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ORAC
8th Jan 2015, 09:36
It’s 200 years since Britain last fought America. But it’s not a battle the British care to remember (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/01/its-200-years-since-britain-last-fought-america-its-not-a-battle-the-british-care-to-remember-though/)

Do watch the video.... :)

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tony draper
8th Jan 2015, 10:36
Thing is the war was over when that battle was fought.:)

ExXB
8th Jan 2015, 10:40
It's a little more recent than when the Brits sacked Washington and torched the White House ... (The repairs of which is actually the reason why it is the 'White' house).

Ya win some and ya lose some, c'est la vie ...

rh200
8th Jan 2015, 10:47
Wasn't that the battle where you guys grabbed an alligator and powdered its behind?:p.

Tankertrashnav
8th Jan 2015, 10:51
This is the version I remember ORAC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqS7nWWyXw

tony draper
8th Jan 2015, 10:54
It is called the forgotten war both sides of the Atlantic.
If you're interested in history and want a good take on said war minus bullshit you could do no better than watch this documentary.
:rolleyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neEifdTEtmA

rgbrock1
8th Jan 2015, 13:20
ExXB wrote

t's a little more recent than when the Brits sacked Washington and torched the White House .

Can y'all come back and do it again? Please? :ok:

BillHicksRules
8th Jan 2015, 15:04
RGB,

Wrong building in Washington that needs burning down.

Try the one SouthEast on Pennsylvania Avenue. I think it might be on a Hill:E

Low Flier
8th Jan 2015, 15:10
That's you on the NSA list, Bill.

For gawd's sake, don't tell 'em your name.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpMEl7wAQ6k

MadsDad
8th Jan 2015, 16:19
Swine!!! And I have reason to say this.

The thread reminded me of memories of Lonnie Donegan singing 'Battle of New Orleans' when I was young (about 10 years old). And now I can't get it out of my head.

Help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojqS7nWWyXw

OFSO
8th Jan 2015, 16:56
I thought it was going to be a thread about this:

David C. Hennessy (1858 – October 16, 1890) was a police chief of New Orleans, Louisiana. His assassination in 1890 led to a sensational trial. A group of not guilty verdicts shocked the nation, and an enormous mob formed outside the prison the next day. The prison doors were forced open and 11 of 19 Italian men who had been indicted for Hennessy's murder were lynched. The leaders of the mob justified the lynching by claiming the jury had been bribed, but only six of those lynched had been put on trial. In addition to the 11 lynch victims, five prisoners were severely wounded in the attack and died soon afterwards. Charles Mantranga, believed to be a ringleader, survived. A grand jury investigated and cleared those involved in the lynching. The word "Mafia" entered U.S. popular usage due to newspaper coverage of the trial and lynchings. The U.S. government paid a $25,000 indemnity to Italy to repair and restore broken relations due to the anti-Italian sentiment raging across America.

con-pilot
8th Jan 2015, 18:57
The thread reminded me of memories of Lonnie Donegan singing 'Battle of New Orleans' when I was young (about 10 years old). And now I can't get it out of my head.


I was living in England in 1960 when the "Battle of New Orleans" song was released. However, the first version I heard had the British winning and the Rebels running away. In fact, everywhere the phrase 'The British' was used in the song, had been replaced by 'The Rebels'.

I thought it was quite funny.

Oh well, no accounting for poor losers. :p

rgbrock1
8th Jan 2015, 19:05
http://www.frenchcreoles.com/battnozz.jpg

rgbrock1
8th Jan 2015, 19:11
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4041/4462735306_711faa6771_z.jpg

tony draper
8th Jan 2015, 19:15
Apparently the London Newspapers were outraged when they learned our chaps had burned the White House,'No way to fight a war they thundered' after all those people are just a sort of diluted Englishmen. ;)

con-pilot
8th Jan 2015, 19:17
Although outnumbered roughly 2-1, it was a resounding victory for the United States.

British casualties for the entire campaign totaled 2,459: 386 killed, 1,521 wounded, and 552 missing. American casualties for the entire campaign totaled 333: 55 killed, 185 wounded, and 93 missing.

seacue
8th Jan 2015, 20:41
Perhaps my memory is too poor, but I thought that the Patent Office was the only large building in Washington to escape the torch. It is now the Natl Portrait Gallery.

The US Patent Office became one of the first tenants of the Commerce Building when it was completed in 1932. The Commerce Building (now officially Herbert C Hoover Bldg) was the World's largest office building until the Pentagon was completed.

Politics are a wonderful thing. The H C Hoover building is nearly directly across Pennsylvania Ave from the J Edgar Hoover (FBI) Building.

Which Hoover Building??? Fortunately neither building goes by the Hoover name.

John Hill
8th Jan 2015, 23:15
Who won the war of 1812?

(Don't all speak at once!)

pigboat
8th Jan 2015, 23:26
Well, the Americans came up and burned Toronto. That's a win/win for both sides. :p

con-pilot
8th Jan 2015, 23:27
War of 1812 - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/topics/war-of-1812)

galaxy flyer
8th Jan 2015, 23:31
Since the Brits never tried for best 2 out of 3; I'd have say the U.S. won.

GF

Low Flier
9th Jan 2015, 05:34
The Empire did give serious thought to attacking the British empire when it was on its knees. Purest form of fascism.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS2AlIJ621c

ExXB
9th Jan 2015, 07:29
So,
The US


Invaded Canada a couple of times, but captured and held no territory.
Lost the majority of the battles, except for the one two months after the war's end.
Failed to resolve the issues that led to the war.


Of course they won the war, I'm sure there is a Hollywood movie that proves it.

Solid Rust Twotter
9th Jan 2015, 07:42
If nothing else, it's amusing to watch the usual spring-loaded-to-the-anti-US-position suspects' knees jerking about like a box of frogs on speed.:}

Rule3
9th Jan 2015, 09:52
IMHO.......Johnny Hortons version is better.:ok:

ExXB
9th Jan 2015, 11:12
IMHO........Tim Horton's version is better. :p

Super VC-10
9th Jan 2015, 12:21
200 years? I didn't think Lonnie Donegan was that old! :*

Loki
9th Jan 2015, 15:35
Well, it was the yanks who asked for peace terms; trade at a standstill, 20000 citizens in pow camps, and all but bankrupt. However, Britain was too much bothered with trying to create a stable Europe post Napoleon, that the proposal of Status quo ante bellum, completely baffled the cousins......they were probaby anticipating some territorial sacrifice....we were after all occupying a big chunk of Maine at the time. The whole grizzly business didn't stop them trying it on some time later in a couple of crises. eg Oregon in 1846.

rgbrock1
9th Jan 2015, 15:41
Loki wrote:

Well, it was the yanks who asked for peace terms

Unlike here where the asking for peace was the other way around, no? :}

http://www.allpaintings.org/d/72742-2/John+Trumbull+-+Surrender+of+Cornwallis+at+Yorktown.jpg

Loki
9th Jan 2015, 15:42
Here's a relic of the war.....the remains of USS Chesapeake, in Wickham, Hants. Her timbers were used in the construction of a water mill, now an antiques centre. There's a room set aside in the building chronicling the encounter with HMS Shannon, and a nice memorial to the fallen from both crews.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k288/loki_021/wickham.jpg (http://s91.photobucket.com/user/loki_021/media/wickham.jpg.html)

rgbrock1
9th Jan 2015, 15:46
Neat stuff Loki, thanks for posting!

John Hill
9th Jan 2015, 20:05
Was France involved in the War of 1812?

con-pilot
9th Jan 2015, 20:58
War of 1812 - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com (http://www.history.com/topics/war-of-1812)

mikedreamer787
10th Jan 2015, 03:33
Has this got something to do with what
you're all talking about - or is it music I
heard in a Bugs Bunny cartoon (esp the
last bit)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W1Wi2U9sQ

Pinky the pilot
10th Jan 2015, 06:08
con-pilot; Thanks.:ok:

John Hill
10th Jan 2015, 08:41
As ExXb showed America did not win the war of 1812 and Britain did not win either (because America did not loose). It must be one of those non-victories that we have become so accustomed to since 1953.

Loki
10th Jan 2015, 13:59
Technical win for Great Britain, since it was the yanks who sued for peace. Plus USA war aims were not achieved (incl. annexation of Canada) Longer term of course, it sowed seeds of division in the USA between the North and South.....at the height of the conflict, one or two northern states were having nothing to do with it, and continued to export grain to Wellington's campaign in the Iberian peninsular, which didn't go down well. The war also saw the still very young USA concentrate on expanding westward "more land and fewer indians" summing up their attitude.

Flybiker7000
12th Jan 2015, 22:25
In a 'Top 87 bad predictions' -list I had to Pick this:
«Four or five frigates will do the business without any military force.» -– British prime minister Lord North, on dealing with the rebellious American colonies, 1774.
;-)

galaxy flyer
13th Jan 2015, 01:10
Loki

Good point, Google "Hartford Convention" where the North tried to secede. "More land, fewer Indians" was a prophesy,not a known fact.

GF

con-pilot
13th Jan 2015, 02:59
Technical win for Great Britain, since it was the yanks who sued for peace.

Ah, so the dismal failure of the British to take Baltimore and their retreat from Washington DC had nothing to do with the draw. :p

However, the British Navy did stop stopping US flagged ships and impressing sailors off of said US ships.

But still a draw.


Then again, the dismal failure of the US to conquer Canada also contributed to the draw. A rather dumb idea anyway if you ask me. :E