Difference between RYR Training

[anderse]

After a positive answer from RYR, I can choose between three different courses.

1. FR
2. CAE
3. LGW


FR Courses will take place entirely in East Midlands, CAE Courses entirely in AMS and LGW courses will consist of ground school in AMS with the simulator training in London Gatwick. All courses have an introduction week with Ryanair at East Midlands.


Where is pros and cons with the different options? I assume the living costs for FR-courses is lower compared with CAE and LGW?

[go around flaps15]

I did my training in AMS 4 or 5 years ago and I'm now with a different company at LGW. I also did most of my 6 month checks in EMA while I was an FR pilot.

Having experienced all three locations, I can tell you that living costs will be much lower in EMA than the other two. Therefore that is the one I personally would go for.

All three locations will have current Ryanair pilots conducting type rating training. Trust me, you won't have that much time to explore the sights of any of the three locations while you are doing the type rating. Crawley(just outside LGW) really is a must if you do get time however.

[RAT 5]

No idea what the costs at FR are. CAE would be better than LGW, because then you can stay in one location; i.e. easier to find accommodation. Do you intend to take your car from Norway? Always useful where-ever you go.
Accommodation can be varied at CAE. The costs are much the same €25/n. This could be B&B on your own, B&B shared house, or B&B self catering. All the same. Quality differs. FR could be easier to sort out your files, uniform, base training schedule etc. You are close to mission control. Due to the changing sim schedules sympathetic accommodation is needed. Can you get breakfast at 04.30? Can you have access to snacks at 01.30? If you don't take a car then FR will require taxis in the night hours. CAE has good public transport 24hrs, depending on where you stay.

[galwaypilot]

I personally would go for EMA. Are you already rated on the 737 out if interest?

[speed_alive_rotate]

Does your choice reflect which base you will be sent to afterwards I wonder??

[anderse]

I dont have a car.
The TR cost €28 500 - how much allowance for extra costs (housing, food, taxi etc) should I budget? Do I have to pay tax on the TR? If yes, will I get reimbursed?

Opportunity to Fly for Ryanair Successful candidates may be offered an opportunity to fly for a contract pilot agency that supplies a pool of pilots that operate on Ryanair aircraft. As long as I pass the TR and work hard, I will almost guaranteed be offered a position as F/O? Or does it happend that sucessfull candidates are not offered job?

[RedBullGaveMeWings]

Does your choice reflect which base you will be sent to afterwards I wonder??

I know two Italians who did their training in EMA but are based in Spain, but as far as I know none of them asked to be based in the U.K.

I don't really think it reflects the base you may be sent to, 3 training facilities are only used to keep the flow going on.

I dont have a car.
The TR cost €28 500 - how much allowance for extra costs (housing, food, taxi etc) should I budget? Do I have to pay tax on the TR? If yes, will I get reimbursed?

As long as I pass the TR and work hard, I will almost guaranteed be offered a position as F/O? Or does it happend that sucessfull candidates are not offered job?

I have never heard of a candidate to not be offered a position after his line training. You should ditch the aircraft in a river or do something stupid in order to not be confirmed a position in the company.

[skyflyer737]

If you pass the TR and base training then you'll be offered a position without doubt. I've never heard of anyone not being offered a position if you pass all your checks.

East Midlands would be the cheapest place to do it in terms of cost of living, but the least enjoyable location. As has been mentioned, you'll have little time off but the area around East Midlands Airport is not particularly great.

I did my training at AMS a long time ago and found it expensive but enjoyable, and LGW would probably be equally as expensive.

I don't think you pay VAT on top of the €28,000 but any VAT you do pay should be reimbursed through your company.

Good luck!

[Aluminium shuffler]

Sim location and base at which you conduct line training have no influence over home basing. Seemingly nor do requests. ;) RYR need a lot of pilots right now, especially FOs, so as long as you pass and don't have a terrible attitude, you will have a job. It might be an employed position, too, rather than a contractor job, as there is a move towards getting most pilots onto legit employed status.

[anderse]

How is the current conditions in RYR for the moment? How much is F/Os flying a month/year?

And is it easy to change base?

[Bobermo]

The fo's i know, including myself, are clocking 800+ this year. Changing base is a big guess, some get lucky and are at home, some get stuck in a :mad:.

Be prepared to live far away from home and go in with your eyes wide open. I enjoy it very much, don't believe everything you read!

[viking767]

Does Ryanair not pay your accommodations while you are in training?

[anderse]

Of course not! I even have to buy my own uniform!

[Stabalised737]

Think I'm the same. Averaging around 90 hours for the summer and the winter which is normally bleak is looking at around 70 hours. Money is reasonable and I got a UK base 6 months after line training. I'm very much an exception. Base transfer can be anything from a few months to never. Pot luck. Training wise. I went to Amstersam. Which I very much enjoyed although the first batch of training is Done in an IPT. A procedure trainer compared to at EMA which is done in the simulator. ( 3+years ago). This I personally thought was a waste of time. The IPT was slow and hard to use. You would touch a switch and the switch five down from the one you touched would activate. The training and facilities at Ema are probably better but from an experience point of view and enjoying where your living I would pick Amstersam.

[Aluminium shuffler]

You will get no allowances from RYR of any sort. Positioning is on days off, and except on supernumary travel in uniform, at your own cost. All accommodation, equipment, uniform and sustainance is at your cost. You will also have to pay for medicals, licence issue and recurrent sim training at six month intervals and the annual SEP/CRM refresher. No sick pay or paid leave, no pay on standby. You can't even get a bottle of water out of them - you have to bring your own empty bottle through security to fill up from a tap and need to bring your own coffee or tea. They will let you have hot water from the aircraft boilers at no charge, and sachets of milk and sugar. That's it.

[apruneuk]

Where do I sign?!
:eek:

[speed_alive_rotate]

Do FR guys have to pay for jump seating or dead heading?? I thought that travel was one of the only perks!!

[doniedarko]

No charge for DH or jumpseating at the moment but looks like EASA will put paid to that. Looks like all crew will have to be on duty log (Hours !!!) or else will have to pay departure tax's as they will be ticked...now have a guess which RYR will make its pilots do !

[speed_alive_rotate]

@doniedarko, Is this to happen in the very near future or is it only being talked about? Roughly how much would you have to fork out for tax? Surely FR insurance must be lower with an extra pilot on board, it has to be beneficial in the case where a pilot on duty falls ill etc.

[Wirbelsturm]

Surely FR insurance must be lower with an extra pilot on board, it has to be beneficial in the case where a pilot on duty falls ill etc.

To be honest, and I mean this in a nice way, if you really believe the above statement you posted I would seriously suggest you have a good, hard look at the industry in Europe you are looking to get into.

[Lord Spandex Masher]

Positioning is on days off,

This is well know. What I'd like to know is how your Part A defines a day off?

Ours says a day off is a day free from all duties.

[speed_alive_rotate]

@Wirbelsturm, It was more a question than a statement. Think you jumped the gun a little!!

[Wirbelsturm]

Insurance is based on qualified rostered crews correctly mustered for that specific aircraft type and operation. Not on whether or not there 'happens' to be another qualified pilot on board. Odd question to ask and I was referring to the necessity to ask such questions.

Airlines want the money, if they can get away with charging you for 'dead heading' or jump seats you can guarantee that they will. It's free in the US to deadhead or use the Jumpseats, the ludicrous taxes levied against Air Fares in Europe under the 'Green' banner make it easy for airlines to charge for those 'extras'. The UK being the most expensive place in the world, after the recent increases to APD, to fly out of.

Positioning is and always should be a 'duty' hence it is a day at work. If the company 'require' you to operate from a base that is not your home base and they need to get you there by air/ground it is their duty to do so. I think the EASA regulations will muddy this a bit further as they want to allow your 'base' airfield to be within a set geographic distance from your home. (50 miles springs to mind)

[172_driver]

Do FR guys have to pay for jump seating or dead heading?? I thought that travel was one of the only perks!!

Perk!? Ha, try convincing me that when I have to travel 15 hrs to reach some back end part of Europe.

What I'd like to know is how your Part A defines a day off?

Same definition.

We all know it's ambiguous.

[Skyjob]

Aluminium Shuffler:
You will get no allowances from RYR of any sort. Positioning is on days off, and except on supernumary travel in uniform, at your own cost. All accommodation, equipment, uniform and sustainance is at your cost. You will also have to pay for medicals, licence issue and recurrent sim training at six month intervals and the annual SEP/CRM refresher. No sick pay or paid leave, no pay on standby.

The statement you make depends on contract type given, granted all new cadets are in such contracts, but this is not the entire picture available to the pilot applying.

Ryanair contracts WILL pay allowances for accommodation away from base (except training duties), accounts for duty travel, equipment, uniform and sustainment as part of the local base agreement added to the basic pay package. Furthermore this type of contract pays for medical, car park, insurance, NO sim nor recurrency training costs, has got statutory sick pay, holiday pay and more...

[fightthepower]

FALSE. I certainly had none of the above on my Ryanair contract issued after 2011. A €5000 per annum allowance on top of my ****ty €23000 salary was meant to cover everything. It was the then newly invented Junior FO payscale.

Thank god I left that awful place.