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dazdaz1
18th Dec 2014, 16:31
I still can't make my mind up on this..........

One of the 'Police Interceptors' progs on UK tv.... Police helicopter following car thief after he jumps out of stolen car, thief runs in to forested area while being pursued by police officer (also filmed by programme camera on ground) p/o stops, starts to vomit and gave up chase.

Reason being it was Ramadan and he had not eaten after dawn nor would he eat (even drinking water) until after sunset, he had ran out of energy and had to stop the chase, this was stated on the tv programme.

My thoughts are, would this officer be fit for duty taking into account the above?

Fox3WheresMyBanana
18th Dec 2014, 16:37
Of course not.
And it causes more accidents as well
The effect of the fast of Ramadan on accident and emergency attendances. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1294766/)

419
18th Dec 2014, 16:40
would this officer be fit for duty taking into account the above?

Obviously not but in the current PC climate in the UK, it would take a very brave superior to remove him from duty due to him following his religious beliefs.

MFC_Fly
18th Dec 2014, 16:57
Would it not be better for such officers to do a month of night shifts?

419
18th Dec 2014, 17:05
Would it not be better for such officers to do a month of night shifts?

If the Muslims in the UK act the same as the Muslims I worked with in Dubai, that won't work.
They fasted all day then spent half the night partying and socialising then complained all day about how tired they were.

mikedreamer787
18th Dec 2014, 17:07
Would it not be better for such officers to do a month of night shifts?

Same answer given above. They'd spend the night stuffing their faces.

Lonewolf_50
18th Dec 2014, 17:16
If the Muslims in the UK act the same as the Muslims I worked with in Dubai, that won't work.
They fasted all day then spent half the night partying and socialising then complained all day about how tired they were.
Nailed it in one. :ok:

wings folded
18th Dec 2014, 17:27
If a policeman turned up unfit for duty because of indulegence in adult beverages, he would I imagine be disciplined.

Not likely to happen to the individual in this case, but is there much of a difference?

radeng
18th Dec 2014, 17:34
The very few Muslims I know don't give a flying f**k about eating or drinking during Ramadan - or any ban on eating pork or drinking alcohol! They are all very westernised, though.

ExSp33db1rd
18th Dec 2014, 20:33
Once flew for an airline employing many Muslim flight crew, one F/Eng. refused to eat or drink in daylight flying long days Westbound, i.e. the Sun was visible to him for longer than the "normal" 12 hour day.

F****ng dangerous in my opinion, but nobody did anything about it, despite some sort of "dispensation" being given to Muslims in this situation (by whom Allah ? ) The fanatical do their own thing anyway.

When the rules were promulgated they all sat around in tents doing nothing anyway, no problem, but operating complex modern equipment ?

World's Gone Mad.

pigboat
18th Dec 2014, 21:01
The very few Muslims I know don't give a flying f**k about eating or drinking during Ramadan - or any ban on eating pork or drinking alcohol! They are all very westernised, though.

That has been my experience also. I've been at FSI with Muslim crews who would eat and drink with the best of us, which made them pretty nice guys but piss-poor Muslims, I guess.

reynoldsno1
18th Dec 2014, 22:24
some sort of "dispensation" being given to Muslims in this situation
Lived and worked in the ME for six years. Bona fide travellers may eat and drink during daylight in Ramadan, but are required to make up the fasting time at a later date. Aircrew were regarded as travellers, at least in the militray that I was associated with.

cdtaylor_nats
18th Dec 2014, 22:47
The Muslim chaplain at the Commonwealth games was on the radio during the event and said athletes were allowed to make up Ramadan once they were home. Apparently some of the Muslims from the equatorial regions were getting a bit freaked at the dawn/dusk times in Glasgow in the Summer.

B Fraser
19th Dec 2014, 09:25
I can't wait for the Commonwealth Games to he held in Shetland.

MagnusP
19th Dec 2014, 10:12
Excellent idea, B Fraser. The land o' the simmer dim, as it's known, where they never lose twilight in the summer months. I used to love going trout fishing at 2 or 3 in the morning, with a pipeful of Balkan Sobranie #759 Smoking Mixture to keep the midges at bay. Happy days.

mikedreamer787
19th Dec 2014, 10:17
Any religious institution that requires its own police force to ensure its longevity has to be a con game. :rolleyes:

MagnusP
19th Dec 2014, 10:26
MD787, you mean like these guys?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Swiss_Guard-_LobozPics.jpg/321px-Swiss_Guard-_LobozPics.jpg

Fox3WheresMyBanana
19th Dec 2014, 10:33
Nah; they're part of the World Clown Association.

A Police force would be able to detect rampant corruption and child abuse happening under its nose for several hundred years.

mikedreamer787
19th Dec 2014, 10:35
Magnus... um... what Mr Banana sed! :O

MagnusP
19th Dec 2014, 10:41
MD787, I think I was agreeing with you. The Swiss Guard have protected the high echelons of the catholic church for ages while they got on with their various nefarious acts. Hence, they fit nicely in with your statement that:
Any religious institution that requires its own police force to ensure its longevity has to be a con game.

:ok:

mikedreamer787
19th Dec 2014, 10:43
Yeah I know Mr P....just including Fox3 in the discush. ;)