JETGO Cancel Sydney - Roma - Sydney

[Honky Tonk]

Jetgo drops Sydney-Roma flights | Australian Aviation (http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/11/jetgo-drops-sydney-roma-flights/)

[Nulli Secundus]

Notwithstanding the rationale behind the decision, how do you get to within 10 days of launching and wind up in this position!?

To my knowledge there is no head of sales and marketing, a role which does a lot to eliminate this very situation.

RPT is a marketing exercise more than anything else. With respect, these guys aren't marketers and without seriously skilled people, backed by substantial capital, Jetgo will simply mush along like a stalling Cherokee. That would be such a shame.

And I'm not in the camp that says leave them alone, they're having a go etc. etc. Not at this level. This is the big league, where staff, customers and suppliers depend on good management to make great decision every day. Whether Jetgo managers realise it or not, they are marketing their business in every action they undertake. And, most importantly, people buy why you do what you do, not what you do.

When you market well you sell well, and when you sell well you create revenue. Delayed launch dates, delayed aircraft arrivals, a cancelled route announcement - terrible public relations. It may not mean game over just yet, but certainly its not game on either.

[ANCPER]

Sorry, but I think they've missed the resources boat.

How much longer before construction is finished at Curtis I? Your lucky to need 10% of construction workforce numbers to run LNG.

[Justa Dash]

Abandon RPT altogether or they won't survive. Simply can't put small jets on turbo prop sectors and compete.
The business has no commercial management so Not sure who has done the research, due diligence etc and would suggest they replace them before it's to late

[bagthrower]

"Not sure who has done the research, due diligence etc and would suggest they replace them before it's to late"

Justa Dash, be sure to discuss this with them when you have your interview with them after your Dash 8 gig closes up the end of the year. Something about stones and glass houses come to mind. Jetgo are at least interviewing the Brisbane Skytrans guys and gals whom have applied in an attempt to keep them employed and mortgages paid... What a F***** Grub, have a heart to your fellow aviators out there before you go bagging the opposition.. as if the industry isn't unsettled enough..

[Nulli Secundus]

Mcdonal makes a good point and so does Justa Dash. Bagthrower, you lost me at 'What a F***** Grub'.

[AmazingGrace2015]

12/10 Announce Sydney Roma new route start 11/11
09/11 Postpone Sydney Aroma new route start 1/12
20/11 Announce axe of Sydney Roma new route

Axing of Roma service cannot be blamed on "a slow response of bookings" or can it be blamed on the "decline of future projects". The decision to start services to Roma would be "one that has not been made lightly". A "decline in future projects" would have been news when the new route was initially announced.

The axing of Roma route is down to a flawed business decision, which has been made lightly, with poor commercial planning, and weak sales promotion - ask a travel agent...

Hope the planning for the other routes is better thought through.

Who at Jetgo is the network planner, revenue planner, commercial planner? - the buck stops with you!

Am trying Gladstone route on the first week! Don't cancel it boys!

[VH-FTS]

Another thing to consider is passengers and their Qantas Club (and lesser extent Virgin Lounge) membership. Many Roma and Gladstone fluro-shirt travellers won't give these perks up to fly with another airline, even if there are slight cost or time advantages.


And yes, Jetgo's promotion has been very average - the only thing I've seen is the odd Faceb00k post about it.

[Justa Dash]

bag throwers Quote:
Jetgo are at least interviewing the Brisbane Skytrans guys and gals whom have applied in an attempt to keep them employed and mortgages paid... What a F***** Grub, have a heart to your fellow aviators out there before you go bagging the opposition

Thanks for your kind words Bagthrower, would seem that my constructive post is consistent with the theme of this thread, perhaps you may have misconstrued the message somewhat!

Never mind, no won't be leaving the fishing up here, 340 or 1900 will afford the lifestyle I prefer thanks

[hiwaytohell]

Simply can't put small jets on turbo prop sectors and compete.

Seemed to work in the USA and Europe!

And yes, Jetgo's promotion has been very average - the only thing I've seen is the odd Faceb00k post about it.

I was in RMA just recently and they were all over the radio, newspaper and billboards.

The brakes have come on in Roma much quicker than expected and caught a lot of people by surprise. I was talking to a rental car guy and he was saying they are hurting badly.

[BPA]

Small jets on turboprop routes only worked because they had the support of large major airlines but has fuel prices started to increase most of the CRJ's/ERJ's have been replaced with turboprops (Q400's) or larger jets to lower the seat mile cost.

[BNEA320]

perhaps security at RMA end would have cost a fortune, with minimum hours etc.

[onehitwonder]

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Talking to the Roma ground staff the other day, they said that several of the first flights had little (under 9) to no passengers booked.

[bagthrower]

perhaps security at RMA end would have cost a fortune, with minimum hours etc.

Spot on, and the fact that the greedy council refused to cut them a break on the passenger tax's of $43 per person PLUS a landing fee of $370...

[Mach E Avelli]

Is it the local shire council's obligation to subsidise start up airlines at the risk of upsetting those established operators currently paying full whack and providing reliable service?
Not with my rates, thank you. Level playing fields, user pays and all that.
Due diligence would mean they should have known the costs. What they apparently badly miscalculated was the demand. Low loads are usual when a start up airline kicks off. The public have been burned often enough in the past to want proof of reliability before they will change their travel patterns.
Very deep pockets needed here, me hearties.

[BPA]

Jetgo would have known the fees before they announced the route, so you can't blame the council.

[megle2]

This surprise downturn was forecast over a year ago
Same as for GLA

[onehitwonder]

Jetgo USA I hear? Aircraft heading off shore or expansion ?

[sleeve of wizard]

JetGo Australia's new US venture, JetGo America gets first E135 - ch-aviation.com (http://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/33093-jetgo-australias-new-us-venture-jetgo-america-gets-first-e135) :ok:

[TBM-Legend]

Nice way to find a home for the Oz leased machines that don't have a home I guess. Leasing companies can be vicious if you try and break the lease and hand back early....

[TBM-Legend]

I wonder how they'll meet these conditions:

To be a U.S. certificate holder -- Part 135 or 121 -- the operator needs to be:


a) President a U.S. citizen


b) actually under control of American citizens


c) 75% of voting stock owned by American entities at least 51% controlled by American citizens


d) foreigner can hold up to 49% of stock, if 25% is non-voting


e) regulations are silent on debt and lessor, but if commonly acknowledged that company is being manipulated by JetGo Australia, it will be found to be in violation of law, and they can ask Sir Richard Branson for advice on how to get out of that pickle, as USDOT made Virgin American remove its US citizen president because he was recruited and taking orders from Sir Richard, and not acting independently enough in their view.

[Defenestrator]

Ever owned a company of any sort TBM? Your ignoranance is astounding and you're stupid enough to put it in print. Nuf said.

[Nulli Secundus]

Why would you launch two airlines at the same time in two very distant parts of the world? How does this boost the prospects of success in Australia particularly as US operators are parking these machines?

With so many new announcements altering the plans & course of this business, it wouldn't come as a surprise if customers, suppliers and prospective staff start to question its viability and in turn whether to pay, supply or join this operation.

If it does go pear shaped they had better pay back every cent to anyone who's owed money and it will not have failed from a lack of opportunities.

[Copythisnumberdown]

JETGO USA

I have heard they are just about to get their FAA 135 certificate and in the short term are operating through FUGA, they have picked up a few contracts with the Casinos. Work in Australia is on the decline. Saw their aircraft the other day and its nicely done with GOGO wifi and 30 business class seats in it. Also heard they are cross training crew to be able to fly in both companies.. Certainly different

www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/33093-jetgo-australias-new-us-venture-jetgo-america-gets-first-e135"

[onehitwonder]

No disrespect to the guys but one has to wonder about stability and whats really going on.........................

1) First saying they'll never go RPT and stick to what they do best
2) Embraer 145 (arriving in May? Now November)
3) 3 x Embraer 140's (Any arrived yet? Due in August)
4) Announcing RPT & routes
5) Cancelling certain RPT sectors within weeks of proving flights and first flight
6) New offshore set up

Good luck to them though, a unique product! And great aircraft to fly

[BNEA320]

perhaps they should do similar to www.ultimateairshuttle.com (http://www.ultimateairshuttle.com)


They do fixed priced sectors from smaller airports using Dornier 328 jets which are 30 something seats.


No hassles.


Free car parking right at terminal. No security, so queues for anything. Very few congestion delays if anything.

[nig&nog]

I see no different from Jetgo to VA/Tiger/JQ with the amount of deferred aircraft etc(every airline is doing it), and if they can make money somewhere else while things are slow good on them, especially if it means people can keep their jobs(regardless of were that base is). And our majors are supposed to be run by professionals as well.

[ANCPER]

No, you don't owe any justification to pprune readers, so why bother with that bs response.

"whereas even our sim is in the US, our HOTAC is American, the shareholders are US citizens is a no brainer.."

Why did you start up here then?

[Nulli Secundus]

'whereas even our sim is in the US, our HOTAC is American, the shareholders are US citizens is a no brainer..'

Sounds great if they want to start a US airline. But wait a minute, aren't they starting an Australian airline? So now it appears the time, resources and energy needed to successfully launch the AUSTRALIAN RPT service has been diluted to prepare for the newly announced scheme to launch another service in the US.

What nonsense.

As for Jetgo justifying every move on this forum - DON"T! Get off this forum, get back to work and follow through on the commitments you've announced. No one here will make you any money or build you a loyal customer base. You won't either if you keep trashing your brand by failing to deliver.

People buy why you do what you do, not what you do. Why does Jetgo do what it does? Seems to be to pop up/ close down when there appears to be relatively quick easy money to be made.


No one buys that!

[Ascend Charlie]

Some unbelievably stupid comments STILL going on in this thread. The usual crop of poppy-cutters and Administrative Marvels still sniping away, as if they had some superior knowledge of another company's actions.

ANCPER want to know why Jetgo didn't buy their own simulator. DUH! Sims are seriously expensive, and how much more will it cost to run one under CASA's dopey new rules which won't even allow ANY new ATPL tests because nobody is qualified to conduct them under the new rules.

I worked for a man who had cubic dollars and could afford to buy a thousand sims for his helicopters and jet, but economically it made far more sense to send me business class around the world via Miami to do the annual sim training. That is where the sim is, that is where the qualified people are, that is where the answer is.

Why did they set up here? Ask yourself the same question - why are YOU still here?

[wheredidwhogo]

Sounds like the boys know what they're doing, we all just need to back off and give em a go

[TBM-Legend]

Jetgo eyes ASX listing to fuel expansion (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/jetgo-eyes-asx-listing-to-fuel-expansion-20141008-10rnfn.html)

Line up for these chaps...

[Dale Hardale]

(http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/jetgo-eyes-asx-listing-to-fuel-expansion-20141008-10rnfn.html)Jetgo eyes ASX listing to fuel expansion (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/jetgo-eyes-asx-listing-to-fuel-expansion-20141008-10rnfn.html) (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/jetgo-eyes-asx-listing-to-fuel-expansion-20141008-10rnfn.html)

For that, read they are cash flow critical and need a public subscription to try and stay afloat. :suspect:

Credit only lasts so long before the administrators move in.

[bagthrower]

Ultimately, Tiger will be the nail in the coffin for VB.

Apart from any cash issues, the VB model is dead and buried once Tiger gets a "paw" hold on the domestic Australian network.

It will be back to the good old days of 2 airlines - JQ (QF) and TT(SQ).


It Seems Dale that your supreme inside knowledge of other airlines and their finances stem back right to your earlier posts of 'bagging' other airlines other than than the one you fly at, like this one above.

Hows EK's finances going? or aren't you allowed into the finance department at Dubai ?:D Leave JG alone they just hired a few people from Sktrans... Even if they dont make it in this F*** industry they are at least keeping people in jobs homes / families intact in the meantime... FFS what is wrong with people here

[Des Dimona]

DH's comment re VB and TT was probably reasonable at the time it was made. The goal posts have changed since then.


Anyone who goes to the market for so called "expansion", is I would have thought, looking for cash. Desperation ?


Let's wait and see what happens.

[Rudder]

DH was fundamentally correct in that there are essentially two camps. Just got the combinations wrong.

QF/JQ and VA/TT

The reality is that JetGo doesn't make any sense and never has just like SkyAirWorld didn't in the not too distant past and we know the history of that little cherry.

Hopefully I will be proved wrong on this one.

[ANCPER]

Ascend Charlie,

You should rename yourself "Right Charlie". If you had any comprehension you wouldn't be drawing the wrong conclusions. I wasn't asking why they didn't have a sim here, it was in response to Jetgo Management's post which has since been removed.

Quote 'whereas even our sim is in the US, our HOTAC is American, the shareholders are US citizens is a no brainer..'

If alarm bells aren't ringing over Roma get a new clock. A number of posters pointed out that it would be a difficult road and that looks likely, unfortunate as that is for the employees and investors. If you have a stick your head in the sand attitude that's your choice and if you don't like it that ppruners comment on a start-up like JG, bad luck as this is what the site is for, rumours and comment.

Again, I hope Roma is a non-event and that JG continue etc, but unfortunately it looks a little dark.

[Ascend Charlie]

If you have a stick your head in the sand attitude that's your choice

Better than having your head up your @rse, which is where most posters on this thread have theirs.

All these self-proclaimed experts who can forecast what JetGo can or cannot achieve, have NFI what is really going on, with this particular company or business in general.

Leave your d1cks alone, sit back, and enjoy the show.

[onehitwonder]

wheredidwhogo-I think you've met your opposition

Spot on Ascend Charlie

[ANCPER]

Ascend Charlie,

I'm sure you have a far better idea than me what an arse will hold. I think you should take your own advice. :)

Rightly or wrongly history is on the side of the knockers, very few make it out of the gate.

[BNEA320]

how are Jetgo loads on SYD/GLT ?

[onehitwonder]

I heard 10 on the morning run and 11 in the afternoon SYD-GLT.

Good on the boys for having a crack!

[TBM-Legend]

How are they going on GLT??



http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/news/jetgo-cancels-flight-passenger-happy/2471401/

[BPA]

Jetgo posted a photo from one of their flights and you can only see 11 passengers in the cabin.

[Nulli Secundus]

Well, what can anyone say. Disappointing doesn't quite do it. When the head of airlines tells 4CC he's nervous about the upcoming launch, its not a winner.

Now the AFR reports an ASX listing is shelved and further private investment being sought. Why you would announce that at the same time you're asking people to buy tickets on your fledgling airline is perplexing.

Even the footage of the first passengers alighting in Gladstone shows staff chatting to themselves and virtually ignoring the very first pax to give them a go!

Unlikely Brisbane - Tamworth will launch on 19 January with any great success.

What a missed opportunity!

[TBM-Legend]

Bad time of year if they want biz travel....

[hiwaytohell]

Bad time of year if they want biz travel...

Wouldn't make any difference on a route with high levels of FIFO.

[TBM-Legend]

Wouldn't make any difference on a route with high levels of FIFO.


So TW-BNE is a FIFO route? Since when...?

The B1900's and Metros that flew that route hardly carried a load. Why would a jet carry more. TW is not a natural link to BNE. The few biz travellers go via SYD on QF..painful but a bit quicker than driving which many people do.

SYD-GLT is a FIFO route - for whom? It has been coming for some time but the 'punters' aren't buying it seems...again QF FF points win..

[Mach E Avelli]

If their war chest can sustain six months of losses AND they fly every day as scheduled, eventually they will win some hearts and minds. Whether enough can be seduced away from their frequent flyer points will depend very much on time saved, convenience and consistency.
But if they cancel flights when the loads are below whatever they want, they will lose any goodwill built up meantime. If they have the occasional breakdown, with good PR, passengers may understand. But they'd better be prepared to throw a substitute airframe at the route or otherwise get people to their destination by the quickest means. Refunding tickets doesn't cut it when people have commitments.

At the first sign of cold feet they are gone gone gone.

[Horatio Leafblower]

The people of Tamworth are screaming for a direct flight to Brisbane. Direct BNE in a EMB has to be better than TMW-SYD in a Trash, change aircraft (and wait), then go SYD-BNE (and wave at TMW on the way past).

...especially when you then have to turn around and do the reverse at the end of the day.

[megle2]

Screaming for a direct Tamworth Brisbane, not that I've ever heard

[onehitwonder]

Nor did brindy with I think max 12 pax at best

[Justa Dash]

Stick to contract charter, the equipment is not suitable for RPT.

[Fieldmouse]

To see if they can get the security rules relaxed to accommodate Jetgo operations into YSSY. Wish I was a fly on the wall for that conversation.

[BNEA320]

if Jetgo can avoid security with their 20,000kg MTOW aircraft then surely F50's could also (think they come in at around 20,800kg MTOW)


Would have thought it would be much cheaper to operate an F50 SYD/NAA than Jetgo's jets(not per seat per aircraft) + an extra 14 seats "FREE".


Sector times on such a short route would be only 2 or 3 mins difference.

[wateroff]

When Brindy started the TW run, it was reasonably full, most days, most services. Then the plan was changed to accommodate other interests, then the loads fell off, 12 was a bad day early on.

[Nulli Secundus]

Narrabri council are going to the Feds...........

That's nice. For an airline struggling to launch its maiden route, reportedly commencing BN-TW on 19 Jan and operating just 3 airframes. Meanwhile, with the 19 Jan fast approaching, not a word of marketing for this next route and not available in the booking system.

Where are they going wrong? What would you do if you had the CEO reigns for a day?

[Honky Tonk]

Looks like another CX or they're running a bit late.
JETGO Australia #78 ? 04-Dec-2014 ? YSSY / SYD - YGLA / GLT ? FlightAware (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JGO78/history/20141204/0520Z/YSSY/YGLA)

[onehitwonder]

maybe it broke down..Give the guys a break...there is many that said they wouldnt make it to RPT...there is many that said they wouldnt start the route....

[Copythisnumberdown]

What would you do if you had the CEO reigns for a day?

Well Nulli Secundus, Considering your handle means 'second to none' in Latin, you seem to know it all why don't you enlighten us

[TBM-Legend]

What does the GLT refueller say about how things are going??

[onehitwonder]

What happened to the TL refueller

[ihavelotsofquestions]

Anyone know how the loads are going?

Be nice for it to work out.

[onehitwonder]

fluctuating im hearing

[bagthrower]

They start a new contract with a contracting firm in the new year between GLT and SYD.. good on em ! Hiring more crew from Skytrans, flight attendants and MX crew so far. Tamworth start in Jan then Narabri in March all aligned with contracts.. I heard they lost their major underwriter contract on Roma due to a project cancellation out there, thats why they didn't start, not enough local trafffic to support it. ... RPT FIFO, thats how its going, less money for the mining firm and less risk for the operator...

[Fieldmouse]

So no requirement now to screen 20 tonne RPT? Awesome. I can see quite a few ports lining up for that exemption. Lol

[Justa Dash]

BNE-CNJ or WEI is a decent sector length. Tooling around with Tamworth and Narrabri doesnt make sense.
Even if they were bona fide markets they are not jet sectors, DOCs wont even be met with what the market are prepared to pay.

[bagthrower]

Tamworth start in Jan then Narabri in March all aligned with contracts

and yes your right, the 8000 odd people of the district certainly wouldn't support it stand alone... Jet VS turbo prop is no debate here when the client pays for the whole / majority of the aircraft

[TTY]

Where are they going wrong
Trying to deal with Tamworth Council for a start.Return flight to Bris-Vagas due to depart around 1845hrs, but wait secuirity knock off at 1700hrs so " you and your passengers will have to pay for the overtime"

[Fieldmouse]

Qantaslink pay all the security at Tamworth.Security is under a Contract and staff and rosters are arranged 12 months ahead to cover Qantaslinks hours operation. If another operator operates inside those hours the charge is spread between them and the price comes down. If you operate outside those hours,you pay,otherwise QLink is subsidising Jetgo's security fees. How hard is it to grasp something so basic? Security fees cover actual costs,they arent there for the airports benefit.

[BNEA320]

Jetgo aircraft is 1kg too heavy. If under 20,000kgs MTOW rather than 20,000 kgs, it would not require security.


Can they get an exemption ?


NAA council is apparently trying to get them one.


Where did this magic figure come from ?


A 50 seater Dash 8 is under 20,000kgs. A 50 seater F50 is over 20,000kgs.

[BNEA320]

is exemption for NAA confirmed ?


If so F50's should get the exemption as well. Think most F50's are aeround 20,800 kgs MTOW.


Surely the public servants can't have made that quick a decision. Normally a minor decision like that would take 1 or 2 years !!!


Seriously, their has to be a line in the sand if we must have this so called security, but surely it should be based on number of seats in the aircraft & not MTOW.


& then you have the crazy situation at DBO where QF has to pay cos 74 seaters, but why does Rex pay with Saab's ?


Surely they could say to DBO get stuffed, we're not paying & that would be the end of it.


Why do Rex pay ? Seems like they've been conned at Rex.




At ZQN last year & think I saw pax getting on an ATR without any security, while all jet pax had to go thru security.




Why are Kiwis seemingly smarter, when we all know they are not.

[Fieldmouse]

For the same reason Brindy paid at Tamworth during the operational hours for security.Because an airport can't be forced to have 2 operating areas if they don't already exist, or if there is no business case to do so. Rex lost that one in court recently but kept it Very quiet.

[BNEA320]

all it takes to have 2 operating areas is a very simple partition, which could be very inexpensive. DBO has given in to the big red rat.

[Fieldmouse]

What happens to the baggage? Unscreened bags and screened bags cannot co-exist out the back- not allowed. Second baggage line require.
What happens at the foot of the exit ramp if it all leads onto a secure apron? Who pays to have a security guard guarantee that the 2 groups never come into contact on the apron?
What happens if you haven't got another apron anywhere near the terminal that can accommodate a SAAB, or if you have, it hasn't got the required Code 3 apron lighting?, or a decent Code 3 taxiway for access.
How much money does an airport have to spend to allow a second tier airline to go in competition with the incumbents.
At what point does that sort of investment become a virtual subsidy for the newstart?
How much should a regional airport invest in infrastructure for an airline that may go bust in month?
This bloke already did 700k damage to one of the ports in question.
All it takes my arse...............

[hiwaytohell]

How much money does an airport have to spend to allow a second tier airline to go in competition with the incumbents.
At what point does that sort of investment become a virtual subsidy for the newstart?
How much should a regional airport invest in infrastructure for an airline that may go bust in month?

Not a cent at anywhere Jetgo has actually said they are going.

[Fieldmouse]

Apart from some linemarking and a check in desk. But Narrabri will be a little different. I wish them luck with getting the rules relaxed as they should be, but can't see it happening. And Armidale wants a Brisbane service but has no security capability.
And my previous post was in relation to operating unscreened aircraft alongside screened flights.
Security Regs. S$#t them. They are an unnecessary cost for regional routes, especially now cockpit doors are hardened.
I wish Jetgo all the best because I know the northern NSW region wants direct access to Brisbane and they are the only airline talking now Skytrans has apparently put up the shutters.
Another airport in the region I talk to frequently wants a YSSY service back but there are simply no carriers left in that level of the market. They have a nice runway and a nice terminal and a nice town and they are absolutely screwed by the state of the airline industry. Very Sad.

[Cargo744]

Unfortunately another "airline" that is destined to fail. Carrying less that 10 PAX per sector is just not economical. I applaud them for trying but as many before have experienced they just can't make it work.

[BNEA320]

Fieldmouse , the Kiwis manage to do it. It's not difficult !!!!

[Fieldmouse]

Absolutely they do. And from my understanding that is because the NZ Federal Government undertakes all screening and security operations and shares costs around the network.
They do not expect individual airports to individually find solutions and be responsible for all infrastructure, equipment and staffing costs.
All the Government did here was make a lot of regionals spend a lot of money on terminal modifications and equipment purchases and then have to enter staffing and maintenance contracts with the providers.


This money has to come from somewhere, and it's the passenger who pays.


Meanwhile pax want to pay the same amount for a ticket they were paying in 1980.

I don't know how any regional makes money these days. But 'link seem to.

[BNEA320]

how many regional airports in NZL have any security ?


(regional as in no international flights & no jets of B737/A320 size or bigger)


What is the cut off point in NZL ? (cf. 20,000kg MTOW here ?)

[Fieldmouse]

and decided on 90 seats and over. Australia did the same and decided on 20 tonnes. I think the Kiwis got it right with regard to not screwing their entire industry over. :mad:

[Tidbinbilla]

Let's get back on topic-Jetgo.

[TWOTBAGS]

Ohhh come on Tiddy, thats not really in the festive spirit now is it, who would want to actually know what they are talking about when it comes to Jetgo.
Given all the other BS in this tread by the armchair experts I reckon Jetgo should start Taupo to Queenstown backpacker express 6 times a day given that the NZ govt apparently share the costs of screening.
That Taupo arrival is pretty tricky you know bro, like watch out for the big friggin hill to the north of the field hey, and then there are those meat bombs all bloody day, jeeezzz gonna have to be careful.
Maybe that explains why they cancelled Roma, yeah that must be it. I know its true, Santa told me today when I was sitting next to him with my Christmas list, I asked for a 5% annual pay rise with my Jetstar EBA, and he told me Lyle Strambi was leaving to become the new leader of Jetgo and OJA was not going to HARS but it was being donated to Jetgo to start Tamworth. But not to worry, Truss and the rest of the pollies will have it all fixed by the time AJ announces the gazillion dollar profit and more redundancies next year. Its true and remember its all Jetgo's fault for starting a whole 2 return services a day!

[Tidbinbilla]

Well, what can I say?

You da man, TWOTBAGS 😝😝😝😝

[V1 rotated]

Best of luck to Jetgo, it's tough out there, the more people that can provide employment for us all the better!

[Justa Dash]

You don't succeed in business through good luck! One would hope that JG management have a good business plan and they're resourced to achieve it.

[V1 rotated]

Thanks for the insight justa dash

[onehitwonder]

Come on guys, some said:

- They'd never kick of (Achieved)
- Survive 12 months (Achieved)
- Make it to RPT (Achieved)

Good on the boys for having a crack and making it work!

[nig&nog]

justa dash, luck is what got VA in the early days to where it is today definitely not good management. So same can work for Jetgo

[Nulli Secundus]

Just look at the fundamentals here:



2 years of mining/ general charter work with a quite a sound choice of airframe.



Decision to launch into RPT



Roma - abolished because mining stopped/ slowdown



Launch of a new service in the USA


An aircraft designed for 600nm sectors now to operate 250 nm RPT sectors with a base of support linked to mining in NSW. It doesn't pass a basic common sense test.

You have to accept, if BN-NAA and BN-TW made sense right now, REX, QF or VA would more than likely be doing it. They're not, and especially not with JET aircraft.

I don't think these guys really have a plan for serious RPT. I don't think they themselves could articulate what is their core strategy for an expanding network.

It is hard to work out why they're stumbling. The aircraft runs rings around the turbo-prop competition but they're not making that point of difference work for them.

Why?

No head of sales and marketing! No single-minded, immovable determination to be the number one RPT operator in Australia? Under capitaised? Simply not business minded people?

Maybe a mix of all these things but the opportunity is slipping away. I would bet beyond a doubt there is no significant budget for sales and marketing!

Get a driven sales and marketing team with an adequate budget and you'd watch this business boom for sure.

[Hugh Jarse]

justa dash, luck is what got VA in the early days to where it is today definitely not good management. So same can work for Jetgo

What? Contingent on one of Australia's largest domestic airlines going tits-up?

Please :ugh:

On second thought - Nulli Secundus has hit the nail on the head :)

[Ascend Charlie]

Looks like Nulli is looking for a slot in the marketing department, but will not get it because he just doesn't get it. There is WAY more going on behind the scenes that will make all these Great Commentators feel rather sheepish in the new year.

Nulli Secundus - doesn't that mean that Nobody came First, and he ran second?

Baaaa.

[Nulli Secundus]

Baaaa.

Isn't that the sound a sheep makes? You know, that funny little animal often seen with the wool over its eyes as it blindly follows the others around the paddock.

And did you know the rarest breed is the Ascend Charlie Merino. That's right, a breed which the vet science world is struggling to understand as to why, whenever a Kiwi farmer enters the paddocks, turns a full 180 degrees, presents its arse to the farmer, and, here's the real mystery, appears to smile passing through about the 90 degree mark.

[Fieldmouse]

If the rumoured expansion into Brisbane by Rex goes ahead. Armidale to Brisbane will bleed pax from Tamworth if they are cheaper and more frequent. Word is JG now playing the man in Tamworth to get fees reduced below cost.

[Cargo744]

I appreciate and admire your loyalty mouse but unfortunately with loads of less than 10 constantly it isn't sustainable.

[TBM-Legend]

So how are the SYD-GLT loads??

[Horatio Leafblower]

Mightymouse,

The experience of NBR is that people will drive to TMW to catch the Dash rather than catch a "small plane".

I suspect people would drive to TMW from ARM to catch a jet, rather than the other way around.

Amazing that nobody was really interested for years, but now that we are heading into an El Nino and the end of the mining boom we have Pelican, JetGo, Free spirit and others launching into the fray.

Interesting times :eek:

[red_dirt]

Yeah but some of those "start ups" will never actual start up

[Nulli Secundus]

I'm not sure there would be a reliable catchment of 'Armidalians' driving to TW. Anyone needing a connecting flight ex BN, more than likely, but if BN is the end of journey - very less likely.

Would you drive 1.5 hrs south to fly north when you could simply drive 5 hrs north and have wheels in BN. If you have business in BN, ARM via TW time savings equal just two hours.

But worst of all and most odd, Jetgo are only offering 3 returns a week for the first two months? Just enough time for QF, Rex et al to get their systems and hardware in place. These guys will be vacating this route almost as quickly as they started.

Bear in mind the TW Music Festival is a huge lost opportunity. A planned start date gets put back to 2 Feb. 50,000 visitors over 10 days. Say just 10% are ex BN. Say just 10% of them would consider flying. Thre's 500 pax or roughly 3% of the annual pax needed to make a dollar on this sector. After two years of planning RPT and you get that wrong, anywhere else you will have lost your job!

Meanwhile, logical opportunities are taking lower priority or getting none at all. The cost to set up a route must be substantial and if not likely to make money virtually from day one, why do it? Once capital is gone, its game over. Once a day of work is gone, you can never get it back.

At $189 one way as an introductory fare, it will not be difficult for the other operators to price these guys out of the market! Even Christmas eve TW-SY can be booked for $138 on QF. Non peak times and QF offers $85 one way in early Feb. $189 is not a special fare.

Wouldn't you offer $99 specials, fill the plane get the word out there and maybe make a go of it. For mine, I think the emotion of possibly returning to old territory to revitalise a former life may be clouding good business judgement.

I think these guys are holding out in the hope mining will fill their RPT routes (somewhere) and simply need a fill in to keep the show looking operational.

For everyone's sake, launch stand alone RPT, on routes the aircraft was designed for,on sector's where you'll have no/ little immediate competition (ala GLA) and treat FIFO as a bonus not a focus.

[continueapproach737]

Hows about getting back on topic?

Roma, better yet why are we sitting here wining about this operator when 9/10 of you will be applying for a job in years to come with them (for those who who have made it).

They have a great product clearly in the charter market, and are establishing themselves in the RPT world! Good luck to them, more flying for us

[TWOTBAGS]

Seriously second to a nobody????

Whats is it to you any way? you really are just throwing it out there again aren't you now.....
I'm not sure Indecision???
Bear in mind Opinion
The cost to set up a route must be substantial Opinion
it will not be difficult for the other operators Opinion
I think the emotion Opinion
I think these guys are holding out Opinion

I hope that comfy chair of yours is good because all you do is sit in it and throw out unqualified statements of yore.

You seem to be so opinionated about one organisation yet you dont have any skin in the game what-so-ever.

The company is giving it a go, employing more people, picking up others that had been made redundant, they have out lasted everything thing that has been said about them..... yet you seem to have a strangely intense focus on this mob...... why? what is it to you? envy? jealousy? or are you just they typical grass cutter that cant stand to see anyone do better than yourself as you cant seem to move along in life.

If you are so concerned I know u obviously have a working knowlege of their website, give them a call, I am sure they will take all your opinions on board....... for a price.

Better still why dont you call qantas and let them know how well Whyalla-Adelaide is going to do, especially give that they are up against a 5 per day competitor with a lower cost base..... I am sure they are waiting for your opinion as well.

Keep throwing those opinions out there, I sure that you will answer yourself soon enough. Meanwhile let the company get on with actually being an operating aviation company, employing people, paying bills & taxes and moving joe public form A to B with out going somewhere they dont really want to along the way.

[hiwaytohell]

Word is JG now playing the man in Tamworth to get fees reduced below cost.

I don't know where you are getting the "word" Mouse, but it appears the contrary. Half the reason Rex don't go to Tamworth is that the Tamworth Council is very protective of Qantaslink.

From what has been reported the city has not offered Jetgo anything it has not already offered to Rex, Qantaslink and Virgin. It appears they are actually proposing huge extra security charges that will apply to Jetgo but not Qantas.

I doubt they would be giving Jetgo a break.

https://au.prime7.yahoo.com/a1/news/a/-/local/23923617/no-rex-for-tamworth-video/

[bagthrower]

Would you drive 1.5 hrs south to fly north when you could simply drive 5 hrs north and have wheels in BNIt appears that this Jetgo armchair expert isn't even aware of the time it takes to drive from TW to BNE.... And the fact it was one of Brind'y most patronised routes

According to Google maps the driving time is 6 hrs and 55 mins..


TID EDIT

[Nulli Secundus]

Thx rmcdonal

[Soteria]

Nulli-secundus; British Army Dirigible No 1, christened Nulli Secundus (Latin: "Second to none") was a Semi-rigid airship. First flown on 10 September 1907, it was Britain's first powered military aircraft.
I believe semi-rigid well describes Nulli and his anti-JetGo posts.
It's easy for him to sit back and shart all over every JetGo move. My guess would be that Nulli has been denied a JetGo interview or something of that nature. Maybe he has worked for the owners in a previous life or one of them boofed his missus, who knows and who really cares about his endless sniper attacks upon JetGo.
At the end of the day JetGo are giving things a shot. Time will tell if they are successful. If they aren't then Nulli can play with himself silly and prance around the pages of Pprune, penis in hand saying 'I told you so I told you so'. In the meantime lets hope JetGo succeeds as our industry is in bad enough shape as it is and even an expansion in the hot air balloon sector would be welcomed at this point in time.

"Safe Xmas flying, whatever you are flying"

[Jetgo Management]

Well Said Soteria. We are doing exactly that, trying to take on the majors is no easy task... we appreciate the awesome effort that all our staff and suppliers are putting in, we also welcome the great new employees we were able to pick up from recent industry lay-offs, you know who you are.. Forward and onwards!..

[Justa Dash]

Looking at the routes chosen to date taking on the majors is a bit of fanciful comment. Taking jets on sub 600nm sectors against modern efficient turbo props is no easy task.

[Jetgo Management]

modern efficient turbo props is no easy task.

Justa, props are for boats, Merry Christmas

[BNEA320]

actually thought the real opposition would be old cheap turbo props like Saab 340's & Dash 8's 100/200/300's (with no security requirements & costs, except at "major ports".


Yes slower, but over a short sector, does it matter ?


Everyone seems so damn price orientated.

[HappyBandit]

Jetgo Management

"Props are for boats"....Really!!!??? Having flown both jets and props, I can tell you some of the turboprops give jets a run for their money both in terms of efficiency and 'nicety' to fly!

[tail wheel]

Spot on, and the fact that the greedy council refused to cut them a break on the passenger tax's of $43 per person PLUS a landing fee of $370...

Whilst I am not an advocate of excessive fees at essential infrastructure, do you not feel the Maranoa Regional Council and 15,000 residents of the Maranoa are entitled to some return on the $12 million plus invested in the airport upgrade, principally to meet the demands of the gas industry? :{

Or should everyone have a free ride?

Lowest Roma - Brisbane fares are now $99 one way. I guess QantasLink are feeling the pinch of the gas industry cut backs?

[Jetgo Management]

Lowest Roma - Brisbane fares are now $99 one way. I guess QantasLink are feeling the pinch of the gas industry cut backs?

Exactly why we pulled out after hearing about the many projects not going ahead... Hope for the industry's sake that things improve. Merry Christmas all

[Marauder]

JETGO MANAGEMENT

Merry Xmas and sincerely all the best in the New Year,

But why waste your energy replying to most of the BS here, when you have more important things to do, in the end, you will be judged on your performance.



Good Luck

Always good to see someone have a go

[Nulli Secundus]

Flights BN-TW now not available until March 2nd.

Another postponement to be announced?

[bagthrower]

BNE airport haven't finished the reno's for the check in desks. Still no counter slots for them until March. From April they then are doing double daily flights...

[ANCPER]

SERIOUSLY, a new service delayed because.....of......check-in desks.

Either just bs or a serious head banging moment. I'd go for bs, but you never know.

[Fujiroll76]

Thats the same reason/excuse Skytrans told their staff....take from that as you will.

[hiwaytohell]

Thats the same reason/excuse Skytrans told their staff....take from that as you will.Rubbish! It's not what Skytrans told their staff. They told them they lost the government contracts and falling exchange rate http://www.skytrans.com.au/infofiles/Skytrans_Public_Announcement_020115_v2.pdf

Below is the message sent out by BAC to all operators at BNE on the 7th of January. Previously BAC had advised they were only closing one counter while the renovations were being carried out. I think REX had a serious spit about it as well:

Please be advised that from 1500 this afternoon, hoarding will be erected around check in counters 13 & 14 making them inaccessible for operations. This is to complete tiling works as scheduled.
It must also be noted that at least two conventional counters will be unavailable for use for a period of approximately six weeks for all works to be completed, including the fitment of the FIDS façade over the check in area.

To cope with demand for conventional check in counters, we have installed a SITA workstation on Counter 10 and this can be used as either an ABD or a conventional desk as required. I have contacted those operators who will be impacted, and for all others this is for information only.

Kind regards,

XXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
BRISBANE AIRPORT CORPORATION PTY LIMITED
Jetgo would be last in the queue for available counters if two were closed.

[Justa Dash]

Give me strength! The only reason a "viable" commercial operation is being delayed is check in counter access! If you're fair dinkum bus them to/fro GA as an interim measure.market will accept this as a stop gap. Reality is probably catching up with the rock steady jetgo crew, Jets don't work on short sectors!

[BPA]

One of the spotting sites is saying they only operated the SYD-GLD-SYD route once this week.

The QLD election appears to be giving them some work.

[hiwaytohell]

bus them to/fro GA as an interim measureGreat idea but security screening requirements would prevent that for RPT departures.

The QLD election appears to be giving them some work.The photos in the media have been interesting:

I noticed that Palaszczuk ditched the Rex Saab for the ERJ after her first trip up north, whilst Newman is still getting about the state in his Rex Saab. Elsewhere on social media I see some journos "commenting" on the comfort of the Saab after it had been sitting in 36 degree heat at Emerald for a few hours.

[tourismman]

Yes lack of check in counters is the reason.Can confirm this.

[aviation_enthus]

The lack of check in counters and dep/arr slots at BNE has been an issue for over a year now. The question of BN-TMW was raised many times in Skytrans staff meetings and the answer was consistently that there wasn't enough room for extra services from smaller carriers.

There was even talk that BN airport wanted to move the Skytrans Western runs to depart from the GA to allow them to give the terminal space to some one with a bigger aircraft!

So I'm not surprised Jetgo are having the same problems. I have also heard that Rex encounter the same difficulty with planning operations from BNE.

Highwaytohell: don't confuse the company closing with issues that have been around long before Skytrans shutdown. Also Rex and Skytrans aircraft didn't need security screening as they fall under the 20T 'magic line'.

[HeSaidWhat]

The lack of knowledge and associated hubris from a number of posters on this thread is a classic example of the primary reason that the bulk of airline managers hold their pilot group in contempt.

Not all pilots of course, but at least those in their ranks that believe they know it all, because "I'm a captain" and they then vocalise their lack of understanding. As a former commander (both domestic and international) if personally find it embarrassing.

There are a great number of 'barriers to entry' in the aviation industry and access to terminals and their facilities is one of the more prominent. Talk to any of those that have tried and failed to enter the industry and they will not be at all surprised that access to check-in resources is delaying the start of a route. This is not uncommon and a perfectly valid reason for a delay.

The idea that a GA asset can be utilised and passengers bussed to that resource may sound simple and an obvious fix, however the successful entry into a market requires a point of difference that makes the experience less complex and more pleasurable. I would humbly suggest that the use of GA assets would provide the opposite experience, which means the inconvenience of a stop-over, yet with the gathering of frequent flyer points with one of the majors, suddenly looks just fine.

[Going Nowhere]

Looks like their USA venture is starting up.

https://www.facebook.com/JetgoAustralia/photos/a.127332784105303.22872.124228361082412/382771675228078/?type=1&theater

[neville_nobody]

There are a great number of 'barriers to entry' in the aviation industry and access to terminals and their facilities is one of the more prominent. Talk to any of those that have tried and failed to enter the industry and they will not be at all surprised that access to check-in resources is delaying the start of a route. This is not uncommon and a perfectly valid reason for a delay.

Access to airports is one of the major reasons there has only ever been two airlines in this country, which is probably the way that the incumbents like it.

The fact is that despite the whingeing from SYD airport's chairman that the airport is nowhere near capacity, there is zero capacity for anyone to start a new domestic airline in terms of gates or landing slots.

I think you would find Australia would be a very different aviation landscape if Sydney and Melbourne had three airports and everywhere else had two, you would have 'real' LCC's like Easyjet or Southwest and there would be real competition between airports and airlines. The current arrangement is all very cosy for those involved but doesn't really provide the traveling public with any options or real competition.

Given that most western countries have at least 2 airports in their major cities we are getting screwed so hard here it's not really funny anymore.

[BNEA320]

Ah but you forget about essendon, bankstown & archerfield

[Nulli Secundus]

This is not making sense. Aviation is all about 'back up plans', 'plan B's', extra provision for unwanted events. We've trained for it, its part of the culture and its what A-grade management teams are known for.

Does anyone really think they are the first new start air service to have to solve the challenge of gate/ counter availability, irrespective of whether under construction or not?

Customers won't wear it. They pay to have their own problems solved, not hear yours. Compare with BA's response to today's social media video condemning the state of one of its first class seats. No mention of the cause & immediate public announcement.

From experience, in the really early days you have to work ultra hard to make sure every post is a winner. You have to show you can deliver when things get a little shakey & you have to make good your announcements. Most of all, you have to do this to build up 'PR Capital' or put another way, secure your customer loyalty. This means when you really are up against it, and you need to call on that loyalty for a little patience/ cooperation etc. customers mostly won't abandon you.

Still no announcement of the new launch date for BN-TW.

[Fujiroll76]

hiwaytohell - thank you for pointing out the reason for Skytrans closure which i am well aware of! Was referring to the reason why Skytrans didn't start up the BN-TW route due to lack of counter space.

[HeSaidWhat]

Nulli makes a very good point here......

Plan 'Bs' in the business world are referred to as risk mitigators, or controls. A robust and formalised Risk Management (RM) system (as opposed to relying on intuition - albeit the intuition of often very experienced players) uses wide and intensive consultation (the first step in the ISO31000 process model) to help identify risks so that they can be assessed and ultimately controlled through the mitigation of the risk and the subsequent achievement of the reduction in risk level. Before you yawn and I lose you, consultation is the key......

The consultation step MUST include both internal and external stakeholders. If the closed counters are indeed the root cause of the delay, then I respectfully suggest that the failing at the management level may well be a lack of external consultation, otherwise the "scheduled" closure of counters 13 and 14 would have be known and controls developed to deal with the consequence should they impact proposed operations.

Having said that, however, the level of activity required to affect a start-up operation is intense and it is under this stress that things can be missed. This happens at the pointy end too - where overload affects pilot performance and leads to error, but hey, we're all human.

[BPA]

This article blames the on-goin issue regarding security services at Tamworth airport.

Jetgo forced to delay new airline service | The Northern Daily Leader (http://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/2830058/jetgo-forced-to-delay-new-airline-service/)

Fujiroll76,

Skytrans already had counters at Brisbane for the western routes they operated. Why would they need more to operate to Tamworth?

[Copythisnumberdown]

Still no announcement of the new launch date for BN-TW.

A person whom proclaims to know it all when running an airline would simply check their website and see that flights are available from March 2nd just like it says in the paper... :ugh:

[Horatio Leafblower]

Jetgo Australia Holding Pty Ltd
5 hrs · Edited ·

From 9th February JETGO will suspend services on the Gladstone – Sydney route.

Despite strong support from the Gladstone community and 5 star reviews of the service posted on social media, travel patterns have been quite variable and quite directional. Whilst certain flights had solid patronage, others were operating near empty.

JETGO has found it difficult to obtain any significant corporate support for the services which was vital to the viability of the service.

Despite patronage slowly building the future modelling predicts it would take at least six months before the flights would get to break even. So we have made the decision to redeploy the aircraft to more profitable parts of the business.

The flights up until the 8th February will operate as scheduled. Passengers booked from the 9th February will be given a full refund.

JETGO wishes to thank those passengers that have supported the service and the Gladstone community. We apologise for the inconvenience this will cause some customers.

We also wish to particularly thank all our staff and crews establishing what has been an outstanding product that has received many accolades from the people who have flown with us.

Very sad. I hope the BNE-TMW route works out for them. :(

[Copythisnumberdown]

Wait for it....Any minute now they will come... All the Nay Sayers and Anti Jetgo arm chair experts will spring out of the wood work and scream i told you so, and probably something about 25 year old turbo props are better than Jets

[VH-FTS]

^^ And someone who works for the company will post first in an attempt to undermine the credibility of such 'nay sayers' and 'arm chair experts', trying to protect the organisation's image.

Copythisnumberdown instead..."economics 101".

[Nulli Secundus]

JETGO has found it difficult to obtain any significant corporate support for the services which was vital to the viability of the service.

Any wonder: reducing schedules, announcing a USA charter service, election campaign photoshoots for charter ops, no sales & marketing director/ team, no pressers with corporate testimonials, no corporate rewards programme, a home page with very mixed messages, a booking page/ process lacking functionality and appeal........

Fantastic opportunity, brilliant airframe by all accounts, nil competition on the route, YGLA circa 460 000 pax/ yr and its all over in just 8 weeks.

For goodness sake, if serious, you'd appoint a gun sales and marketing team and sell the RPT story. Tamworth is just 3 weeks away.

[Dash8capt]

I've been a supporter of Jetgo since they started the process towards charter ops but the second time pulling out of an RPT route in just a few months is unnaceptable and shows a lack of experience in THIS type of operation. Before someone jumps and and says blah blah operated this and that, I am aware of who the management team are and their experience.

"Difficult to obtain corporate support" - rewards/frequent flyer program and reliable service. I understand this one is difficult and in the past has been a sore point for smaller airlines.

"6 months before flights would break even" - it's RPT, wear it. If you'd like to compete against the big boys be prepared to hold out. 6 months at your current growth rates and with the current marketing, Id say you'd be blessed if you achieved it. Imagine what you could do with Nulli's gun marketing team :}

These items and the numerous other ones which go with jetgos rpt dreams have been evident since day one, these aren't exactly issues which just pop up out of the blue. If you didn't know this would be the case :=

I hope the other routes provide what the company needs but if the lessons aren't learnt...

[Bootstrap1]

It didn't help that QF dumped extra capacity into Gladstone. Now that Jetgo have gone I would bet that the extra capacity goes as well.

[Justa Dash]

To break even after 6 months on the SYD-GLT route is better than expected. If this was not sustainable then the company does not have the reserves to participate in RPT operations. Abandon TW to avoid loss of further cash and ultimately the airline. Scale right back and stick to charter until the market conditions track north in about 18-24 months

[TBM-Legend]

It didn't help that QF dumped extra capacity into Gladstone. Now that Jetgo have gone I would bet that the extra capacity goes as well.


It's called business. The airline industry is not a free pass to new entrants...

When you play in the big kids playground things can get rough...interesting to see how TW goes as it could not support B1900/Metro numbers. People will not just start flying because it's a jet! It has to do with needs and $$$ these days..

[Going Nowhere]

QF Never 'dumped' any capacity into GLT when Jetgo started. They canned the 8 SYD-GLT flights a week and added a few BNE-GLT flights (most were previous flights reinstated.)

The overall market in/out of GLT has been slowly weakening for some time (As has just about every other FIFO port in QLD)

Most FIFO types are very attached to their Status/FF points and lounges and want the convenience of being able to travel GLT-BNE-??? at several times during the day, not just once in the AM/PM.

Good on them for having a go but like has been said, they came into the market at the weakest time of the year. If they had the cash to run another 6-12 months, they may have been able to make a go of it.

So what have they got starting from Feb 9 if they are going to redeploy the aircraft?

[onehitwonder]

Frees up an airframe to do Tamworth without getting additional

[ANCPER]

Going Nowhere,

Not the wrong time of the yr, wrong time in the mining cycle to expect FIFO to support an RPT operation. When the construction is finished worker numbers in GLT (LNG) will go from something like 9000 down to less than 1000 for production.

LNG prices are headed in the same direction as IO.

onehitwonder: Yeah, for the same result as GLT?

[Going Nowhere]

Have Jetgo finished up on the Osborne contract?

Also one of their E135's has been in PER for a while. Maintenance?

[Ned Stark]

Haven't you heard, Dubbo- Mel starts soon

[Honky Tonk]

I pity the poor souls if they hire people to be MEL based for this experiment.

[Nulli Secundus]

Why is that

[BPA]

From Australian Aviation

Jetgo delays launch of Dubbo-Melbourne service | Australian Aviation (http://australianaviation.com.au/2015/10/jetgo-delays-launch-of-melbourne-service/)

[Ned Stark]

Why is that nulli?? Obviously you haven't seen their track record. :ugh:

[TBM-Legend]

I can't believe that they wouldn't have checked and had a firm position on a/ terminal space at Tulla and b/ security issues at EN. Any professional mob would do this before announcing routes..:eek:

[TWOTBAGS]

Actually you need to get the facts straight, they did and in the space of 6 weeks what was indicated by various airports has been found not factual by the operator..... (not that this ever happens :})

On Sept 1 OTS changed the rules for the lodgement of any amendments to TSP's under S23 & S24 of the Act. This was unannounced, OTS did not even inform company SCO's that legislative changes had been made.

Reality is very different to that 10 years ago after the security changes we had to have :rolleyes: when budgets were massive. OTS never expected the amount of changes operators would be making. Hence the changes to the way things are done now.

Its not the operator that has the problem its the airport. MEB have all good intentions and Jetgo is not the only established operator that has been looking at going there. The airport have agreement with all the players, operator, ground handler, security provider and even the OTS reps. However the bureaucracy at HQ has turned about in their typical govt fashion and said our charter says we are required to respond in XX days and that is when you can expect approval.

So before the I told you so's all get foamed up because their particular football team gets flogged this weekend..... get the facts straight.

The other regional operators have had 15 years to move into this market space and open new routes.....and they haven't.

So why sling shade on an operator who is actually doing something good for the regions at a reasonable price? and its "surprise surprise" a federal government department dragging its heals.

[Ned Stark]

Well it seems 2 regions have been let down wouldn't you think? :ok:

"So why sling shade on an operator who is actually doing something good for the regions at a reasonable price?"

[Nulli Secundus]

However the bureaucracy at HQ has turned about in their typical govt fashion and said our charter says we are required to respond in XX days and that is when you can expect approval.

How many days are 'xx days' and what what was it prior to 1 Sept and the govt turn about?

[BPA]

Using Avalon as a short term solution.

Jetgo headed to Melbourne Avalon | Australian Aviation (http://australianaviation.com.au/2015/10/jetgo-headed-to-melbourne-avalon/)