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Caboclo
4th Nov 2014, 00:48
Brilliant: Versions of capitalism in each country perfectly explained by using cows | Young Conservatives (http://www.youngcons.com/brilliant-versions-of-capitalism-in-each-country-perfectly-explained-by-using-cows/)

I don't get the one about Switzerland; can someone enlighten me?

Of course, we all know about the Kiwis... :suspect:

Nani
4th Nov 2014, 05:37
Cute!

Swiss cows,Swiss banks.;)

joy ride
4th Nov 2014, 09:02
So in British capitalism we have two cows, both mad. One is obviously called George Osborne, but what is the other called?

Capot
4th Nov 2014, 12:10
Sort of off thread, but did you look at the rest of the "Young Conservatives" website?

I suppose it's the price of freedom that people with such a combination of puerile, semi-literate, uninformed, rabid ideas can get to propagate them without let or hindrance.

They would have found a home in the Hitler Youth, progressing rapidly to the SS concentration camp guard detachments.

Should we worry about this? I don't think so, but only so long as normal adults can continue to treat them with the contempt they deserve. In the USA, and to a lesser extent in Europe, the worry is that there are adults who are equally moronic.

Trossie
4th Nov 2014, 15:23
I suppose it's the price of freedom that people with such a combination of puerile, semi-literate, uninformed, rabid ideas can get to propagate them without let or hindrance.

They would have found a home in the Hitler Youth, progressing rapidly to the SS concentration camp guard detachments.Europe has done that stuff that you quote, hasn't it?

A bunch of guys in Spitfires and Hurricanes in 1940 ensured that it didn't get exported across the Channel. But Brits still laugh at it all, the way the Young Conservatives are doing!

Britain's two cows both have the same name: 'Ed'!

racedo
4th Nov 2014, 18:40
Love the website is Young Cons.................... they will grow up and becaome MPs and will be Real Cons

charliegolf
4th Nov 2014, 18:49
Goggle 'Cows with Guns'. Very funny.

CG

Capetonian
4th Nov 2014, 19:14
South African capitalism :

There are 60 million bovines.

The goverment says there are 54 million bovines, but you know that at least 6 million are illegally in the country, even if the government doesn't know.

9% of the bovines are white and support the 80%, who are black by paying 98% of the taxes that keep the President Bovine and his multiple wives, mistresses, lovers, and casual pomps living in luxury..

The remaining 11% are more or less productive in various fields, particularly the Hindu bovines.

Education is out of reach for the huge majority of the black bovines, who refer to themselves as previously disadvantaged, because the government wants to keep them poor and uneducated (funny how history repeats itself!) but they are elevated into high positions in major strategic companies such as Escom, the Reserve Bank, and SAA, where white bovines behind the scenes try to limit the damage.

Most of the bovines produce no milk, but the limited production is sold to the lowest bidding ANC bovine, so that it can be sold on for maximum profit to the poorest and neediest.

BenThere
4th Nov 2014, 19:14
puerile, semi-literate, uninformed, rabid ideas

I did look at the rest of the website (for the first time, I might add) and found it nothing of the sort. In fact, those adjectives more likely apply to you than the 'Young Conservative' website, Capot, from what I can tell.

Your entire post was unsupported invective.

Capot
4th Nov 2014, 22:01
Racedo, these are not the UK's Young Conservatives, they are the USA version, a very different kettle of fish.

They are slightly to the right of the Nazis, and it was inevitable that Ben There would rise up to defend them.

con-pilot
4th Nov 2014, 22:09
They are slightly to the right of the Nazis

Really, what a sad and sorry life you live.

I actually feel sorry for you.

BenThere
4th Nov 2014, 22:15
Actually far to the right of the Nazis, uber left as they were.

PTT
4th Nov 2014, 22:18
Actually far to the right of the Nazis, uber left as they were.Actually they took elements from both sides. The important bits of NSDAP were Nationalist and Deutsche. Hitler arrested socialists and communists, and defined his policy as a national unity instead of class war. Given that class war is pretty much a defining principle of Marxism, with socialism defined as the victory of the proletariat over the capitalist, Hitler certainly wasn't a socialist in the Marxist sense.

That doesn't make him right wing, either, even though some of his policies were taken from the right, just as others were taken from the left. Fascist is what he was.

BenThere
4th Nov 2014, 22:26
It is a circle. You get so far right, you're left; or you get so far left, you're right.

In context, though, Hitler's ideology was leftist - supremacy of the state, suppression of any opposition, collective state-run enterprise, etc. The right doesn't go for any of that.

PTT
4th Nov 2014, 22:34
BenThere - nonsense. Marxism is all about class war, and Hitler wanted none of that. The ideology of Marxism is very different to that of Nazism. The authoritarian side could easily be ascribed to the right, but I'm being honest with you when I say I think he was not easily pigeonholed in the manner you seem to want to.
Hitler wasn't a socialist. Stop saying he was ? Telegraph Blogs (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100261121/hitler-wasnt-a-socialist-stop-saying-he-was/)
Political Compass - Analysis (http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2)

BenThere
4th Nov 2014, 22:36
He killed people like a socialist, though.

Trossie
4th Nov 2014, 22:58
And a bunch of marvellous chaps in Spitfires and Hurricanes in the 1940s stopped all that nonsense being exported across the Channel so that the likes of the Young Conservatives can now, in the enlightened freedom of their economically growing country, have a good laugh at them all while the socialists drag Europe into recession and poverty yet again!!

Can you eat steaks that come from a cow called 'Ed'?

PTT
4th Nov 2014, 23:19
He killed people like a socialist, though.That comment is fairly opaque, but he killed socialists as well.

BenThere
4th Nov 2014, 23:28
Mao and Stalin surpassed him in the Socialist death count, but Hitler did what he could, until we stopped him.

PTT
4th Nov 2014, 23:39
Oh, I see :rolleyes:

We're talking about political ideology though, are we not? The number of people killed does not make one left or right wing.

Caboclo
4th Nov 2014, 23:47
My, how the threads are drifting today. :ok: Now all we need is an under-dressed girl with a gun, claiming that Russian whiskey is better than Scotch.

BenThere
4th Nov 2014, 23:53
We're talking about political ideology though

Yes we were. About how Socialists do mass murder. Hitler came in third. Pol Pot, though, deserves mention for the percentage of his countrymen murdered.

We should also have a category for economic devastation, caused by Socialists. Mugabe and Chavez could compete in that one.

Go ahead and make your Capitalist death count. I like a good joke.

Dushan
5th Nov 2014, 00:12
My, how the threads are drifting today. :ok: Now all we need is an under-dressed girl with a gun, claiming that Russian whiskey is better than Scotch.

Here you go...


http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/1964994_758847827459190_638603973_n_zps620e5c96.jpg

pigboat
5th Nov 2014, 00:31
Otto Titzling would be impressed. :ok:

PTT
5th Nov 2014, 06:54
Yes we were. About how Socialists do mass murder.[quote]You do like to conflate issues, don't you? Socialism has nothing to do with mass murder, neither does capitalism. Mass murder of the type you mean is an authoritarian trait.
[QUOTE]We should also have a category for economic devastation, caused by Socialists. Mugabe and Chavez could compete in that one.Capitalism isn't doing that well right now ;)
Go ahead and make your Capitalist death count. I like a good joke.Why would I do that when it's got nothing to do with political ideology? Personally I prefer to stick to relevant points, but you carry on flailing at the strawman of authoritarianism rather than socialism: it's fun to watch.

Trossie
5th Nov 2014, 08:55
Can you eat steaks that come from a cow called 'Ed'?

Solid Rust Twotter
5th Nov 2014, 10:26
Shamelessly lifted from another site:

South African Capitalism:

You inherit two cows from the evil apartheid regime. You don't feed them, while milking them dry. Your followers kill one of them, then lose the meat and wonder where the milk went. The other drops dead of neglect. You blame apartheid.

Fliegenmong
5th Nov 2014, 11:05
Now all we need is an under-dressed girl with a gun, claiming that Russian whiskey is better than Scotch.

NO WAYY!!!! I was just today discussing the merits of conveyer belts with just such a woman!!! :} Who'd have thunk it? :ok:

Caboclo
6th Nov 2014, 02:44
Ok, the chick is cute, but what's with that gun she's holding? The magazine looks about 1" square. What kind of gun has a square magazine? Airsoft?

Solid Rust Twotter
6th Nov 2014, 07:28
Staggered rounds. Makes the mag slightly wider while decreasing its length.

BenThere
6th Nov 2014, 17:11
Capitalism isn't doing that well right now

Really? Take capitalism out of the world's most prosperous economies and see what you have left. China, by the way, is ascendent as it is because it embraced capitalism.

airship
6th Nov 2014, 18:24
China, by the way, is ascendent as it is because it embraced capitalism. Yes, I have seen some similarities between China and ourselves. Both in a death-like embrace of "no holds barred" capitalism. With /$/ trillions invested to "rescue" capitalists by "the people" here in the West most recently. In China, "the people" are better known as the proletariat or just simply peasants. At least the Chinese 1-party capitalist model may be more honest about it all: they don't make much effort of hiding the point that the current prosperity (especially that of the top 1%) is due in large part to inherent corruption of public servants, confiscation of private / public property and assets without proper compensation etc. And if (or when) it all goes wrong, the peasants will pick up the bill, as usual, everywhere...?! :}

con-pilot
6th Nov 2014, 18:42
the peasants will pick up the bill

Oh yes, the peasants were so well off in the former Soviet Union and are so well off in the two countries where there is a total absence of capitalism; Cuba and North Korea.

BenThere
6th Nov 2014, 19:22
So in your view, airship, your everyday Chinese peasant/laborer is worse off today than 20 years ago, before they fell into the embrace of "no holds barred" capitalism"?

Somehow, they have been able to soak up a good chunk of the world's wealth and raised their standard of living exponentially while we enlightened ones priced our labor at a level that couldn't compete with their hunger for a better life.

Tant pis, eh?