..................................


for....................................


it...................


ladies (maybe, who knows) in burkas............


At least, that's where I think the Sun is heading for!

Mechta
21st Jan 2015, 10:22
Sounds like they've boobed...

David Cameron & Nick Clegg will be featured prominently for those who miss a pair of tits. :}

cattletruck
21st Jan 2015, 11:13
They could always re-invent themselves...

https://www.facebook.com/DrawingDicksOnTheHeraldSun

WARNING: Do not click the above link if easily offended.

rgbrock1
21st Jan 2015, 13:16
oldchina wrote the words "Charlie's Angels".

http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608006956817908394&pid=1.7

hiflymk3
21st Jan 2015, 13:21
A fine set of charlies. I miss Charley Dimmocks charl...

rgbrock1
21st Jan 2015, 13:26
The photo above (or below depending on how you view threads) is of the original Charlie's Angels. Which did not, unfortunately, include the latter day church of Tanya Roberts.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003866447/2458148223_tanya_roberts_08_answer_3_xlarge.jpeg

tartare
21st Jan 2015, 21:53
No more Page 3 girls: a victory for the prudes

Stephen Bayley
The Sun newspaper's pictures of topless "tottie" was in the best tradition of British bawdy humour, and the decision to stop publishing them is a concession to shrill, pious liberals.


Here is the latest disturbing tabloid cover-up. After many years on the attack, the naked female breast is now in retreat - at least in The Sun, which quietly published its final Page 3 girl last Friday. A discreet veil has been drawn over a British tradition of harmless, popular smut that goes back to Chaucer's Wife of Bath. Soon, Page 3 will seem as remote and archaic as music hall, variety shows or whatever it was that went on at the end of the pier.

While Page 3 made no claims to high-mindedness, it was revealing in several senses. Indeed, the extent to which casual nudity entered popular culture may be judged from the familiarity and resonance of the very term "Page 3". It has become an eponym for "topless", itself a polite evasion for the good-natured, winking-girly nudity that nearly half a century ago began to raise The Sun from the doldrums of circulation to its Himalayas. The rise and fall of Page 3 is an accurate measure of Britain's cultural health. Or, perhaps, Britain's cultural malaise.

A discreet veil has been drawn over a British tradition of harmless, popular smut that goes back to Chaucer’s Wife of Bath.

Its shrill enemies saw Page 3 as coercive, exploitative, woman-hating pornography. But it is more generous to see it as part of fine British bawdy, which includes Max Miller and Barbara Windsor, as well as Bamforth's gloriously tacky picture postcards, which enabled holidaymakers at the chilly British seaside to suggest to their correspondents at home that freezing in Skegness gave access to sexual, and therefore other, liberties. The greatest exponent of the saucy postcard was artist Donald McGill, whose stage army of mothers-in-law, fat women in swimsuits, filthy foreigners, priapic youth, drunks, lusty nurses and cosmic double entendres, was passed on to Pinewood's Carry On franchise. Its 31 ludicrous cinematic capers made delicious play with a national preoccupation about sex, given impressive form by the repeated motif of Windsor's almighty bust bursting out of a straining garment to a chorus of squeals from her screenmates.

The normally disapproving George Orwell wrote a famous and enthusiastic 1941 essay about McGill, where he declared the images of inflated breasts and boggled eyes they attracted to be "obscene", but added that "the corner of the human heart they speak for might easily manifest itself in worse forms, and I for one should be sorry to see them vanish". Orwell recognised something importantly defiant here. If only the old misery had lived to report on Carry On and The Sun.

In recent times, when an activist group wanted to bring the supply and demand for The Sun's bawdy into disrepute, it needed only to name itself No More Page 3; it did not call itself "No More Oppressive Objectification of the Female Form". With all the prim politesse that Victorian hostesses used when covering suggestively bare furniture legs with chaste little pelmets, No More Page 3 has secured its joyless goals. In 2013, Caroline Lucas, the Green MP for Brighton and Hove, wore the slogan on a (dry) T-shirt in the House of Commons to protest the pleasure that knuckle-dragging male sexist gorillas may take from such mammary displays as The Sun popularised.

There are several absurdities here, but chief among them is how the naked breast is now read as a symbol of women's oppression, when once it was seen as a symbol of popular liberty. Eugene Delacroix's great 1830 canvas, Liberty Leading the People, has the personification of "liberty" storming the barricades with a breast exposed. This was immediately interpreted as a potent democratic message. She would have been less convincing with her gabardine mac buttoned up to the neck.

Last year, Iranian and Arab women staged a nude demonstration at the Louvre to protest Islamic fundamentalism. Elsewhere in Europe, the radical Femen group go topless to attack patriarchy and theocracy.

So it is especially incongruous that The Sun's cover-up has been forced by a terrible, grim consortium of pious "liberals". A 2012 YouGov poll showed that 86 per cent of Guardian readers were against Page 3, as they are against 86 per cent of almost anything you may care to mention or enjoy. Britain's Lib Dems, no less, declared their serious intention to "tackle" the projection of women as sex objects. The Girl Guides - surely responsible for more crippling sexualised repression than any body other than the Boy Scouts - also supported No More Page 3.

The Sun began publishing Page 3 in November 1970, a year after proprietor Rupert Murdoch bought the struggling title. As a fillip to circulation, picturing topless girls looking as fresh and innocent as a toothpaste ad was a publishing masterstroke. The first "model" was Stephanie Rahm, once a companion to the very bawdy Benny Hill. Significantly, her breast, while indisputably uncovered, is seen in subtle side view only. The eventual emergence of the nipple and the way that emergence, and now its disappearance, calibrate a more general national feeling will one day be a topic covered by PhD students.

The same year, feminist Betty Friedan organised the Women's Strike for Equality in New York. Two years later, women took a real strike for equality when a nude Burt Reynolds, complete with objectified chest hair, was published as a centrefold in Cosmopolitan. This was the same period when Germaine Greer regularly posed nude herself, often quite horrifically so, for the counter-culture magazine Oz.

Over its 45 years, and befitting a minor art form, Page 3 developed a culture and tradition all its own. Indeed, for 33 of those years, the dominant photographer was Beverley Goodwin, who imposed a style that, at least when compared to the squalor of internet porn - or Greer in Oz - might even be called chaste. It was, in its way, the equivalent of "Chin up, girls!" Only someone looking to be offended could, surely, take offence.

Page 3 even developed a nice range of ethics. Coercion, violence and cruelty are parts of any definition of pornography, and none was used here. On the contrary, Page 3 attracted many enthusiastic, talented and ambitious young women, helping incubate the successful careers of, for example, Samantha Fox and Linda Lusardi. When readers insisted that breasts be natural, implants were disallowed. In latter years, Page 3 even supported breast cancer-campaigns, although some may feel that CoppaFeel! is, as the name of a charity, an obscenity in its own right.

What really caused the demise of Page 3? My own Sun-reading habit was never well developed, but 10 years ago, when I started frequenting a Chelsea coffee bar, I always had a sneaky look at the Neapolitan proprietor's dog-eared copy while waiting for my caffe latte. I was actually rather surprised to find that Page 3 still existed. It looked quaint then, and looks even more quaint now. In any case, the contents of Page 3 are not being banished completely - just retreating behind the newspaper's online paywall, where connoisseurs of the fluffiest of soft porn may still indulge themselves.

Only old-fashioned "liberals" are still outraged by decorous nudity. Five years ago, Greer spent two pages in the Guardian attacking me for having an "objectified" view of the female form in my book Woman As Design. In a failed denial-of-service assault, she invited the global sisterhood to flood my email with pictures of their "unsupported breasts" to reverse the (idealised) prejudices she claimed that I hold. I received only a single nude image, and that was from a handsome woman in Australia with a message saying: "I think Germaine is mad and I thought you might enjoy this."

While few people will seriously regret the passing of Page 3, nonetheless something has been lost and very little worthwhile has been gained. The fusspots, busybodies and ideologues who supported No More Page 3 have won a victory over - what exactly? It was rather like the Puritans who wanted to ban bear-baiting not because it caused pain to the bear, but because it gave pleasure to the audience.

The naked breast is now in retreat, but only one thing is certain about the history of British manners and taste in which it plays so important a part: things change. It will return.

Stephen Bayley is an author, critic, columnist and broadcaster who writes for a range of publications including The Daily Telegraph, London

ETOPS
21st Jan 2015, 22:27
Je suis Charlies :ok:

SpringHeeledJack
21st Jan 2015, 22:34
One used to meet Linda Lusardi every few weeks and she was a fine example of healthy womanhood. Lovely personality and naturally vivacious. Some of the others were nice too, others a bit dim. All in all the ones with personalities seemed to produce the best results, otherwise it was just 'some bird with big norks' to paraphrase Stanley Fletcher in the sitcom Porridge.



SHJ

Windy Militant
21st Jan 2015, 23:19
Post #38 reminds me of a review by the Late John Walters of the Film Sheena Queen of the desert on the John Peel show. Having spent a few minutes telling us it was not particularly good film and that the best actor in it was the Zebra, he finished by saying to JP "But there's one thing both me and the Ramones know" "What's that " asks JP to which he replies "That Sheena's got a Pink Knocker, hit it boys" at which point JP Plays the Ramones Sheenas a punk rocker which for me will forever now be Sheena's got a Pink Knocker.

Hey Ho lets go, door leather jacket , shades .......

G-CPTN
22nd Jan 2015, 00:01
https://twitter.com/TheSunNewspaper/status/558031936653111296

BREAKING: Threedom! Page 3 Back in The Sun Tomorrow - Guy Fawkes' blog (http://order-order.com/2015/01/21/breaking-threedom-page-3-back-in-the-sun-tomorrow/)

con-pilot
22nd Jan 2015, 00:06
BREAKING: Threedom! Page 3 Back in The Sun Tomorrow - Guy Fawkes' blog

Ah ha, the old free publicity ploy. :suspect:

Krystal n chips
22nd Jan 2015, 06:20
" Ah ha, the old free publicity ploy"

So it would appear, even more so when the original article appeared in The Times....what a coincidence !.

However, you could argue, that, for the majority, if not all, Sun "readers", viewing page 3 does offer them the nearest they will ever get to, erm,....... multi-tasking. Although I so accept many will have the same ability when sat in front of a PC.....laptops being somewhat problematic......

rgbrock1
22nd Jan 2015, 14:45
However, you could argue, that, for the majority, if not all, Sun "readers", viewing page 3 does offer them the nearest they will ever get to, erm,....... multi-tasking.

The voice of personal experience here, perhaps?

GrumpyOldFart
22nd Jan 2015, 15:44
.....laptops being somewhat problematic......


The voice of personal experience here, perhaps?


:E

Krystal n chips
23rd Jan 2015, 04:33
" The voice of personal experience here, perhaps?

Not in my case, however, you have always been adept at demonstrating a level of manual dexterity that has been well honed over the years.

airship
24th Jan 2015, 15:03
So, 18 year-old topless girls are back on the Sun's page 3 again.

Will the Sun ever bring back the 16 year-old models that once also graced the same pages (back in the '80s / '90s I think)?

Am I even allowed to ask?

Without infringing on anyone else's rights to "freedom of speech", "freedom of expression", "liberty" or whatever. Without risking coming across as some sort of prude or even paedophile. Or at least as an apologist. And worthy of being locked-up preventively under whatever anti-terrorist / child-protection etc. legislation currently applies.

"Je suis Charlie" :rolleyes:

"Vive la page 3! Long live page 3s! Welcome girls of all ethnic and religious origins too! Stop age-discrimination!" :suspect: