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Lantern10
10th Dec 2014, 04:14
Was all this inevitable after the rise of feminism in the 60's. I feel I have been seeing it coming for a good few years.





"Social commentators, journalists, academics, scientists and young men themselves have all spotted the trend: among men of about 15 to 30 years old, ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement."




The Sexodus, Part 1: The Men Giving Up On Women And Checking Out Of Society (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/04/The-Sexodus-Part-1-The-Men-Giving-Up-On-Women-And-Checking-Out-Of-Society)

charliegolf
10th Dec 2014, 09:20
Goody, more room for us old farts in the marketplace then!:ok:

CG

cattletruck
10th Dec 2014, 10:41
Something definitely in the water supply. Take a walk downtown and you will see the metrosexuals are now the biggest demographic. It's where the corporate world likes it.

sitigeltfel
10th Dec 2014, 10:46
Something definitely in the water supply. Take a walk downtown and you will see the metrosexuals are now the biggest demographic.

Fallout from all that estrogen entering the water courses after the pill was introduced?

probes
10th Dec 2014, 10:50
why not? Fish and polar bears are hermaphrodites already. Well, not all of them of course, but there's a trend, the biologists say.

Fareastdriver
10th Dec 2014, 11:17
If it flys, floats or [email protected]@ks, rent it!

Capetonian
10th Dec 2014, 11:22
If it flys, floats or [email protected]@ks, rent it! Alternatively, if it has wheels, tits, or wings, rent it, don't buy it.

The math on the Paul McCartney-Heather Mills divorce is:

After 5 years of marriage, he paid her $49 million.

Assuming he banged her every night during their 5 year relationship (and, being married men, we all know THAT doesn't happen), it ends up costing him $26,849 per lay, not counting attorney's fees and court costs.

On the other hand, Elliot Spitzer's call girl Kristen charges $4,000 an hour. Crazy, right?

But...

Had Paul McCartney employed Kristen for 5 years, he would've paid $7.3 million for an hour of sex every night for 5 years (a savings of $41+million).

Value-added benefits are: a 22 year old hot babe, no begging, no coaxing, never a headache, wide open menu, ability to put BOTH legs around you, no bitching and complaining or "to do" lists. Best of all, she leaves when you're done, and comes back the next day, ready for another round. All at 1/7th the cost, with no legal fees.

Is it just me, or is it better to rent?

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/14/xin_5620305131632843978012.jpg $4000 per hour.

I know for damn sure which one I'd go for! http://www.pprune.org/data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxQTEhQUExQUFBUVFxgXFxcYGBcXFxgYGBcYFxoYFxUYHCggGBwl HBQUITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMsNygtLisBCgoKDg0OGhAQGiwkHSQsLCwsLCws LCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLCwsLDc3LCw3LCsrK//AABEIALcBEwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAACAgMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAFBgMEAAIHAQj/xABJEAABAgQDBQYCBgcFBgcAAAABAhEAAwQhBRIxBkFRYXETIoGRscEyoQdC stHh8BQjUmJygvEzQ3OS0hYkNFOiwhU1RGN0o+L/xAAaAQACAwEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADBAECBQAG/8QAJxEAAgICAQQCAwADAQAAAAAAAAECEQMhEgQiMUETMiMzUQVhgUL/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQA/AOIR7Hgj2OOMjIyMjjjBHpEegRbp6JRDgW4nTw4xDdEpWVOzPCPCIIdgL6qb e1vnGolIYuSCNLW8T5RyZPAovGRMuVEZQY6yKJqGXmWBDnh1CAl+EK+z8t5v QEx0KhkgpAgOVjvTQVWDkUhBeLspBs4P9bvBFUoCK4BJYP1eB2F23RVqZQbh 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Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 11:30
This is equality.
If a woman wants to go out with a man, she should now half the time expect to have to ask him. And deal with being told no.

This is not equality.
Given the interpretations being put on consent by the courts, women can hardly be surprised if men insist on being asked all the time. Yet socially, it still unacceptable to simply say "Do you want to have sex with me?". Result: Many men give upon the whole business.

Anyone think the way the Divorce Laws work are fair to men (financial or custody)?

Because of the way male teachers are treated when accused of sexual misconduct, the percentage of males in teaching is low and declining.
False Accusations: A Growing Fear in the Classroom | Canadian Education Association (CEA) (http://www.cea-ace.ca/education-canada/article/false-accusations-growing-fear-classroom).
Couple this with teaching regimes which have endless petty bureaucracy and seriously restrict teacher initiative, and the males that are left tend to be the ones who will put up with anything, or cynically exploit the system. Great role models.

Find me a strong, decent male role model on TV.

Taking strong male role models away from children (especially teenagers), both genders, is what's causing a lot of the problems.

Fat Magpie
10th Dec 2014, 11:32
Capetonian has it right

I know scores of guys who will never marry and are quite open about using hookers rather than dating.
Too many guys screwed over by the UK divorce courts living in bedsits etc whilst their other half live in luxury.
It sends a message.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 12:03
Try goggling "Rotating Polyandry"

SpringHeeledJack
10th Dec 2014, 12:59
I used to snigger at the tinfoil hat wearers who proffered that through Fabian tactics, not forgetting Marxist-Culturalists 'we' the masses were being manoeuvred and manipulated into a corral where, it seems, 'we' are currently residing. The majority middle class are being cooked in ever warmer water, the working class are (allow me to generalise) not working and dependent on money given by a benevolent government and the upper class, whatever that means these days, are managing to multiply their wealth by favourable conditions brought about by friends in high places.

'We' are all too busy fighting each other that we don't see what the magician's hands are doing. Males are against females, females against males, city against country, citizens against immigrants and on and on. It has to be by design, randomness couldn't take the credit. The psychology of your typical male when faced with the prospect of losing wealth, health and liberty through the overly PC machinations of this time period, would lead many to seek the simple and perhaps predictably sure option of withdrawing in part or whole from relationships with the fairer sex. It's a rum old do and it disheartens me to see the monstrously dysfunctional state of relations these days :sad:


SHJ

probes
10th Dec 2014, 13:05
Because of the way male teachers are treated when accused of sexual misconduct, the percentage of males in teaching is low and declining.
Seriously, Fox. :sad:
One would think "teaching regimes which have endless petty bureaucracy and seriously restrict teacher initiative" is the main issue.

Mechta
10th Dec 2014, 13:22
In a business relationship, if your normal supplier stops offering the goods or services you seek, then you seek an alternative supplier.

In a domestic relationship, it seems to be considered perfectly acceptable. once settled in to a point at which it would cause financial hardship to get out, for one party to stop providing the service, yet consider it unreasonable for that service to be sought elsewhere. Of course there can be reasons (tiredness from work/ dealing with children/elderly relatives) but more often than not its 'can't be bothered'. Hardly surprising then that children growing up in that sort of environment, avoid falling into the same trap.

Fat Magpie
10th Dec 2014, 14:04
One would think "teaching regimes which have endless petty bureaucracy and seriously restrict teacher initiative" is the main issue.

I have to side with the fox here, the bureaucracy in our schools is no worse than a lot of other state jobs.
My brother a Phd in biochemistry tried teaching for a while, there is a genuine fear among male teachers than an an accidental shove or push can be taken as assault. The familiar cry of "my rights" and "I'll sue" are quite common never mind the sexual accusations that can arise should a pupil feel suitably slighted.

Out of a class of approx thirty, three students perhaps wanted to learn, the rest were bored and either chatted or played with their smartphones/tablets.

One big no no that was the teacher was never to get into any sort of confrontation with a pupil as the teacher always had to back down. My brother described it as babysitting and left shortly afterwards.

I have been to special schools who look after pupils with attitude issues, these guys are taxied in and out of school for free, free lunches are ordered delivered (again by taxi) and the school day consists of playing games or their mobiles or computers.

No learning what so ever takes place, how this prepares them later life ...
I do appreciate having a shit childhood and poor parents can cause this sort of behaviour but whats the solution.

Mechta
10th Dec 2014, 14:16
Fox3, Thanks for the suggested search, This link, which came up as a result, should help explain a lot to anyone who's been through a divorce and is still wondering, 'What the hell happened there?'

Rotating Polyandry and Its Enforcers | Men Don't Cry (http://mendontcry.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/rotating-polyandry-and-its-enforcers/)

probes
10th Dec 2014, 14:38
But, Magpie, don't you think it's not about men and women (or boys and girls), it's the 'general attitudes' or mental atmosphere, if you wish? It being yellow and shallow. And service-based - of course it's someone else who has to 'provide the services', like 'education' (without much personal effort, of course). On the other hand, there's pressure on parents to be 'perfect' and 'give all to their children' - so, what's left for the kids themselves to do? Plus luring court-cases to get money for whatever could be qualified as harassment (like: you have to do your homework even if you don't like it).

Mechta, if you really think a marriage is about providing the service mainly - what about couples where one has medical issues, for example? Or men working rosters. No service provider, no marriage? And isn't it interesting how male persons all for polygamy take it for granted that it applies to men mostly.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 15:10
SHJ - there's no plot. One look at the Government's (any Government, any party) performance will show you they just aren't bright or that organised enough. Apply Occam's razor. The current situation could arise from short-sighted, ignorant policies by self-obsessed, sociopathic arrogant gits in charge of a massive bureaucracy whose members are focused on job preservation. So, it has.

Probes - removing the 'carrot' was the big factor for me leaving the profession, but I expect I'd left shortly after because of the 'stick' anyway.

there's pressure on parents to be 'perfect' and 'give all to their children'
Pressure from whom?
Where is the logic behind this pressure?
(n.b. intended as neutral questions)

MG23
10th Dec 2014, 15:47
The current situation could arise from short-sighted, ignorant policies by self-obsessed, sociopathic arrogant gits in charge of a massive bureaucracy whose members are focused on job preservation. So, it has.

Bingo. In the 60s, the left set out to take over 'the establishment', and they have. No-one should really be surprised that the result was a disaster. Those who are 'opting out' are probably just waiting for the whole thing to collapse, like their predecessors in earlier left-wing utopias like the Soviet Union.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 16:11
among men of about 15 to 30 years old, ever-increasing numbers are checking out of society altogether, giving up on women, sex and relationships and retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture,

Then of course there's the the men over 40 who are checking out, and they aren't retreating into frowned-upon activities; but just messing around in the workshop, watching sports and otherwise entertaining themselves. Which is why single women over 40 are finding it very difficult to find a decent guy. They're out there, but they aren't interested.
Society has the cards stacked against normal single men in modern society; don't be surprised if they don't want to play.

pulse1
10th Dec 2014, 16:21
When a lot of Ppruners were young, most women did not drive, did not have a car or property. Most thought that they needed a man to enjoy the benefits of these things to get some fun out of life.

Now, my daughter and her friends seem fairly typical and have all of these things. In fact, I get the impression that the majority of smaller sports cars are driven by women. They therefore give the impression, and it is only an impression, that they don't need a man and they can be very fussy.

As a result,in the noughties, this led to the evolution of the metrosexual, a man who is as fussy about his clothes and hair style, as women have always tended to be.

Now, we have moved on to pornosexuals, men who think they have to have the perfect body and spend hours in the gym everyday.

What comes next I cannot imagine but somehow I think it will be even less healthy and, possibly, more aggressive.

Krystal n chips
10th Dec 2014, 16:37
" retreating into pornography, sexual fetishes, chemical addictions, video games and, in some cases, boorish lad culture, all of which insulate them from a hostile, debilitating social environment created, some argue, by the modern feminist movement

Sounds remarkably like the Bullingdon Club / Palace of Westminster doesn't it....?

An Economics and Relate Counsellor offer his expertise :

Alternatively, if it has wheels, tits, or wings, rent it, don't buy it.

This may prove somewhat problematic for your understanding of interpersonal relationships with members of the opposite sex....these strange and alien ( at least, to yourself ) creatures are not actually commodities ....they are in fact, human beings.

The math on the Paul McCartney-Heather Mills divorce is:

After 5 years of marriage, he paid her $49 million.

Assuming he banged her every night during their 5 year relationship (and, being married men, we all know THAT doesn't happen), it ends up costing him $26,849 per lay, not counting attorney's fees and court costs.

On the other hand, Elliot Spitzer's call girl Kristen charges $4,000 an hour. Crazy, right?

But...

Had Paul McCartney employed Kristen for 5 years, he would've paid $7.3 million for an hour of sex every night for 5 years (a savings of $41+million).

Keynes really was a mere amateur it would seem, likewise Adam Smith, when it comes to economics...in comparison to yourself. On that basis, what would your own cost benefit analysis be of yourself ? .....feel free to factor in straight line depreciation and any promotional offers or rebates f.


] Value-added benefits are: a 22 year old hot babe, no begging, no coaxing, never a headache, wide open menu, ability to put BOTH legs around you, no bitching and complaining or "to do" lists. Best of all, she leaves when you're done, and comes back the next day, ready for another round. All at 1/7th the cost, with no legal fees.

Romance can be a delicate subject as every lady has her own perceptions and requirements. Communication is generally one such aspect......based on your theory of sex lasting 1 hr, possibly talking about yourself for 59 mins before emulating a Ro-Ro ferry for the remaining time would be a good starting point for you to address ?.

However, and I hope you won't think me as being ageist here, being a Guardian reader as you know, but, erm,the bit above about a "22 year old hot babe" feeling the passion and desire to entwine her body with your own...you being 61.??.....that said, a young lady could well be enraptured with the sight of your finely honed physique, debonair charm and personality and cast aside any reservations before enticing you into a day / evening of torrid lust......the world therefore awaits, not for the first time, a photo that will go viral when you present your lithe body for women to swoon over.....

Is it just me, or is it better to rent?

Alas, you are not alone....see JB for moral support here.

Mechta
10th Dec 2014, 16:48
Mechta, if you really think a marriage is about providing the service mainly - what about couples where one has medical issues, for example? Or men working rosters. No service provider, no marriage? And isn't it interesting how male persons all for polygamy take it for granted that it applies to men mostly. Probes, in a world of over 7 billion people, there are bound to be people who will find a soulmate in someone with whom they cannot have a sexual relationship. It may be that it is in fact easier to maintain a relationship of love and respect with someone who can't than with someone who just won't.

If you read the article to which I provided a link, you will see the assertion that some women effectively do strive for a polygamous relationship, albeit in the form of serial monogamy, with each partner lasting for four years.

In extreme circumstances, such as that immediately after the First World War, perhaps an acceptance of the reality and accepting the benefit in that instance of polygamous relationships would have prevented the generation of childless spinsters and burden of all the childrearing on the 'lucky' few women who found or kept a husband.

KBPsen
10th Dec 2014, 16:54
Men have always found it easy to blame women for their own insecurities.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 16:55
I would dispute the generality of anything the mass media represent. Rise of the metrosexual? There were very few outside the wine bars Guardian reporters tend to hang around in. I have never ever met a metrosexual, and I do get out.

Let's try some real data
? Global apparel market size projections 2012-2025 | Statistic (http://www.statista.com/statistics/279757/apparel-market-size-projections-by-region/)
The massive rise expected in apparel sales is due to the Chinese and Indians having some more cash. US sales expected to rise by 1.8% annually, less than inflation.

It's all just a marketing gimmick to try and make it look far more prevalent than it is.
Men's grooming product trends, industry analysis, market share and analysis (http://www.euromonitor.com/mens-grooming)
Most of the country reports here show the grooming 'boom' didn't happen.

MG23
10th Dec 2014, 17:11
Men have always found it easy to blame women for their own insecurities.

Hardly. Most of the laws that make marriage a liability for men were passed by... men.

KBPsen
10th Dec 2014, 17:21
Hardly...He shoots, and misses by a mile. Have you actually read the thread, the opener or the comments?

Feast your eyes on misogynist extraordinaire, Capetonian, who, like clockwork, always pops up on threads like this, with further proof that he is unable to relate to women in any other way than as objects.

He is just one of many.

Capetonian
10th Dec 2014, 17:32
Feast your eyes on misogynist extraordinaire, Capetonian, who, like clockwork, always pops up on threads like this, with further proof that he is unable to relate to women in any other way than as objects.
You do write the most utter drivel sometimes. Sense of humour failure?
Perhaps you can justify that comment.
On second thoughts, don't bother, just carry on believing what you want to believe.
If, like a number of people on Pprune, you knew me personally, you'd know how utterly and absurdly wrong you are.
I know what you're thinking, and the feeling is mutual.

KBPsen
10th Dec 2014, 17:43
Perhaps you can justify that comment.Of course I can.

In this thread you have reduced a relationship to a woman to a financial transaction. Whenever there is a tread about a woman in a position of power or influence, up you pop with a remark about her looks and how you certainly wouldn't shag her. As if it was of any relevance at all.

And just to be clear, most women wouldn't want to shag you either, as you, by your own account are a bald and small man. Also physically.

Capetonian
10th Dec 2014, 17:52
You think that's justification? You're a bit of a clown.

In this thread you have reduced a relationship to a woman to a financial transaction.Yes, a relationship between a wealthy and famous man and a most unpleasant gold-digger, and a commercial relationship between a man and a prostitute, who is simply a woman who is paid to provide a service. My comments thereon have no bearing at all on my personal life, something of which you have no knowledge and accordingly no right to comment.

Whenever there is a tread about a woman in a position of power or influence, up you pop with a remark about her looks and how you certainly wouldn't shag her.Possibly, in jest, but then again, your sense of humour seems to be rather lacking.

And just to be clear, most women wouldn't want to shag you either, as you, by your own account are a bald and small man. Also physically.May I ask how many women who know me personally you've polled to obtain this staggering result?
No, I didn't think so.

As I said, you're a bit of a clown but not a very funny one.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 17:53
Oi!
I'm getting a bit fed up with this on JB. Can we get back to the point please?

Let's stick to playing the argument, not the person.

Capetonian made a point about a relationship, not all of them. And it was a valid point. Financially, a relationship for sex alone now means marriage makes no sense at all for men. It means a man needs an awful lot more from a marriage to make it worthwhile - things a lot of people (presumably you KBPsen, and me, and probably Capetonian also) think should be there anyway. He was quite clear it was a personal opinion (Is it just me, or is it better to rent?).

rgbrock1
10th Dec 2014, 18:07
I'm actually surprised that one or more of the Mods hasn't swooped down upon KBP's head yet. Especially considering his outright personal insults to Capetonian.

KBPsen
10th Dec 2014, 18:10
Yes, a relationship between a wealthy and famous man and a most unpleasant gold-digger... who is simply a woman who is paid to provide a service You seem unable not to diminish women.

Possibly, in jest...The old "I was only joking" defense. How predictable.

May I ask how many women who know me personally you've polled to obtain this staggering result?Are you suggesting that most women would want to shag you?

As I said, you're a bit of a clown but not a very funny one. I wasn't trying to be funny or pretend I was jesting.

SpringHeeledJack
10th Dec 2014, 18:51
May I just support mr fox in asking for the topic be discussed and not attacks against posters personally ? Whether someone writes something that we don't agree with, it shouldn't have to go to personal insults, especially as this is cyberspace and all is not what it seems.

The changing of the natural and/or historical way of things between the sexes for better or worse has and is and will have profound effects on a micro and macro level. Men 'opting out' appears to be one of those effects.


SHJ

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 20:58
Why Don?t Men Hate Being Single As Much As Women Do? (http://www.evanmarckatz.com/blog/dating-tips-advice/why-don%E2%80%99t-men-hate-being-single-as-much-as-women-do/)

con-pilot
10th Dec 2014, 21:18
It has been my experience that married women, on the whole, cannot stand a good looking, heterosexual male, being a contented, happily single man.

As I was a very contented, happy single man. Until I met my wife when I was not looking for one, even then it was six years before we got married.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 21:23
They do seem to feel obliged to fix you up a blind date with one of their single female friends.

con-pilot
10th Dec 2014, 21:34
They do seem to feel obliged to fix you up a blind date with one of their single female friends.

Never really minded that as long as there was a hot tub involved.

Which by the way, I had one at my home, along with a pool table.

Plus, I always had a couple of steaks in my refrigerator ready for grilling, plus a stocked bar.

The wives of my married friends hated it when their husbands came by my home for a few drinks without them. :E

Metro man
10th Dec 2014, 21:41
I knew a flying school owner who got divorced and used exactly the same mathematical formula, settlement divided by number of copulations came out at $1500 per event and this was over twenty years ago.

He made his money by renting out the wings and lost most of it by "buying" instead of renting another thing.

Capetonian
10th Dec 2014, 21:48
You seem unable not to diminish women.I note that you have changed what I actually wrote in order to make it appear different. Rather a sly attempt to try to demean someone's view.

I've picked two very high profile examples, in the public eye, to illustrate a point. In case anyone should misunderstand my comment about the prostitute, it was not meant in any way as a slight. A prostitute provides a service in the same way as any other provider, it's a useful commercial transaction and I pass no judgment.

Are you suggesting that most women would want to shag you?Obviously not, since I haven't had the pleasure of meeting 'most women', even if you have in order to arrive at the conclusion that, in your words, 'they wouldn't want to shag me' and if you believe I said that, perhaps you have a problem with comprehension. I simply asked you how you arrived at this conclusion and what entitled you to launch your attack on me. you haven't answered, because, of course, you can't.
And just to be clear, most women wouldn't want to shag you either, as you, by your own account are a bald and small man. Also physically.
I wasn't trying to be funny or pretend I was jesting. Funnily enough, I didn't think you were, since you appear to be devoid of both a sense of humour, and of fairness in debating. That is clear from some of your comments on other threads.

You can carry on with your ad hominem attacks against me as long as you wish, you demean only yourself.

Lonewolf_50
10th Dec 2014, 22:04
I note an objective analysis by Capetonian responded to by KBPsen and Krystal with emotion based posts.

Score: Cape 2 Detractors 0
(OK, he was a bit cynical in that analysis, but isn't that the topic of the thread?)

My advice to men:

a. Marry when you are ready, and only then. Take as long as you like to get ready.
Anecdote: it is a damned good thing I waited until I was 29, as I am pretty sure it would not have lasted had I married earlier. I wasn't ready until then.

b. Women don't make as big a deal over the age of a man, to be attracted to, as men seem to make over women. Use that to your advantage as you shop around.

c. Last bit of advice: when in your twenties, ladies in their thirties are an underappreciated source of companionship and recreation, or can be. If you haven't investigated this area of opportunity, you may wish to.

My dos centavos.

probes
10th Dec 2014, 22:23
Fox:
Quote:
there's pressure on parents to be 'perfect' and 'give all to their children'
Pressure from whom?
Where is the logic behind this pressure?
(n.b. intended as neutral questions)

Pressure from the society - in my mind. Parents are supposed to be good by doing 'everything'. Well, it's beginning to change a bit - let's hope it's not too late.

But generally it's hopeless, even without the idiotic insults to persons. One should be able to understand banter, irony and more or less serious talk.
I mean, people think about their personal experience, the media is after scandal and the shocking, and no generalizations are valid anyway. Plus the cultural differences - the norms of the 'western wealthy' (concerning the I-absolutely-want-these-things) do not apply to many countries.
If people were able to figure out what they really need and want, the world would be a lot better place. I mean, why not be married because you (both) need the sex most - but be honest about it. If she needs money most - well, get divorced then.

P.S I agree with Mr. Wolf, the Lone One
Marry when you are ready, and only then.
the only problem is - often one realizes afterwards - he/she wasn't...

P.P.S as for the OP about men 'opting out' - it saves a lot of trouble, of course. Era of conveniences...

Tankertrashnav
10th Dec 2014, 22:40
Lonewolf - glad things worked out ok for you, but I dont think there is any ideal age to get married. I got engaged at 21 a month or so after meeting my future wife, got married at 22 and so far it's lasted. Just luck, I guess.

Mind you, if Mrs TTN carries on squeezing the toothpaste tube in the middle much longer, that situation may not necessarily last ;)

Capetonian
10th Dec 2014, 22:42
I don't know who originally said this but I've heard it a few times :

"A man would rather walk to the shop and buy a pint of milk when he needs it than keep a cow at home."

probes
10th Dec 2014, 22:59
oh, Cape, you just have to... :sad: :E :p

hereby you'll be under the spell of sour milk forever! :E

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 23:00
However, when I discovered the shop where I had bought a pint of milk the week before was held up at the same time the next week by a teenage girl with a gun, copies of Progressive Dairyman Magazine suddenly became a lot more interesting.

Probes - I'm very curious about where this originates. Friends in France have described the 'Petit Roi' syndrome, where not only does the child do nothing, but the child can also do no wrong. They put it down to many families only having one child. As a teacher (in the independent sector), I would always emphasise that children needed clues and encouragement, not things doing for them. I changed my coursework around so that a fair proportion of it was now done in class (so parents couldn't do it for them). One or two parents went 'ape', yet my students went on to do markedly better in exams (and coursework) than the colleagues who allowed work at home.

con-pilot
10th Dec 2014, 23:15
colleagues who allowed work at home

ALLOWED?????????????

What is this allowed nonsense?

I hated taking work home, i.e. 'Homework'! :*

Course the threat of death by slow means by my mother if I did not do said 'homework' by myself, might have had something to do about that.

Hell, if my parents had done it for me, I may have liked it. :p

Mechta
10th Dec 2014, 23:27
I'm very curious about where this originates. Friends in France have described the 'Petit Roi' syndrome, where not only does the child do nothing, but the child can also do no wrong. They put it down to many families only having one child. An all too common problem. Often the mother loves the child to the exclusion of all others, especially her husband, and cannot bear the thought that anyone has a better way of bringing up their darling child than they have. In the mother's eyes, the father's only purpose to provide financial support. She despises him as he dares to criticise her child rearing methods. On occasions when the mother asks the father to reprimand the child, the likelihood is that within moments the mother will be siding with the child and turning it into a character assassination of the father. If the mother doesn't work, the situation is even worse, as the child will become the mother's raison d'être.

Putting the child on a pedestal like this, will often give the child unrealistic ideas of their self importance, leading to trouble at school, and perhaps with the law.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
10th Dec 2014, 23:57
UK national coursework in Science, prior to 2007, was intended to be done largely outside class time. This was very widely abused, both by parents helping students and teachers helping students. The abuse started around 2000 when the Government started overtly criticising state school staff who did not achieve improvements every year. The teacher help was widely condoned by the exam boards (I used to go to the meetings), who were also being assessed on improving grades every year.
The results were in fact better if the student actually did the work, guided by good science teachers, but in physics good teachers were as rare as rocking horse sh!t, and are now as rare as honest politicians.

Men solely as a source of funds appears to be a common problem. I recall talking to some girls' school old girls about reunions, and they admitted that, though they wished it were different, the initial conversations largely revolved around how stylish they each were, their weight, and how much their husbands earned.

mikedreamer787
11th Dec 2014, 00:08
Goody, more room for us old farts in the marketplace then!:ok:Hasn't filtered through to Asia yet Mr golf. :(

But I'm attractive since round eyes indicate
I'm supposed to have a fat wallet - and so
therefore a very desirable bed partner even
though I'm officially in the old fart category. :)

MG23
11th Dec 2014, 00:43
b. Women don't make as big a deal over the age of a man, to be attracted to, as men seem to make over women. Use that to your advantage as you shop around.

Much easier for a 50-year-old man to have kids than an 50-year-old woman.

mikedreamer787
11th Dec 2014, 00:48
Not necessarily. What bloke would
want to have kids at 50? :bored:

MG23
11th Dec 2014, 00:58
Not necessarily. What bloke would
want to have kids at 50? :bored:

A rich one?

mikedreamer787
11th Dec 2014, 00:59
Yeah I see your point.

He'd need a governess or nanny of sorts.

con-pilot
11th Dec 2014, 01:12
Not necessarily. What bloke would
want to have kids at 50?

Well, don't know that I can say for sure, but our daughter left her husband (:D:D:D YES!!!! Hooray!!!! Hooray!!! :D:D:D) Thanksgiving Day and moved back in with our two year old grandson.

At 67 it is damn hard to have a two year old running around the house full time. :{


Course, on the other hand, if I was wealthy already, I would be living in a huge mansion with a separate wing for them and just see them at dinner time. ;)

mikedreamer787
11th Dec 2014, 01:23
I understand Thurston and Lovey did
the same with any loose anklebiters
who stayed at the Howell mansion.

Krystal n chips
11th Dec 2014, 04:26
Capetonian made a point about a relationship, not all of them. And it was a valid point. Financially, a relationship for sex alone now means marriage makes no sense at all for men. It means a man needs an awful lot more from a marriage to make it worthwhile - things a lot of people (presumably you KBPsen, and me, and probably Capetonian also) think should be there anyway. He was quite clear it was a personal opinion (Is it just me, or is it better to rent

How romantic !....you seem to have missed out one teeny little detail....well several actually, the first being that a relationship involves two people, the second, in this case, being a Woman.

Oddly enough, the lady may also have emotions and, for some inexplicable reason ( this being 2014 in case you were unaware ) may take exception to being regarded as a convenient source of sexual pleasure and to be itemised in the manner of a shopping or restaurant bill thereafter.

It's both amusing, and also very disturbing, to read the manifestations of the male ego and the deep rooted insecurities of those ego's on here because you gain the distinct impression there is no difference between their views on an internet forum and those in their daily lives.

SpringHeeledJack
11th Dec 2014, 06:16
It seems as if the male is now questioning exactly 'what can you offer me' when considering a long liaison with a female and this appears to offend and infuriate the female of the species, and yet this is exactly how the female of the species has regarded and selected the male, in the main. The man thinks with a short term horizon when meeting a woman, the woman's horizon is a wee bit further and around the corner. This now is changing. As to whether this is a good development I cannot say.


SHJ

probes
11th Dec 2014, 07:09
I'm very curious about where this originates
too much free time. People used to live with their kids, which means the kids had to give their share of work - now they'd probably be sentenced for slavery.


Often the mother loves the child to the exclusion of all others, especially her husband
:ouch: bitterness rules your hand, Mechta!
Even though this time I'd agree. In broad lines (depending on how much the father actually is with the child/does things with the child).

It seems as if the male is now questioning exactly 'what can you offer me'
hm. Hasn't everybody since the beginning of the times? It's the expected answer that might infuriate (the services, support - mental or monetary -, a companion etc.)

Mechta
11th Dec 2014, 09:11
Quote:
Often the mother loves the child to the exclusion of all others, especially her husband
:ouch: bitterness rules your hand, Mechta!
Even though this time I'd agree. In broad lines (depending on how much the father actually is with the child/does things with the child).

Probes, One can observe the relationships of others. I had two cases in mind, neither of which are in my own immediate family.

Blacksheep
11th Dec 2014, 10:50
It has to be by design, It is. Social engineering. By a socialist political elite. The purpose is to create a majority voter base who are biased to vote for the socialist elite politicians. This will ensure power, control and wealth remain in the hands of the elite. The latest proposal is to enfranchise 16 year olds - people with naive and undeveloped political opinions.

You have to read the right political science books.

Octopussy2
11th Dec 2014, 12:01
Yes, of course, because plainly the view that a woman is not a commodity is not one that could be held by a man :ugh:

One Outsider
11th Dec 2014, 12:23
It's effing sad, isn't it Octopussy2, how some believe that having a dick means you have to act like one too.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
11th Dec 2014, 12:23
As to whether this is a good development I cannot say.

It's an honest development.

There is a long way to go yet in truly providing gender equality, and at the same time ensuring a sustainable population. There are still a lot of changes needed from our grandparents' 'woman stays at home, man pays for everything' experience.

Seldomfitforpurpose
11th Dec 2014, 12:41
It's an honest development.

There is a long way to go yet in truly providing gender equality, and at the same time ensuring a sustainable population. There are still a lot of changes needed from our grandparents' 'woman stays at home, man pays for everything' experience.

The trouble is defining what exactly gender equality is, because what we currently have is no where near to it.

SpringHeeledJack
11th Dec 2014, 13:23
Yes, of course, because plainly the view that a woman is not a commodity is not one that could be held by a man

Forgive me if I've missed it, but where has anyone inferred that women are a commodity on this thread :confused::confused::confused: So far I've read of varying males (although one can never be sure on the web) who seem to feel that things are so weighted against them that they prefer to be footloose and fancy free.


SHJ

MG23
11th Dec 2014, 13:43
So far I've read of varying males (although one can never be sure on the web) who seem to feel that things are so weighted against them that they prefer to be footloose and fancy free.

The left are always desperate to find something they can pretend to be offended by, in order to derail any real discussion and make it all about them.

The real point, in this case, is that the left have spent decades working to destroy marriage in the name of 'wimmin's rights', because the family is an alternate power structure that threatens the Glorious People's State. What they failed to notice is that monogamous marriage was invented to give men something productive to do, rather than watching porn and making trouble. Even the Soviet Union wasn't that dumb.

Lonewolf_50
11th Dec 2014, 13:47
The left are always desperate to find something they can pretend to be offended by, in order to derail any real discussion and make it all about them.

The real point, in this case, is that the left have spent decades working to destroy marriage in the name of 'wimmin's rights', because the family is an alternate power structure that threatens the Glorious People's State. What they failed to notice is that monogamous marriage was invented to give men something productive to do, rather than watching porn and making trouble. Even the Soviet Union wasn't that dumb.
The other point raised is that one need not be equipped with a cnut to post like one. I suppose that criticism encompasses a pretty broad population sample. :p

Octopussy2
11th Dec 2014, 13:57
henry Capetonian's posts frequently display what can only be described as blatant and persistent misogyny (I make no comment as to the man himself, only his posts).

Pointing that out does not a "rampant womanist" make.

Funnily enough, I don't see myself as something to be bought or rented, but interesting to note that it appears you do. I infer from your post that you have also chosen not to have children - possibly a good thing, as if you had had daughters, what attitudes would they have absorbed from you about their worth?

SHJ You have indeed missed it. Either take my word for it, or go back and read more slowly, although I think you'll find henry crun's post encapsulates the notion neatly, without the need for further reading.

Lonewolf_50
11th Dec 2014, 14:04
I infer from your post that you have also chosen not to have children - possibly a good thing, as if you had had daughters, what attitudes would they have absorbed from you about their worth?
The assumptions, inferences, innuendo and personal attacks arrive on schedule.
Does it bother you how many assumptions you had to make about someone you have not met to arrive at that last conclusion?

If it doesn't, it should.

Capetonian
11th Dec 2014, 14:21
Capetonian's posts frequently display what can only be described as blatant and persistent misogyny (I make no comment as to the man himself, only his posts).
Octopussy2 : At least, by virtue of your disclaimer, you haven't launched a personal attack on me, as did KBPSEN or whatever his/her name is.

It's odd that someone who's never met me (KBPSEN, not you) can infer that :


I am a misogynist extraordinaire who always pops up on threads like this
I think all women would want to shag me (don't these contradict each other?)
I am unable to relate to women in any other way than as objects.
Most women wouldn't want to shag me either, as I am a bald and small man. Also physically.

Maybe you could give me some examples of my misogyny?

Mechta
11th Dec 2014, 14:24
Funnily enough, I don't see myself as something to be bought or rented However there are women, who, of their own free will, can be. The point that is being made is that it is cheaper for a man to satisfy his needs with one of these women, than to attempt to do so through marriage with one who has a different and probably undeclared agenda.

If everyone was up front and honest about what they want from of a relationship, in terms of sex, children, financial security, companionship, etc., the world would be a much happier place.

SpringHeeledJack
11th Dec 2014, 14:40
If everyone was up front and honest about what they want from of a relationship, in terms of sex, children, financial security, companionship, etc., the world would be a much happier place.


:D:D:D:D


SHJ

Octopussy2
11th Dec 2014, 14:41
Lonewolf - my assumption from the post in question was that it was a person who had (a) chosen not to get married and (b) chosen not to have children (because I think there is a general concensus that the latter is something best undertaken with some kind of long-term commitment, ideally to the other parent, but if that is not possible then at least of financial support for one's offspring while they are young) - which seemed to be entirely inconsistent with the statement "enjoy as many women as possible without actually buying one".

I think it's a logical and reasonable assumption. Of course, there's no guarantee it's correct, but I don't think it's unreasonable in the context of what was said.

Seldomfitforpurpose
11th Dec 2014, 14:48
Lonewolf - my assumption from the post in question was that it was a person who had (a) chosen not to get married and (b) chosen not to have children (because I think there is a general concensus that the latter is something best undertaken with some kind of long-term commitment, ideally to the other parent, but if that is not possible then at least of financial support for one's offspring while they are young) - which seemed to be entirely inconsistent with the statement "enjoy as many women as possible without actually buying one".

I think it's a logical and reasonable assumption. Of course, there's no guarantee it's correct, but I don't think it's unreasonable in the context of what was said.


Would your offence have been so taken if the highlighted above actually read as follows


"enjoy as many women as possible without actually marrying one".?

probes
11th Dec 2014, 14:51
ditto (SHJ)!

And, Mechta, don't you think gold-digging seems to be a more womanly trait because there are more rich men (for historic reasons)? It is not that rare for young men to find mécènes to help their thrivings (but not as oft as for young females)?

Mechta
11th Dec 2014, 15:56
And, Mechta, don't you think gold-digging seems to be a more womanly trait because there are more rich men (for historic reasons)? It is not that rare for young men to find mécènes to help their thrivings? Probes, yes I believe it is. Possibly because there are more rich men, but also because women are generally more concerned about their biological clock ticking faster, from a child bearing and perceived looks point of view, than men are. As a result, they may be thinking, 'I must catch a man, by fair means or foul, whilst I stand a chance of doing so'. Unless a woman has the likelihood of a financially successful career, or has family wealth, she knows that the degree of comfort in which she and her children will live is largely dependent on the current or anticipated wealth of her husband. Very few people strive for discomfort, so, all other things being equal, she is going to aim for the wealthiest man she can find.

I don't think it is particularly common for younger men to find a mécène, although it may not be that difficult to do so. Certainly there are younger men who seek 'cougars', as they know that they are not there for their ability to provide for a future family.

I have long believed that what humans should really be doing is treating life in two parts. In the first part, pairing off with a partner of an older generation who can offer experience, as well as emotional and financial stability, then when the older partner either dies or needs care, one finds a younger partner who will provide the sexual needs, and the two would care for their older partner(s), if still living.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
11th Dec 2014, 16:19
This may be true, but it doesn't change the issue of men staying single.

In the simplest terms, forming a permanent relationship is now too risky for many males. If it fails, and the woman can be the sole arbiter of this, with no reason needed, she walks off with the money (and the kids, if any).

probes
11th Dec 2014, 19:12
I have long believed that what humans should really be doing is treating life in two parts. In the first part, ...
oh, Mechta, you're an optimist after all! :D Somehow very few people are able to put up with the idea of their partner 'pairing off' with someone else :).
Well, but if it were your way, it would be perfectly organised (no irony even, I think. Am almost sure?).

Krystal n chips
12th Dec 2014, 05:37
It's odd that someone who's never met me (KBPSEN, not you) can infer that :
•I am a misogynist extraordinaire who always pops up on threads like this
•I think all women would want to shag me (don't these contradict each other?)
•I am unable to relate to women in any other way than as objects.
•Most women wouldn't want to shag me either, as I am a bald and small man. Also physically.
Maybe you could give me some examples of my misogyny?

Since you asked, please allow me assist you here...

There is no need to have met you, although it's fair to say I would be delighted to do so...... along with a few others on here, as your vanity has revealed your character and personality to the world.

Forming an opinion therefore is straightforward as you have kindly provided all the information to make an assessment based on fact.

As for the examples your memory seems to have deleted, lets have a quick think...your opinion of the ladies at the Grand National, the lady who both smoked and drank coffee !.....the one who preferred Facebook to listening to you, the lady on the train in France, and the seemingly, innumerable "ex" girlfriends, the lady in the restaurant in the "drink / drive" thread.... and, not forgetting your penchant for drama, the one who was, allegedly, going to blaclmail you......although I did think of the Monthy Python sketch when you mentioned this.

Fox 3's views on relationships make equally disturbing reading. Makes you wonder if he asks a lady what her N.P.V is really .

MagnusP
12th Dec 2014, 07:43
Cape, K'n'C seems to be stalking you. Let me know if you'd like a laugh at his latest, and I'll quote it.

Seldomfitforpurpose
12th Dec 2014, 07:54
Cape, K'n'C seems to be stalking you. Let me know if you'd like a laugh at his latest, and I'll quote it.

You noticed as well? It does make me wonder how and why the 'grown ups' allow it, it clearly contravenes the 'man and ball' regs and happens all over the forums.

It's quite rare for the person in question to actually offer an opinion on subject matter, usually all contributions seem to be nowt but snide digs and personal attacks but I suppose if it keeps the hit counter ticking it's good for business :ok:

Octopussy2
12th Dec 2014, 08:58
SFFP - yes, it was the "buying" reference I found offensive. You may argue that it (marriage) comes to the same thing, but IMHO it doesn't and shouldn't.

Blacksheep
12th Dec 2014, 09:07
I feel sorry for misogynists. They're missing all the fun. :)

surely not
12th Dec 2014, 09:09
I'm not sure that men buy anything, it seems more like a reverse takeover to me!!

Capetonian
12th Dec 2014, 09:10
I have noticed the disturbing obsession that this odd individual (KnC) has with me. I don't waste time reading the pathetic attacks as s/he is on my ignore list but I do see them on the morning update and a quick glance tells me all I need to know, or rather, don't need to know!

I rarely use the expression 'get a life' as it's an irritating one, but KnC does seem to need to do just that.

As for the personal attacks, I am more than capable of defending myself against the regurgitated bile that s/he spews out.

Clearly others find it entertaining and that's fine with me.

Seldomfitforpurpose
12th Dec 2014, 09:56
SFFP - yes, it was the "buying" reference I found offensive. You may argue that it (marriage) comes to the same thing, but IMHO it doesn't and shouldn't.


We have been happily married for 35 years and I have never seen it as any sort of financial transaction BUT I can see why men who have reached an age without ever marrying might :ok:

SpringHeeledJack
12th Dec 2014, 11:13
The subject of misogyny is writ large in the press, yet the equal prejudice of misandry gathers nary a word. And then there's the 'xxxdry' that pertains to women being denigrating towards other women :rolleyes: There is an agenda out there. No doubt in 2 generations no one will be married/co-habiting except for those of a certain faith and cohesion will be but a memory. I wonder if we'll look back and rue the path taken ?


SHJ

MagnusP
12th Dec 2014, 11:46
I've never yet had to avail myself of a commercial transaction (unless you count dinner and flowers), but I can see reasons why they exist.

Couple get married, have a few lovely kids, devoted &c., then one is widowed. Kids wouldn't want to see parent with a new wife (or husband), survivor isn't up to another long-term commitment, or doesn't want to take the risk of encountering a gold-digger, but the juices are still flowing. An hour's horizontal refreshment in exchange for a handful of notes is probably acceptable, but IF and ONLY IF the provider of such refreshment has taken to pursue that activity as a career choice.

Sadly all too often, it's young trafficked girls who've been introduced to the joys of heroin and forced into prostitution to pay their dealer. That is abhorrent.

Seldomfitforpurpose
12th Dec 2014, 11:57
I've never yet had to avail myself of a commercial transaction (unless you count dinner and flowers), but I can see reasons why they exist.




There is no real need to pay for vanilla fun nowadays, sites like Plenty of Fish have more than enough women on there looking for NSA fun with likeminded guys and girls. Before retiring a couple of years back I worked with a SNCO who simply reeled them in, no pun intended, on an almost weekly basis using that site.


On a weekend here in sleepy Wilts I would bet my house that a night out in town could and probably would end in a night of bare arsed boxing should that be a need for me to satisfy and I am not exactly Brad Pitt.


That is in no way a denigration of women but a simple acknowledgement that there are enough women out there with the same desires and wants and they feel empowered to do so.

Lonewolf_50
12th Dec 2014, 12:01
SFFP - yes, it was the "buying" reference I found offensive. You may argue that it (marriage) comes to the same thing, but IMHO it doesn't and shouldn't. I agree that it shouldn't, but that doesn't mean that in some circles such is the case. As the net worth rises, so too the mercenary mating.
For the less wealthy, such as myself and my one and only (married 26 years this January) there's none of this "buy versus rent" nonsense. We are in it together forever.
The examples that Cape points to is a reflection of what people in the wealthy world, and celebrities, do with marriage and to it. :mad:

Capetonian
12th Dec 2014, 12:21
As I am already branded as a misogynist and someone who only sees women as objects (by a couple of people who are utterly irrelevant and insignificant in my life), I can do my tattered and defamed reputation no further harm by quoting this famous story :

A man asks a woman if she would sleep with him if he pays her an exorbitant sum.

She replies affirmatively.

He then names a paltry amount and asks if she would still be willing to sleep with him for the revised fee.

The woman is greatly offended and replies as follows:

She: "What do you think I am?"

He: We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.
Demeaning as it may appear to the female of the species, it is unfortunately, like many 'jokes', based on one of the realities of life, which is that women tend to look for security.

Here's another :

A 'husband store' is laid out in five floors, with the men increasing in positive attributes as the womam visitors ascend. The rule is, once a woman opens the door to any floor, she must choose a man from that floor.
The sign on the First floor reads, "These men have jobs and love kids."
Second floor, "These men have high paying jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking."
Third floor, "These men have high paying jobs, are extremely good looking, love kids and help with the housework."
Fourth floor, "These men have high paying jobs, love kids, are extremely good looking, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak."
Fifth floor, "This floor is empty and exists only to prove that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping."

To avoid gender bias charges, the store's owner opened a Wives Store across the street.
The first floor has wives that love sex.
The second floor has good looking wives that love sex, cook well, and enjoy watching sports while drinking beer.
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Private jet
12th Dec 2014, 13:11
The modern female thought process....

If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat race , you're a male chauvinist. If you stay at home and do the housework, you're a pansy.

If you work long hours, there's never any time for her. If you don't work enough, you're a good for nothing bum.

If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay, this is exploitation. If you have a boring repetitive job with low pay, you should get off your lazy backside and find something better.

If you get a promotion ahead of her, that's favouritism. If she gets promoted ahead of you then its equal opportunity.

If you mention how good she looks, its sexual harassment. If you keep quiet, its male indifference.

If you cry, you're a wimp. If you don't, then you're an insensitive [email protected]

If you make a decision without consulting her, you're a chauvinist. If she makes a decision without consulting you, she's a liberated woman.

If you ask her to do something she doesn't like, that's domination. If she asks you, then its a favour.

If you appreciate the female form in sexy underwear, you're a pervert. If you don't, you're gay.

If you try to keep yourself in shape, you're vain. If you don't, you're a slob.

If you bring her flowers, you're after something. If you don't, then you're not thoughtful.

If you're proud of your achievements, you're full of yourself. If not, then you're not ambitious enough.

If she has a headache, she's tired. If you have a headache, you don't love her anymore.

If you want it too often, you're oversexed. If you don't want it enough, then there must be someone else.

rgbrock1
12th Dec 2014, 13:45
Private Jet:

That about sums it up all rather nicely, and accurately. Beeches. :E

I've written about the following incident before in JB but as it is appropriate in the current context, I'll repeat.

Many moons ago at a job I was working I was going outside to have a cigarette. (Yes, I know. Horror of all horrors. Too bad, deal with it. I still smoke.) As I was exiting the building a rather nice-looking woman was not far behind me. Doing what I thought was the gentlemanly thing to do,I held the door open for her.
Just as she passed me by she said "Thank you. But I bet you did that because you want to get in my pants, pig."

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

The thought had occurred to me to respond along the lines of "No thanks, I don't like the stench of rancid tuna fish" but thought better of it.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
12th Dec 2014, 14:00
Problem solved here in Frozenland - everybody holds the door open for everybody, regardless of gender, age, WHY.:ok:

probes
12th Dec 2014, 15:30
Demeaning as it may appear to the female of the species
actually, a thing I've never been able to fully understand - why exactly does it have to be about the 'species' (except for the jokes, that is). When it's about some persons actually.
Just as she passed me by she said "Thank you. But I bet you did that because you want to get in my pants, pig."
oh, you didn't then, did you. :}

rgbrock1
12th Dec 2014, 15:52
probes wrote:

oh, you didn't then, did you.

Ahhhhhhh, NO. :ok:

probes
12th Dec 2014, 15:55
:) :E

ok, sth really heartwarming for a change and I don't know which thread it should go to, so here it is:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/12/23FFB1BB00000578-0-image-a-16_1418392365004.jpg
Two-year-old Ruby Wilson welcomes home her father Chief Petty Officer Tug Wilson after the posting which included patrols in the Gulf and operations in the Mediterranean
(and it's the Wail, so I won't post the link).

goudie
12th Dec 2014, 16:45
The sum total of my experience of women is:-
They all want to be wanted...they don't all want
to be had!

That is a lovely pic probes

Fox3WheresMyBanana
12th Dec 2014, 18:09
Are men or women naturally monogamous? From a biological standpoint (evolutionary psychology), the answer appears to be no (at least, not for longer than 4 years). From a sociological standpoint, the answer is that some are (both genders), but it depends on the society.

In western society, a marriage certificate isn't worth the paper it's written on from a social standpoint, since divorce today generally carries no social stigma whatsoever.

The justice system however is seriously biased against males (and some of the worst offenders are male judges) when 'permanent' relationships end, be they marriage or common law relationships (where they exist).

Thus it should come as no surprise that men are tending to opt out of permanent relationships.

probes
12th Dec 2014, 18:13
and by "permanent relationships" you mean what? Something written down on official paper(s)?
People still like some more than others and like their company?

Nothing is permanent, btw.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
12th Dec 2014, 18:35
Yes, I mean in the legal sense - "till death us do part" etc.
It can also be taken in the stated sense - if the couple promise to remain monogamous, and to care for each other "In sickness and in health". What is anyone worth if their word is worth nothing?


http://conservativewoman.co.uk/laura-perrins-call-sexodus-men-retreat-women/

This amused me from the comments
MrVeryAngry • 4 hours ago
My wife has told me to tell you that I don't agree with your article.

probes
12th Dec 2014, 20:03
What is anyone worth if their word is worth nothing?
words are words, often spoken with the best of intents.
Life is life, on the other hand, and no-one knows how it'll work out.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
12th Dec 2014, 21:32
Promises are things you know you can keep, not things you hope you can keep.

Fantome
12th Dec 2014, 21:46
The delivery of bias from the bench is nowhere seen more supreme than in Australian family law courts , especially from the chief justice, Nicholson. In an outstanding bit of investigative journalism, John Hirst brought much critical light to bear upon the appallingly disadvantaged fathers.


https://books.google.com.au/books?id=PRb9AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=quarterly+essay++justice+nicholson&source=bl&ots=4RPsbRTmZs&sig=lBiwQ-eIa3BWeADuuHCRtKt65qs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BG6LVL-BEYf88QWouYD4BA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=quarterly%20essay%20%20justice%20nicholson&f=false