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victor tango
12th Nov 2014, 19:10
Im increasingly cheesed off with the way MPs are selected.
When in office many reveal that they are unfit for purpose.

So rather than complaining lets try to fix it.

The way to get a job is to be interviewed for your suitability. Basic isnt it.

Now lets say you are on the interview board for a candidate to become an MP, who if successful will govern our lives and make laws etc.

To make it interesting and informative from your inputs I suggest;
Post 3 pertinent interview questions.
You cant post 3 more until someone has answered the previous.

I,ll start it off with;

1 Where have you worked previously.
2 Why do you think this is the job for you.
3 What are yours views on.....(multi selection)

Look forward to your responses!

12th Nov 2014, 19:12
1. Will you be loyal to the current Party leader?
2. Will you be loyal to the current Party leader?
3. Will you be loyal to the current Party leader?

You cannot fix it under the current Party system. There has to be a realistic chance for an Independent to get elected. Without that, Parties will continue to select on the above 3 questions, not on merit.

12th Nov 2014, 19:15
1. Have you served your country in the military? (No? Next candidate please)
2. Describe the differences between a Democracy and a Republic
3. Are you willing to take this position for minimum wage?

12th Nov 2014, 19:20
rg, not interested in seeing a uniform requirement added to our mix. It's a nice but not required bit of background. Also, since the discussion was about MP's, maybe we should leave this thread to our dear cousins across the pond. ;)

12th Nov 2014, 19:29
Our dear cousins, or some of them anyway, seem to have this habit of sticking their noses into threads which should be 'merica-centric. So what the hell?!

Besides, Fox3 already waded in and although I believe he's a Brit by birth he currently calls the frozen tundra of O' Canada, home. Which makes him a Canadian of sorts. (And purveyor of all fine things, snow-related. And cold.)

12th Nov 2014, 19:36
Have you had at least five years employment in a proper job totally unconnected with politics?

Gertrude the Wombat
12th Nov 2014, 20:19
I have taken part in a few such selection processes, via hustings and then a vote.

Round here, where the person we select has a decent chance of actually becoming the MP, the business is taken fairly seriously. Last time around we had six people to chose from, any one of whom would have been better at the job than a fair number of sitting MPs, and at least half of them, including the one we chose, would have done an excellent job.

As far as I know there weren't any useless applicants, on the grounds that if they knew they were useless there wasn't any point in applying, as they wouldn't get onto the short list (even if they passed the party vetting procedure to get onto the candidates list in the first place).

The questions asked are, as you'd expect, a mixture of things like

- asking candidates to clarify something they'd said in their speeches

- asking candidates for their views on something one of the others had said

- the questioner banging on about his/her hobby-horse

and so on.

12th Nov 2014, 20:44
RGB - I am now a Canadian citizen, but still a British citizen (also) and retain the right to vote.

Though if they'd let me transfer my UK State pension, I would cheerfully leave them to sink beneath the weight of the National Debt.

p.s. Vulcanised :ok:

12th Nov 2014, 22:07
Going back to the beginning of the 20th Century, all our local MPs were 'landed gentry'.

I expect that, in some regions, MPs were, in fact, retired military officers (who were, probably, 'landed gentry' - in order to be officers in the military).

Is there any 'reference' (such as Wiki) that describes 'who' became MPs from the beginning of the system until the establishment of the Labour Party (which, presumably, introduced 'the working man' to the list of candidates)?

Somehow, Members 1820-1832 | History of Parliament Online (http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/members-1820-1832) seems too detailed - I want a more generalised account.

Gertrude the Wombat
12th Nov 2014, 22:33
A lot of Tories were working lawyers - which is supposedly why Parliament didn't sit in the morning, because they were at their day jobs in court then.

13th Nov 2014, 00:25
Q1. Why do you want to be a politician and not a useful productive member of the country?

Q1a. WRT above, why is it stated "country" and not "society" or "community"?

Q2. Do you think its right that politicians be given the chance to make a "conscience vote" on some issue? YES/NO. Give at least one example of a modern day politician who actually has (or has had) a conscience.

Q3. If government funds are misspent or wasted, should the politician(s) responsible do jail time? YES/NO. Do you feel a mandatory 10 years hard labour is not enough? YES/NO.

Q4. Given that you may be an honest person now, how long do you think it will be before you are as corrupt and inept as the rest of 'em? 6 months? 1 year? 18 months?

Q5. Would you be prepared to do back room deals with Socialist ratbags in order to push through logical sensible yet urgent legislation to prevent, say, a deep economic recession? YES/NO.

Q6. What is Ebola? - An upcoming rock band? / A new type of Email service? / A nasty deadly virus? / The name of a granddaughter of the Queen?

Q7. You have a telephone. In 3 calls start WW3.

Q8. Now, making 2 calls prevent WW3.

Q9. Which of the following do you regard as a bribe?

a) A free box of butter cookies from the Girl Guides if you keep the local library open.

b) You'll be offered a much better portfolio assignment if you support a certain left wing proposal on hiking the personal tax of the economically productive rich.

c) A 3 million dollar "contribution" to your choice of Hong Kong bank in recognition of your efforts in a government enterprise.

Q10. How do you regard the Electorate as a whole? (circle one only)

- A bunch of morons
- A bunch of easily fooled morons
- Hey I'm one of those morons!

Thank you. You'll be notified when its your turn to be nominated or pushed up against the wall.

13th Nov 2014, 00:27
Have you worked for 10 years in gainful none political employment
Will you accept a criminal record bars you from office immediately
Will you except your pension paid at the retirement age in line with the populace
Will you accept pay rises at the national average
Will you accept pay at the national average
Will you accept none employment of family members as staff
Will you accept no loss of political career severance package
Will you accept no expenses bar a bus pass, underground and rail card and prepaid hotel accommodation, which if not used will be charged to you.
Will you accept no third party jobs, board positions or consultancies whilst serving.
Will you accept your manifesto as legally binding and failure to comply with those items will result in criminal prosecutions.

If not next please.

13th Nov 2014, 01:01
Do you live her?

At least the OP would only elect a Berk.

Krystal n chips
13th Nov 2014, 05:30
Our dear cousins, or some of them anyway, seem to have this habit of sticking their noses into threads which should be 'merica-centric.

I know, and it's utterly appalling that the world should have the temerity to intrude on the insularity some Americans feel is their divine right...alternative perspectives do tend to complicate matters for the intellectually diminished now don't they ?

If it's any consolation, there are quite a few equally misguided Brits who feel that shiny shoes and a pressed uniform constitute essential criteria for being an MP......most of them are institutionalised in their views of life in the same manner as yourself.

Gertrude the Wombat
13th Nov 2014, 08:51
If it's any consolation, there are quite a few equally misguided Brits who feel that shiny shoes and a pressed uniform constitute essential criteria for being an MP
The idea that all politicians should have served in uniform is just as bonkers as the idea that all politicians should be housewives or all politicians should be disabled.

One size doesn't fit all. There is something of a variety of people out there. There should be something of a variety in politics.

13th Nov 2014, 10:45
There should be something of a variety in politics.

Agree. Sadly, it's always the politicians who get elected.

I know some supremely capable, thoughtful and intelligent people. Some of them serve in the House of Lords and provide a (weak, I grant you) filter against some of the excesses of the politicians.

The polly-class want to do away with the present HoL and replace it with another chamber of their own kind. Well, you would if you thought you could get away with it, wouldn't you.

13th Nov 2014, 11:09
A hat from another ex-pat.

How about importing the idea from the western colonies; of the Primary Election?

This makes the process of candidate selection slightly more democratic.

Also think of what might be the result of being able to select the candidate of the party that you don't support, but will probably win in your constituency.