Another roster disaster

[East coast]

Second top bid, not event a hint of my bid. Been doing this for 7 years successfully.
Anybody have an email to analyze my bid ask for assistance..:ugh:

[harry the cod]

Email any of the guys on the CSR bid support team, they should be able to take a look for you. :ok:

Harry

[Omar_Baba]

Doubt it was your bidding. I'm second top too and had a peek via Apollo yesterday and it was what I wanted (had been so for a couple of days). Then checked when the roster came out and lots of flights in the wrong direction but more disappointing was the main points of my bid... A flight back to see my wife and new born on Christmas Day gone. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[East coast]

Thanks Harry
Sent off an email.
Not that it's gonna change anything.
Eswap here I come...

[skysod]

Think yourselves lucky......at least you have your roster........still not published at FZ!!!:mad:

[Eau de Boeing]

Think I would rather have lived in hope for a couple of days instead.........

[Buford]

I'm starting to think they've scrapped the bid system altogether but have failed to let us know. They've kept the software up so we continue to live in hope that we might, one day, get something we've actually requested. Like many others I'm also second top bid - got nothing from my bid.

[Mister Warning]

Didn't you get the memo?

[Fromagio]

Im second top bid and I'm wondering if I've got someone else's roster as it doesn't resemble anything like what I bid for in the slightest - wtf?!??

[GoreTex]

I am saying that for years, the system is off, if you get what you want its just a coincidence.
for almost 2 years I am trying to get a certain flight and had no luck, in dec I am in bottom and didn't even bid and got it.

[glofish]

It's a joke.

I have never had my inbox filled up at such a pace. Spam is benign in comparison. It seem's like nobody got what he wanted.

Now i wish each and everyone happy reading of why our mutual swaps of flights the one didn't bid for, but received, and the flight he wanted, but the other one got planned, is refused .......

It's sometimes hard to believe that it's not intentional. :{

[haveago]

Top bid group. Nothing that I bid for. Not even days off!

[hulabaloome2]

Same here............total waste of time..........got nothing I bid for

[ruserious]

Simple reason for roster disaster this month is not enough pilots for the required flying.
That combined with too many company rules in CRS, makes it impossible for it to build a decent roster

[FlyEmirates777]

I'm second top as well, and my entire bid was ignored. Only 1 trip awarded scored positive points, a whole 50. Can second top be the new bottom?

[RoyalEnfield]

....and with all the ridiculous and arbitrary rules you can't swap a goddamn trip either. :ugh:

[givemewings]

If you are using the same system as the CC, any month containing ground duty will be manually built. I have this direct from someone who knows.


Since pilots almost always have some sort of ground duty, it would explain why you never get what you want.


I was basically told don't bother to bid if you have LV/SEP/Sim/Office etc....

[harry the cod]

Whoever told you that is incorrect.

Whenever there are training duties such as SEP, Simulator, CRM etc, planning will work at least one month ahead of normal rosters and these are then pre assigned into the calendar for next month. Your roster bid will then have to work around what has then been already assigned. 'Phantom' credits are applied but not always adhered to if they are short and need to fly planes. That's why in some months you'll have been payed for your 90-92 hours but a few courses will take the actual duty hours well over 100. Check your rosters over the last 12-24 months and it's a coincidence that whenever we're over the monthly threshold, it's inevitably for a duty without payment thus not attracting overtime.

The current system is not fit for purpose, has too few pilots to run without manual insertions and has far too many other restrictions in place courtesy of one certain person. Micromanagement is his idea of ruining, sorry, running our rosters. There will be a new system to replace CRS within the next 12-18 months and I can guarantee one thing is for sure. It will be designed purely for Company satisfaction rather than ours.

I hope to be proved wrong but I shall not hold my breath.

Harry

[PGA]

2nd top, had my line check and SEP pre-scheduled, still got more or less exactly the flights I bid for.

[thatwasclose]

Bottom bid, reserve but got given a line. Better roster than my top bid. wTf.

[falconeasydriver]

Top bid, got all the flights I bid for, 5 days off over Christmas including the 24th etc and I even got two flights to shopping destinations. I've said it before and I'll say it again I get 70-80% of what I bid for month in month out, because quite frankly I bid conservatively for destinations that aren't as popular. The way I construct my bid is inline with the CRS guidance but only to a point. Not trying to be clever or gloat, but am just stating facts.

[GoreTex]

same here, was supposed to be on reserve but got the best roster ever

[alwayzinit]

Top bid .

Bid for 3 days off before leave as no1

plus 2 euro flights no specific dates, easy.

Well got DEL day before my leave starts, one of the flights i bid for plus more turn arounds than an Indian ballerina. :ugh:

Hmmm...............

[falconeasydriver]

Alwayz…. don't bid for days off before leave, rostering are trying to maximize our hours, why not bid for a trip that requires a few days off afterwards? Just saying as a tactic.

[ruserious]

falconeasydriver, CRS does not care how you get your days off, bidding for them or for a trip that gives you them is the a same to it.

Bidding for a trip, means that if anyone else gets assigned the specific trip, you lose. Bidding for days off means you allow CRS a way to find you a trip of the many possible ones available.

Rostering is not actually trying to maximise our hours, senior management is trying to get a pint out of a half pint pot, all other systems then try and solve that problem

[falconeasydriver]

My point entirely Ruserious, everyone seems to be getting shafted with manual insertions, which do think is easier to manipulate? A trip that ends with a required rest period? Or maybe a nice fat string of days off. Human nature is human nature, you can bet (and I do every month) that the easiest option is taken.

[jet576]

Too many restrictions+no crew+ target everyone for 91.50hours(+or-5min)= CRS disaster. :bored:

A sign of things to come for 777 rosters.

[break dancer]

I'm very happy with what I got....Even though I didn't get anything I bid for.
I did get Xmas and New Year off, 16 days off plus rest and ULR standbys with 91.5 hrs.
I just bid the opposite of what I really wanted and hey presto. Doesn't excuse the fact that the system isn't working, but you have to play the cards you're dealt.

[LW20]

Just curious: Do the 91,5 hrs count off blocks to on blocks? Is rest time on enlarged flights included?

Thank you,

LW20

[journeyman]

falconeasydriver, so to summarise - you mainly bid for destinations that by your own admission, most people would not consider to be the best, and succeed three-quarters of the time in getting them.
That sounds awfully like heading straight for the fat chick at the bar and patting yourself on the back when you get to second base.

[falconeasydriver]

falconeasydriver, so to summarise - you mainly bid for destinations that by your own admission, most people would not consider to be the best, and succeed three-quarters of the time in getting them.
That sounds awfully like heading straight for the fat chick at the bar and patting yourself on the back when you get to second base.

Pure Gold journeyman! but I'd take issue with the fat chick comment....she's just a little over weight, and I get past home plate to score...:} better IMHO than being at home dateless trolling for "specialist" websites and engaging in self-abuse :E

[ruserious]

The number of flights that need manually inserted MOST months does not have any effect on MOST peoples rosters.
Choosing the Chubby Chick (CC) has predictable results if you get her, butt is still not guaranteed due to the way CRS builds the roster, anyone senior to you who wants those days off will often be allocated the CC ahead of you.
Worse case scenario, you will be overlooked by the CC as well :\
With the 91 hour averages at the moment, if you get 3-5 days off before leave, CRS is likely to put in a ULR flight before to achieve the desired Blocking Window

LW20, yes bunk is counted, anything that gives you credit hours counts to your 92

[journeyman]

Fair enough - I'll concede to calling her slightly Gravitationally Challenged.

The point being that all of us, after diligently saving up for three or four months, should be able to go out and hire that Ferrari 458, valet park behind the velvet rope at da club, and pull Miss World (or at least 2nd runner-up, if the guy in the Aventador got there before you).

But from what I can see, there aren't too many Ferraris for hire, and the Big Night is spent drinking at the bar alone.

[Outatowner]

Anyone else sick of the whining from guys with minimal time in the position about how they never get what they want and deserve each month? Some guys have been here 20 years and get screwed in their rosters. You don't hear them, at least not on the swap groups, bitching about it.

[ruserious]

journeyman, you are totally correct about how things should be, unfortunately if you use the word Should in the context of the airline, you don't understand the depth of the problem :ugh:

[B. Bonga]

Have figured it out. They have reprogrammed the CRS bidding software with "insert unswoppable turnaround between 4 days off and leave":mad::mad::mad:

So now it's not manual insertion it's "äu natural"

[bigdaviet]

Just to add to the ground duty debate...

This month middle bid with the sim and ground school. Horrible roster.

Next month second top and a great roster with everything I asked for. One horrible turn manually inserted.

I am usually happy with my roster, and usually get exactly what I want in the top two. but whenever I have ground duties my roster is TERRIBLE.

[givemewings]

That's why I said 'if' they are using the same system...


Basically I was told that if you have leave then the system will try to assign max hours so unlikely to get blocks of days off UNLESS you also bid ULRs that require said days off.


Of course rosters are much tighter for the CC but I'd guess the principle is the same. If you have two weeks leave then of course they will try squeeze as many hours as they can out of you. That generally doesn't provide for 5 days off before/after your leave...


What they told me (make of it what you will) that is when you have months with ground duty AND get what you bid for it is probably because the person manually assigning the roster has checked in the system to see what was bid. Majority of them don't bother which is why the roster almost always nowhere resembles the bids. All CC rosters with ground duty are manually assigned.


Again this was in relation to the CC rosters however I don't see why they would divert too much from this formula if it's working for *them*

It would also explain the issue of rosters being ****e whenever there's ground duty. Again as I said only speculation based on what they are doing with the CC but it makes sense to me

[halas]

CC roster as in Chubby Chicks or CC as in Cabin Crew?

halas

[TransitCheck]

This is the second month in a row with 7 days of continuous duty with a combo of layovers and turns starting at various times of the night and day. They cant even keep the start times consistent so you can create a rest pattern that works.

SKF is heading my direction very quickly. These bobble heads in roster planning need to be fired.

[glofish]

TransitCheck

This is actually a classic SKF roster, in it's very sense. A report is welcomed by all sides, as it helps to weed out the bs factor in the roster build.
No one will ever get back to you if you call SKF and instantly submit the online report, with the remarks pointing at the inability to get a human rest/work pattern.

There is no programming to eliminate that blunder and only a lot of SKF reports will help.

There are a few other such blunders who really need our pressing 2 with the appropriate reports and comments. They are honestly appreciated, but it definitely needs to be SKF on your roster and a SKF report!!
Straight from the horses mouth.:ok:

[fatbus]

Golfish is correct , reports must be submitted or nothing will ever happen . Pprune is full of pilots complaining about rosters and afraid to take action. Simple write the report! One one likes doing it, but it takes the same amount of time as posting here.

[TransitCheck]

I have absolutely no problems writing the sleep study or fatigue report.

I am just debating if I should contact fleet regarding these idiotic rosters first, write a safety report as well in advance, or just wait til the trip and call SKF and then do the other reports.

This company is absolutely screwed up if you try to anticipate a problem and let them know in advance....you get the typical love it or leave response.