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Shaggy Sheep Driver
7th Jan 2015, 16:47
I have fired this a while ago while Vernon (the owner) drove, and also ridden on it in Whitby. Pity it's going. A friend of mine took the two photos with the guy (he's Dave!) in the doorway, even though they now carry someone else's copyright!

Elizabeth the Whitby Steam Bus | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Elizabeth-the-Whitby-Steam-Bus/281528485548?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D281 11%26meid%3D7532a99f62f6415d9fa05a82669b114c%26pid%3D100011% 26prg%3D11472%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D10%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D281481 953709)

Lon More
7th Jan 2015, 16:50
I see the sponsor has also changed, used to be Old Glory magazine

joy ride
7th Jan 2015, 20:31
It's a rare and wonderful part of transport heritage which I know well. I hope it finds a good owner and continues to pleasure to so many.

Lantern10
7th Jan 2015, 20:35
What an absolutely lovely piece of equipment.

Lon More
7th Jan 2015, 21:39
Price seems a bit high, compared with this Sentinel DG4 Steam Wagon (with bus body) Built 1932 .. (http://www.cheffins.co.uk/lot/-532426-vintage-0) which sold for Ł112000

http://www.cheffins.co.uk/assets/catalogues/lots/208/2320.jpg

G-CPTN
7th Jan 2015, 21:58
A six-wheeler is rarer than a four-wheeler.

Lon More
7th Jan 2015, 23:37
I'd rather have a double decker though. Four wheels, six wheels; rare as hens' teeth although I suspect the Sentinel didn't start out as a bus

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/1902_Thornycroft_steam_bus_used_for_some_weeks_from_17_March _by_London_Road-Car_Co_Ltd.jpg/551px-1902_Thornycroft_steam_bus_used_for_some_weeks_from_17_March _by_London_Road-Car_Co_Ltd.jpg

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2015, 00:03
Neither of the Sentinels discussed in this thread started out as buses - they were converted within the last 12 years (2002) from flatbed lorries.

joy ride
8th Jan 2015, 08:25
It saddens me that we have preserved a reasonable number and variety of railway steam engines, but steam buses and coaches have largely disappeared.

Shaggy Sheep Driver
8th Jan 2015, 09:17
That's simple - enthusiasts preserve stuff. If more folk had been interested in steam buses, more would have been preserved. For me they come third behind steam locomotives and steam traction engines. The rate of preservation of each also follows that pattern.

meadowrun
8th Jan 2015, 09:25
Not entirely sure but I think it didn't start life with those nice fat tyres and wheels. Rather a more bumpy beginning.

funfly
8th Jan 2015, 11:35
So, different wheels, new 'bus' body, restoration work.
Just how much of the old girl are you buying then?

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2015, 11:42
Elisabeth (the six-wheeler) was built with the (then new) pneumatic tyres.

Sentinel DG6P - DG for double geared, six for six wheeler and P for pneumatic, a reference to her revolutionary ‘pump up’ tyres.

joy ride
8th Jan 2015, 13:40
Lots of cars and other vehicles of that age were basically rolling chassis with bodywork done by specialist companies. Some customers replaced bodies occasionally, due to wear, fashion or purpose.

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2015, 13:46
Steam buses were most common mainly in and around London in the early 1900s. Sentinels came very late into the steam bus market producing their first steam bus in 1926. Sentinels made the chassis and had the body built by E. & T. Hora of Peckham, London. In total only four Sentinel steam buses were built.

So far as we know Sentinels never managed to sell one of their steam buses, three went to Škoda Sentinel in Czechoslovakia and the last one built was used by Sentinel as transport for their works band.

It is really not very surprising that steam buses in the 1930s never caught on. By this time petrol buses had become well established, diesel buses were in their infancy but the two deciding factors were that steam buses required an extra man to act as fireman, and there were practically no bus drivers with steam experience.

joy ride
8th Jan 2015, 15:28
Steam coaches started appearing on British roads from 1801, with Trevithick's Puffing Devil, basically a locomotive-shaped steam car. His London Carriage of 2 years later had a passenger compartment, then Goldsworthy Gurney, Hancock, Church and various others made several quite successful passenger carriers over several decades, some completing considerable distances between towns.

At that point horse coach operators (the vast majority) persuaded Parliament to introduce the notorious "Red Flag Acts" including the worst in 1865. Road Tolls for Steam Coaches were also punitively high, so use and development was massively hampered (as usual) by greed and politicians.

There were various steam buses in London (Clarkson, LGOC etc.) until the 1920s by which time they had been overtaken by I.C. engined buses and coaches.