Upheaval in the (EK) Bouncy Castle?

[Kamelchaser]

Hearing rumours about major upheaval in the bouncy castle? Jobs dis-established etc. Sackings, redundancies?

Any truth?

Fallout from the staff survey perhaps?

[Payscale]

That what I hear....heads off in HR.

[777boyindubai]

Rumour has it that two VPs marched out of the building. Looks like our beloved leaders commissioned the survey to use to get into some top 50 companies to work for thing. Guess the results weren't what they were expecting. Good to see the boys (and girls) in the Puzzle Palace have their fingers on the pulse.......

[MrMachfivepointfive]

Two SVPs, one VP and counting. More on the way.

[BigGeordie]

Interesting times. Trouble is when a VP or SVP leaves the new one is usually worse!

[jack schidt]

I heard it was VP, knives forkes spoons Europe?

[MrMachfivepointfive]

Interesting times. Trouble is when a VP or SVP leaves the new one is usually worse!
Universal law of nature. Applies to all businesses above a certain size.

[TransitCheck]

Hopefully one of the VP's doing the marching was AAR.....the ex-engineer turned pilot hater.

He has done nothing but put in arbitrary stupid rules to piss the pilots off because he is jealous of the way our schedules used to be.

[TineeTim]

What do you call three sacked VPs at EK?




A GOOD START!!!!! Boom-Tish

Right- hat, coat, door.

[Payscale]

Do you think it is the responsible person that got fired.... or the responsible person that fired someone else!
Do you think the VP's also dance with joy when a pilot is sacked???
Grow up and grow a pair

[Alconguin Crusader]

The management might not jump up and down when a pilot is fired but they sure do it enough where they are probably numb to the concept.
Just to show everyone how much they hate pilots they take away or don't even give us Zero Cost Items. Why? A little good will goes a long way especially with this pilot group. The pilots always bend over backwards for the airline.

[helen-damnation]

TransitCheck

I believe he's got the teflon dish dash, married to AD royalty (or extension of).

[MrMachfivepointfive]

Mach man, you seem to be sure of yourself, what positions did those 3 hold? All three from HR.

[speed2height]

Its probably blogs like this Truth about Emirates Airline Management | Truth is the daughter of time (http://donotflyemirates.wordpress.com/) that lead to the employee survey about how employees feel about working for EK and that in turn probably resulted in a change in a few of the senior management positions.

Pilots for the whole part do not tend to blog, or complete voluntary company surveys about satisfaction, so don't be too disappointed when the status quo remains status.

[TransitCheck]

H-D. Thanks for the gen...I was not aware.

[sluggums]

The daughter of the main man in AD as far as I know....

[ruserious]

and he is an EVP, which is a fair chunk higher than VP or even SVP

[GoreTex]

guys, don't hold your breath, the stupid rules are here to stay, nothing gets better here

[Nikita81]

guys, don't hold your breath, the stupid rules are here to stay, nothing gets better here

For sure. Passive attitude towards life always causes nothing to get better.

[Payscale]

CRUSADER

You are living in days gone by.
EK doesnt fire pilot very often any more. Actually they keep guys for a very long time before letting them go these days.
Just because they done love you doesnt mean they hate you. They are as indifferent to me as I am to them. Its just a business and we are all here for the same reasons. From baggage handler to TC. Our baseline motive is the same. To make enough money to care for our families.

[troff]

Has anyone heard of any movement in Flt. Ops.?

[flaphandlemover]

AS on the way out... Will be replaced by JA.
HalH will be following JA...

Don't shoot the messanger

[Dropp the Pilot]

What provoked the Long Knives? Feel free to jump in with devilishly clever innuendo and blindingly obvious guesses but maybe someone actually knows? It would be interesting.

The fall of the original TC, "K", was pretty entertaining.

[nolimitholdem]

I'm not usually given to schadenfreude, but anything that causes some useless oxygen thief in EGHQ to have even a slight appreciation of the extreme roster instability that every line pilot has every month, is fine by me.

Fire them all. It would free up a whole lot of parking spaces in that useless parking structure.

[Kapitanleutnant]

I have intel that says HalH is leaving EK and going to run the new CAE in Silicon Oasis.

Don't think he'll be JA's replacement… Just what I'm hearing.

[flareflyer]

Till when AAR will be there it does not matter who are the ones......
AS is pretty useless but i don't think that JA will be able to improve our situation.....

[Nikita81]

Maybe you should all write your suggestions for improvements. Even if you post them here (and not send them directly to your managers), we know that top management is reading you, so why not use the advantage of anonymous education of your managers?

You will not be exposed, and they will not feel too proud to "be taught" how to improve things. I am sure that they have difficulties to determine where to begin with changes and since unions are forbidden, they don't have your feedback. I think it is a good idea to provide them some suggestions, not only complaints (through surveys).

:)


Dragana

[BigGeordie]

Nikita, I think you must be new here.

[donpizmeov]

No. She may have been unfairly dismissed some time ago.

Ever wonder why some well known fellas don't post anymore? It's not that anonymous.

The don

[Nikita81]

Yes, I am new. :) But not new to the world and its ways of functioning.

There is a difference between complaints and suggestions. If you criticize something, it doesn't mean that the person to whom you're complaining to will automatically know HOW to change it. Some people are not capable to understand complaints, some are not skilled enough, some are not imaginative enough (especially in EK). Suggestions in the form of "you should do that and that because of that and that and it will result in that and that" (not "we want that and that") may show some results.

It's easy to register a new account and hide its IP if you're worried about your identity being exposed (and I don't blame you, EK is well known for firing people for writings on the internet).

You can, also, send me suggestions and I will publish them.

Employees of one company are all there to make the company running successfully not to ruin it. You all have interest in a good company's profit, so nobody can treat suggestions as a threat if they are smart. And they have to be smart if they want their company to last.

Just my two cents after reading (and enjoying your sense of humour:)) your forum.

All the best, guys. :)

[givemewings]

It's not that anonymous, but the fact that there are snitches in the ranks doesn't help either (that goes for flight deck as well as the cc)


This campaign for better treatment is all well and good, but I think the point being missed is- there is no such thing as unfair dismissal here, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously living in fantasyland if they think they can take on the 'system' here and win... we are not living in the UK or US or Australia or Europe...


You all have interest in a good company's profit, so nobody can treat suggestions as a threat if they are smart. And they have to be smart if they want their company to last.


No offence, Dragana, but you of all people should know that is not how it is here... until the idea comes from inside the bouncy castle, it will not happen.

[ironbutt57]

Years ago one employer had a campaign offering monetary rewards for whomever came up with the best idea for reducing costs in a particular area...I duly submitted one, but shortly was castigated by a manager for "complaining, just accept it for how it is and do your job"...shortly thereafter it became his idea, and was implemented...not sure if it won the cash, but it made it abundantly clear that suggestions were not welcome...

[Nikita81]

No offence, Dragana, but you of all people should know that is not how it is here... until the idea comes from inside the bouncy castle, it will not happen.

I am not offended, why would I be? The idea of changing my own reality is very clear to me: if I do something, if I ACT, I maybe live better; if I don't - it will not change. If I let my reality depend on others, it will.

[kirungi1]

I would have loved Harry-the-cod to pronounce himself on this matter as he is EK through and through otherwise known as stoic.

That said, who is the arbiter of good taste in this context dragana? smart ideas in comparison to what for this specific region? Take some time to study the growth of this company from inception to-date and draw own conclusions that is works for some.
There is a structure of growth and indeed of everything at EK and it would be inconceivable to try living unsustainably just to accommodate those not pitched to modern day business/aviation reality checks otherwise it won't be long until another big bang.

I would lower my expectations/greed and learn to manage the little that there is. I know of a few who want to get in but luck hasn't allowed it.

otherwise harry-the-stoic has made running commentaries of this and more and please appreciate folks that this is the reality of things now.

[Nikita81]

I am sorry, I can't understand anything from your post except my name. :)

[Mach_Krit]

hahaha...I thought I was the only one that didn't get it

[Am NOT Sure]

Kirungi

You must be a Vp

[Dropp the Pilot]

Kirungi has obviously not read Boswell

We discussed the question whether drinking improved conversation and benevolence. Sir Joshua maintained it did. Johnson: "No, Sir: before dinner men meet with great inequality of understanding; and those who are conscious of their inferiority, have the modesty not to talk. When they have drunk wine, every man feels himself happy, and loses that modesty, and grows impudent and vociferous: but he is not improved; he is only not sensible of his defects."

[kirungi1]

Am Not Sure ;)

Dropp the Pilot, I appreciate your reference - Boswell; whether the philosophy holds even across this board, is perhaps not for today.
I want to walk you across this forum to another thread; Ethiopian Airline Pilot Jobs - warning! and this is what strontium posted:-

Really?
You people are the most clueless bunch I've ever seen. You misread their mentality sooooo much it's pathetic! You're still thinking in terms of the neat and tidy contract work you're used to elsewhere. Forget it! This is a different world and you're doing a disservice to anyone who would benefit from working there.
If anyone out there is serious about the airline, here's some real insight you can use instead of the vitriol I see posted: Ethiopian, or as the literary genius Zubenelwhatever calls it, "Ethiopean," is a government-owned enterprise with profit being only one of its many motivators. It has survived decades of political subversion, mismanagement, wars, civil wars, disasters, countless hijakings and coups-galore to become a respectable outfit in Africa. To think that your pompous threat of "boycott" will pain the airline is comedic delusion at its best! Just mind boggling, laughable cluelessness!
Do yourself a big favor and get it through your heads that you'll go without pay for training- so don't come broke and threaten them with a story that you'll turn into a beggar if they don't pay you immediately- they don't care. As far as they know, living on the edge of bankruptcy is your own problem. Know that you have to be patient with EVERYTHING while there. Everyone is delayed and given the run around, including the locals, not just you. Save your patronizing as no one will accommodate your workers' rights philosophy, neither will they play the role of satisfying your unemployment needs. The fact that you get paid 3 times a local captain will make your indignation seem out of place at the office. They're proud, and you appear as just another in a line of know-it-all foreigners with a chip on their shoulder, so consider your attitude before you try to join- a friendly one will get you much farther than pounding on some agency contract or a lecture on labor laws. They dictate the terms. They're liable to change them. Take it, or leave it- for a better airline if you can.
That's reality, so you either know about it and make it work, or you can spend your time debating the virtues of the Magna Carta- your choice. One will lead to a job, the other to frustration. Some are satisfied, some are not. Most expats are level-headed and know enough to get the maximum out of their circumstances. Others are incompetent boobs who slip through the cracks and pray their next screw-up doesn't cost them their job. Or if they get rejected, spew trash and fumble around forums to boost their fallen ego. If you do make it through training and come to appreciate the work, like some of the more balanced expats there do, you'll have a variety of destinations not found at most other places, great hotels, time in one of the safest capitals anywhere, and a chance to see a unique culture.
It's hard flying, but think for yourself and don't listen to the poison spouted like the "starvation versus shiny jets" brain-fart, and the "bottom-feeder airline" nonsense. The third-world shortcomings come as a great revelation these knuckleheads. The easier it is for you to realize complaining won't change the culutre, the sooner you'll adapt.
Those uninformed should get a better grasp of the reality of the world they live in, stop acting the prima donna and first try to understand what they're getting into before becoming online crusaders.

The principle and margins of these two discussions are in union. You might have to advise strontium about Boswell but it's equally relevant to live in the present. Draw own conclusions.

[Dropp the Pilot]

Keep it up. Let's see how many Johnson quotes I can make that are apposite to your "posts"....

“This is one of the disadvantages of wine, it makes a man mistake words for thoughts.”


― Samuel Johnson, The Life of Samuel Johnson LL.D. Vol 2

[Eau de Boeing]

Meanwhile back on earth.......

Movements in Service Delivery today too.
Wonder if anything is in the offing for Flt Ops.


:D

[Fart Master]

EdB, a large mass moving sideways or downwards in service delivery?

[ruserious]

Yep, looks like Kev has been moved sideways to become SVP of broom cupboard :hmm:

[lowstandard]

They must feel Service Delivery is suffering somehow.. I guess flogging the cabin crew under the constant threat of some sort of disciplinary action is not yielding results.

Its like the cabin crew don't give a s@#t anymore, cant figure it out so time for a shuffling of bums.

I know who I would vote for the new SVP of Service Delivery or
SVP Champagne Service Delivery!!

[Nikita81]

Yes, they certainly care for sufferings of their employees or departments.

[The Turtle]

its such a morale boost having to drive past three levels of management Jags, Mercedes, Range Rovers et all so I can find my space on level 10.....and have the pleasure of paying 20 dhs for it!

[harry the cod]

....and have to double park my Maserati while I spend 3 hours plus waiting for HR when as a Captain I should have my own dedicated desk. I can then complain about the 14 days off I got when my best mate got 16. I also had to get my maid to iron a shirt as the laundry queue was ten deep in cabin crew.

Turtle. Stop stressing what you can and can't control. Don't do more than 2 hours there. Not only will you save your precious 20 dhs, but you'll not give a toss about those VP's and above that have to come to work 5 days a week for 9 hours a day.

Would it be right to reserve 3 floors of parking space for pilots that come to EGHQ once a month at most and make the senior management drive to the tenth floor?

You're obviously not having a good day but a sense of reality is required here, don't you think? I too get dizzy driving round and round but now that winter's here, why not park on the road outside and walk? Free between 1and 4 and only 5 dhs max for 2 hours outside of that. Pick your battles matey and this isn't one of them.

Harry

[The Turtle]

sarcasm, mate....sarcasm on my part with the 10th floor.


apologies I didn't add the busted smiley face....


(i'll be more thorough on the next try)

[The Outlaw]

Heard our esteemed leader of TD and HR...recruitment, mile high etc et al...RH got the sack...anyone got the inside track?

[halas]

Not Rick the Dick?!?!?:ugh:

halas

[flareflyer]

Is it possible to ask the moderator to ban these children????

And just to keep us motivated, it is the 23rd and no rosters yet........:ugh: