View Full Version : Keeping traditional dates

victor tango
7th Nov 2014, 19:59
Im sitting here 7-30 pm Friday 7 Nov and the fireworks locally are very active.

Guy Fawkes day is Nov 5th, but its subtly moved to accommodate a more suitable weekend night. Whats the point? It's dumbing down the original commemoration.

Similarly Nov 11th is remembrance day, also moved to the nearest weekend.
Nov 11th seems to bypass the national appreciation of the event by shifting the date around.
Some may remember everything coming to a standstill at 1100 on the 11th Nov for 2 minutes silence, now I believe reduced to one?

I just find it sad we cant stick with the ACTUAL date, otherwise its just a convenience for peoples "busy" lives.

7th Nov 2014, 20:23
Enjoy the fireworks twice. I am - and there'll be more tomorrow.

tony draper
7th Nov 2014, 21:38
Loads of traditions have just faded away in my lifetime,talked about one on another thread, Baister day,Carling Sunday,Hoy oots at weddings, Bread and Cheese hand out at Christenings,Easter Egg Booling, Fish on a Friday even if you were a heathen,Empire Day, Harvest Festival,Pancake Tuesday, the Wicker Man.

Gertrude the Wombat
7th Nov 2014, 21:44
Reach Fair got moved to a bank holiday on account of it was going to go bust and stop happening otherwise, because people weren't taking the day off work. And that had been going for several hundred years before Guy Fawkes.

I understand that changing King John's charter to allow the change of date involved a certain amount of bureaucratic hassle. (But I don't know whether this included the Queen's personal approval.)

7th Nov 2014, 22:01
Part of a larger problem. I've seen championship sports teams asked to alter their return flights to serve the convenience of politicians who want to shine in the reflected glory.

After an excellent landing etc...

7th Nov 2014, 22:49
I just find it sad we cant stick with the ACTUAL date, otherwise its just a convenience for peoples "busy" lives.

I think you will find there will still be a substantial observance on the 11th November.

Windy Militant
7th Nov 2014, 22:57
Some folks seem to be going back to the traditions
Buses to pause in tribute to the fallen in Swindon (From Swindon Advertiser) (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10038015.Buses_to_pause_in_tribute_to_the_fallen_in_Swindon/?ref=arc)

Possibly the large number of Gurkas employed by Thamesdown Transport nowadays, has had an influence, either way well done to all concerned!

tony draper
7th Nov 2014, 23:07
I am a tad puzzles as to why we did not wait for four years to commemorate the end of the War? I mean 11.11,1914 is not even a hundredth anniversary of the beginning of War? that was back in August.
Not trying to start a argument or being disrespectful just a bit puzzled.

7th Nov 2014, 23:50
Fish on a Friday - the mandate on that ran out, but me being a fish freak it's mandatory in this house.

Harvest Festival - we do one in each of the three churches.

Pancake Tuesday - celebrated here.

Remembrance Sunday is 11/11, transferred to the nearest Sunday for church services. We've just about finished putting together the service for Sunday complete with bugler, wreath, and all the traditional stuff.

8th Nov 2014, 00:24
Hoy oots at weddings,

Did a bit of head scratching on that one, Drapes. I'm guessing that as "hoy" means "throw", this refers to the old tradition of the groom chucking pennies out of the wedding car for the local kids (urchins, you'd say) to scramble for. We used to have that in Scotland when I was a kid but I hadn't heard of it South of the border.

But then they do say a Geordie is just a Scotsman with his brains blown out ;)

8th Nov 2014, 07:50
Used to have something similar in the East End (of London) TTN.

The cry was "Chuck out yer mouldies!"

tony draper
8th Nov 2014, 07:55
Yer but you live out in the sticks where some tradition still holds sway Mr Keef.

8th Nov 2014, 09:37
The one that pi55es me off is Mayday. Mayday is the first day of May. We are so wedded to the idea of convenience that we have to have it on a convenient Moday - one year that turned out to be May 8th.

Pinky the pilot
8th Nov 2014, 10:26
Used to have Guy Fawkes Day here in South Australia on November 5th, which involved in letting off various types of fireworks. 'Penny', "Tuppeny' and 'Thruppeny' Bungers, (increasingly larger sizes of crackers) Skyrockets, Roman Candles etc etc.

All good fun but unfortunately given the Southern Hemisphere's seasons would occasionally (read often) give cause to the local Fire Services being called out to fight the odd grass fire!:eek:

Not to mention the fact that said fireworks were always for sale at least two weeks before Guy Fawkes Day and young boys being what they were......:O

For a brief period, the 'celebration' was shifted to the southern hemisphere mid winter. Exactly when I can no longer recall.

However, after a few years of a State Labor (Socialist) Government in the early 70's it was all banned!:{ Of course the reasons given were that too many children were appearing at the emergency wards at the local Hospitals suffering from various fireworks caused injuries!

"And we must prevent our Children from suffering such injuries!!":=

Which if I remember correctly, is a direct quote from the then State Premier Don Dunstan, justifying the ban his Government applied to the sale of fireworks.:*

8th Nov 2014, 11:34
I wonder if Carlin Sunday is still celebrated with carlin peas, probably only in NE England

tony draper
8th Nov 2014, 12:12
Not now Mr Ricardian,tell the youngins now an they wunt believe yer.

8th Nov 2014, 16:52
In this country if a statutory holiday falls on a weekend, you don't get a day off in lieu. Would you prefer that?

Union Jack
8th Nov 2014, 17:45
We used to have that in Scotland when I was a kid but I hadn't heard of it South of the border. -TTN

Known as a "poor oot" in the Edinburgh area** where, in order to tantalise children, it was not uncommon for the money to have been heated - often quite substantially!:E

**And by other names in different parts of Scotland


8th Nov 2014, 19:30
Move Xmas Day to the Saturday after the Winter Solstice.
That makes the Sunday Boxing Day.
Shift New Year to the Monday.

Gets the whole lot over in one long week-end, only one hangover.

Over to you Padre Keef.

8th Nov 2014, 19:37
As regards fireworks, I was at an annual safety briefing at a well known and much loved low cost airline.
It was pointed out that fireworks were not allowed to be sold in the Irish Republic,and that as a result people bought them in the U.K., and took them to Ireland, in preparation for New Year.They were very concerned that fireworks were being brought onto the aircraft.
"Am I to understand that explosives are being taken from the U.K. to Ireland?" says I.
"Makes a change" says I.
Stony silence.