FAA cross certification to SA CAA

[paulmcallister]

Hello,

I apologize if this question has been asked before. hold the following FAA Certificatess.

SEL Commercial
MEL Commercial
Instrument rating.

I would like to understand what is required for me to be allowed to work in SA. I have emailed the SA CAA without success, but if anyone knows a resource or perhaps where this information is published on the CAA website I'd appreciate the help.

[cavortingcheetah]

At the least a work permit.

And then:

With regard to a flight crew licence.....

You could refer initially to this page on the South African CAA website.

Part 61/ 01.13./13a./13b.

Part 61 Licensing Forms - All Documents (http://www.caa.co.za/Part%2061%20Licensing%20Forms/Forms/AllItems.aspx)

[paulmcallister]

Thanks for the URL, its very helpful. I did find this interview Interview: John Corcoran (Humanitarian Aid Flying in Africa) | Oddball Pilot (http://oddballpilot.com/2012/12/interview-john-corcoran-humanitarian-aid-flying-in-africa/) with lots of practical information in it as well.

The big take away was that the it makes it easier all around if I re certify with the SA CAA

[darkroomsource]

Paul, are you 'merican or South African or some other nationality?

[paulmcallister]

Australian, but living in the USA.

I have about 1800 hours but less than 100 ME Turbine, mostly DH-6 Otter

[Trossie]

I have emailed the SA CAA without success...That should be a clue as to what your problems are going to be...

A work permit will be needed before any licence issues will be of any use to you. And if you think that a lack of success in replies from the SA CAA are a problem, that is just the start! I know people who were entitled to residents' permits there but the whole process to get through the paperwork was taking so long (many, many, many months) that they gave up on the whole idea and no longer live there. Good luck!

[four engine jock]

You dont need a work permit.

[cavortingcheetah]

True enough, you don't need a work permit to get a licence although there are many other hoops to navigate.
But, do you need a work permit to get a job/residence once you have the licence?

[Trossie]

I would like to understand what is required for me to be allowed to work in SA.
You dont need a work permit.

Interesting response.

[darkroomsource]

You need to find out from the SA government whether you will need a work permit or not to work in SA.
With American or British citizenship, you need a work permit.
Getting anything through SA government channels will take some time.
If you know who to talk to, you might be able to hurry things along a bit with a smile and a brown envelope. But if you don't know the right person to talk to, you could end up in a worse situation.

[cavortingcheetah]

Do I hear the words 'brown envelope'?
Surely you mean a large Manilla envelope full of leopards?
I know a man at a Randburg robot, the same who supplies AK47s, who'll get you any permit you like for a hundred or so of the little leaping cat.
Please submit photograph, through these pages, for extrapolation for any permit insert. Total estimated wildlife fund donation for suitable rendition would be five hundred leopards. Walmart sell very large examples of those Manillas. Wire me when ready.

[ct2003]

Copied from my yesterday's answer:

If you don't hold a RSA citizenship or work permit yet: rather save your efforts. Do not expect to get one as there are enough well qualified pilots in SA and therefor the criteria for a work permit for foreign pilots won't be fulfilled. You will find similar answers here before.

[four engine jock]

To Work in SA your do need a work Permit.
To get the Lic you dont.

[four engine jock]

That’s not totally true.
Yes lots of pilots in SA, Qualified not so sure.

[cavortingcheetah]

Some while ago on a day when I was meandering away the time at DCA I fell into conversation with two or three chaps from up country western Africa. They all had British Coms. In those days these were little blue books. Mine was green. Now there all dark blue so there's no panache in being a different colour. How very boring! Anyway, these guys were all collecting what sounded like over the counter type validations in order that they could go to FALA and fly for an operator there whose fleet includes jets and whose hangars, or so I am told, intrudes upon the ILS on 06L (or whatever it's called these days.)
Work permits were for the birds as far as these interlopers were concerned.

Edited to add that I meant at the new CAA and fairly recently too.

[oompilot]

You can get the licence and work for a South African company. You may not apply your skills within the borders of South Africa unless you get the permit. In other words you can go on 'contract' in another African country. Considering the fact that there are already American registered aircraft operating in Africa requiring FAA rated pilots one would wonder just why you would then go to all the hassle of getting a SA licence to start with. My guess would also be that the number of ZS register aircraft in Africa is diminishing.

[paulmcallister]

Thank you oompilot for this clarification. Yes it is my intention to seek work with a SA Contractor but work outside SA.

Of particular interest is to fly for outfits that contract to the Red Cross, UN, Food for Children and so on. Air-Tec is one such company. If anyone knows of outfits besides Air-Tec that contract for relief agencies I'd appreciate you letting me know.

I would prefer to fly twin turbine aircraft and the one that is in common use in Africa is the LET. It is somewhat similar to the Twin Otter that I have experience with.

Here is where is gets interesting. There are no LET's flying in the US and it is not possible to get a type rating endorsement on FAA certificates for a LET.

I could, (and perhaps should) target opportunities on Beech or other aircraft aircraft that could be type rated on my certificate, but so far all of the outfits I have seen are requesting EASA or CAA certification.


Thank you everyone for your input so far, please keep it coming.