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VH-Cheer Up
2nd Nov 2014, 23:44
They do say you should take taxi it when you are planning to drink, but this may have been too literal an interpretation: Plane 'taxied down main street to Newman pub' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-03/man-taxied-plane-down-main-street-to-pub/5861970)

The report says it was a two seater Beechcraft. Model 77 Skipper, I believe. Not a model with which I am familiar. Have to say it looks a lot like a PA38 Tomahawk, one that's had a hatchet job done on it.

stevep64
2nd Nov 2014, 23:45
It's a Beechcraft Skipper, very similar in shape to the Tomahawk.

VH-Cheer Up
2nd Nov 2014, 23:47
Too late I realised how much Google is my friend...

Towering Q
3rd Nov 2014, 00:30
He said the fact that the plane did not have a steering wheel made the situation very dangerous

Sgt Garner is obviously not aware of nose wheel steering and differential braking.

Berealgetreal
3rd Nov 2014, 01:02
This is possibly the most idiotic action I've seen in 20+ years in the industry. He is either mentally impaired or a top shelf d$head.

Squawk7700
3rd Nov 2014, 02:23
Don't pilots still do this (with wings attached) to buy unleaded in Benambra? (Where Ben Buckley resides) ? I certainly did about 10 years ago when I was last there !

KRviator
3rd Nov 2014, 02:29
**** they wouldn't want to fly into Musgrave then! Some turkey put a pub right next to the gable markers. And the fuel bowser!


Oh the humanity!

kellykelpie
3rd Nov 2014, 02:40
Slight thread drift, but this reminds me of the guy that tried to take his kelpie into the Newman Pub by claiming it was his "Guide Dog". When refused entry based on the breed of dog not being a Guide Dog he asked "What did they give me?"

Goat Whisperer
3rd Nov 2014, 02:44
Try the tie-down area at Milparinka, it's the pub car park.

Strainer
3rd Nov 2014, 02:49
This is possibly the most idiotic action I've seen in 20+ years in the industry. He is either mentally impaired or a top shelf d$head

This is possibly the most humurous action I've seen in 20+ years in the industry. He is either mentally impaired or a top shelf good bloke.

I'll give him ten out of ten for original thinking for pulling up outside the pub without the wings attached. Wished I'd thought of it first. The coppers need to take a cold shower and CAsA can climb back under the rock from whence they came.

aussie027
3rd Nov 2014, 04:48
An amusing story.
It appears no harm was done.
However, always remember, no matter what the circumstances-

" The police never think it's as funny as you do" :E:E:E

Lancair70
3rd Nov 2014, 05:22
He said the fact that the plane did not have a steering wheel made the situation very dangerous, and the propeller could also have caused significant damage.

That quote from the local Police is hilarious.

tecman
3rd Nov 2014, 06:12
Much as I loved the Skipper I used to fly years ago, I reckon that our mate suffered only a slight performance drop by removing the optional wings. In the heat up north, he might have rivaled the optioned-up version for climb and groundspeed, too :)

The need to look closely to see if what (any?) rule was broken escapes me. Have we come to that?

Ultralights
3rd Nov 2014, 06:19
Am i the only one slightly annoyed by the fact the police will try their best to find something to charge him with? why cant they have a good laugh at it, tell him not to do it again, and let it be?

i suppose we do live in Australia, where everyone is a criminal, waiting to get caught..

triton140
3rd Nov 2014, 06:29
... and CAsA can climb back under the rock from whence they came.

No fear, yr right will be along any moment to assure us CAsA has no jurisdiction because it didn't have a valid MR, what with the wings being missing and all ...

mnehpets
3rd Nov 2014, 06:32
Am i the only one slightly annoyed by the fact the police will try their best to find something to charge him with? why cant they have a good laugh at it, tell him not to do it again, and let it be?

In Old Australia (tm), I'm sure nearly everyone would have seen the humour in this story.

Not "In The Current Climate" (tm), though. Anything unusual or different is automatically assumed to be subversive or seditious or treasonous.

- S

gerry111
3rd Nov 2014, 06:36
So with both wings missing, what did he use for a fuel tank?

Clare Prop
3rd Nov 2014, 06:40
Exactly, and where is the inevitable Youtube footage?

At least they got the aircraft type right for once, but I'm really beginning to doubt the "taxiing with the propeller turning" bit.

Avgas172
3rd Nov 2014, 08:14
Bloody Nora, the frootloop didn't even put the throttle lock on ....:rolleyes:

Chadzat
3rd Nov 2014, 08:40
Probably used the 'wing shedding' button that journalist came up with a few years back!

Also - cheaper parking there than on the apron maybe? :D

Seagull V
3rd Nov 2014, 08:50
So what did our pilot do for fuel? No wings = no wing tanks or does the Skipper have fuselage fuel. Maybe CASa could ping him for inadequate fuel reserves.

Hasherucf
3rd Nov 2014, 08:56
So what did our pilot do for fuel? No wings = no wing tanks or does the Skipper have fuselage fuel. Maybe CASa could ping him for inadequate fuel reserves.

He has enough for the alternate. The other pub in town :}

Stikybeke
3rd Nov 2014, 09:07
UL

They should have just filed this one under WTF? and been done with it! That's the proper way to do things in Newman!

Stiky
:D

Seagull V
3rd Nov 2014, 09:24
I heard of an old and bold ex Spitfire pilot who landed his Corby homebuilt on the highway outside a roadhouse on the Nullarbor. While he was refuelling (Mogas of course) the Highway Patrol turned up. Being a firm believer in the old adage Attack is the best form of defence, he hastened to request an escort back to the airstrip, "to save him from having to push it all the way back out there again". The officers were happy to oblige this nice old gent with a lights and siren escort to the airfield.

onetrack
3rd Nov 2014, 09:26
So what are the police going to do? ... ground him?? :E

Does this also mean, that when he staggers out of the pub at closing time, he's going to be legless and wingless?? :)

Ixixly
3rd Nov 2014, 10:08
Oh boy, CASA are really going to love this one, when they realise we can all just get around on the ground instead and not be their concern anymore?!

I mean can you just imagine the committee they'll put together for that one, they'll discover that removing the wings from aircraft will prevent CFIT accidents, Engine Failures will become a total non-event, Fuel Starvation and Exhaustion are now things of the past, Accidental entry into IMC will be slashed, No need for those pesky WACs/TACs/ERCs/VNCs etc...etc... just give everyone a trusty old street map.

I mean this is their ultimate goal, Empty Skies are Safe Skies boys and girls, this man isn't a trouble maker, he's an Innovator!!

aileron_69
3rd Nov 2014, 11:08
The Shell Road Maps have better detail on them than the crappy WACs etc anyway.

Ixixly
3rd Nov 2014, 11:42
Man charged after plane parked at WA pub (http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/man-who-taxied-plane-to-pub-faces-charges/story-e6frfku9-1227110893941)

The plot thickens!! Now he does sound like a bit of a tool...not quite so funny anymore.

evilducky
3rd Nov 2014, 11:45
2,500 shares on the WA Police's Facebook post in 2 hours.

Paul O'Rourke
3rd Nov 2014, 11:51
The whole show is worth a look.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IXpzt3B2t7I

gileraguy
3rd Nov 2014, 19:35
Potential recruits to the Filth sit psychometric tests these days and if you possess a sense of humour OR any degree of empathy, you can't get the job!

You have to have no colour vision, because the whole world is black and white when you're "on the job".

Police are managed and measured on criminal convictions, and there's no way to prove a statistical reduction in crime in any area via proactive policing (like they do in some LA counties to great effect...) That's why there's no discretion and no positive role model as in the seventies and eighties. Now it's collar the crim adn prosecute no matter what the case because we don't get costs awarded against us...

Let's face it, if you were bullied at school and you want to get your own back on society, you're motivated to work with those people, doing that job, for a pittance...

South Australia's ICAC finally recommended criminal charges against a Drug squad run amok, aggravated theft and abuse of office for seven officers (so far)

kaz3g
3rd Nov 2014, 20:54
The Shell Road Maps have better detail on them than the crappy WACs etc anyway.

I had a station in the Upper Gascoyne during the late 1970s.

Homestead buzzed by C182 one afternoon so went out to airstrip and brought back 4 visitors, who were with the AIM and doing some pastoral care visits.

Having a cup o tea with them and the Reverend pilot kept addressing me by the wrong name. When I corrected him, he said: "Isn't this Dalgety Downs?"

When I told him DD was about 70 miles to the south, he got out a very worn 1956 Shell roadmap....!

In God we trust?

Kaz

rioncentu
3rd Nov 2014, 21:18
Quote of the year: "Without the wings it's not very stable"???

Berealgetreal
3rd Nov 2014, 21:59
top shelf good bloke hey..fool. Hope they throw the book at him, what a moron.

As far as the police are concerned, just imagine doing their job for a minute.

Jamair
3rd Nov 2014, 22:12
Not at all dangerous, he would have had his anti-collision beacons on and would therefore be safe from everything! Apparently he had a jerrycan in the cabin with a hose leading to the fuel line. He had just bought it (locally) and was taking it home when he dropped into the pub for a 'traveller'. Pretty stupid thing to do - but pretty bloody funny too. Imagine the 'legend' status he will have for the rest of his life!

Mish A
3rd Nov 2014, 22:40
Perhaps some Police Departments require a lack of humour in its recruits but I’ve heard of one Police Department in Australia that states in Operation Orders for major public events that all Police on duty at the stated event, “will maintain good humour.”

Generally in my experience you can rely on country coppers to have a sense of humour, even if it’s a bit warped.

Back to topic. Two problems, the first is that once photos/video hits the national media showing Police at an incident potentially risking public safety they usually can’t just walk away with issuing a verbal caution. We all have line managers and upper management and a whole bunch of snivelling/sneering grunters in-between, the same as the Police. The attending police know that there will be a please explain waiting for them when they get back to the station requiring 5 phone calls to various levels of management and a police report justifying why they were seen laughing (read maintaining good humour) with the offender whilst Mrs Jones (hard working taxpayer) had to drag her 5 kids out of the way of the lethal contraption that was once an aircraft.

This brings me to my second point. My opening line would be something like, “Hey, the village just called up, they’ve lost their idiot, they want you to come back.” I don’t know of any pilots that would be comfortable taxing an aircraft? on a Friday afternoon in a town with a population of over 4,000. Every time I’ve been on an airport apron where there have been unusual pedestrian activity most aircraft, big and small err on the side of caution and usually stop. As pilots we like known, predictable activity. Taxing down a street in town is nearly the opposite of this.

I think acts to endanger life is a little high in the choices of offences, but like most things these days by the time its finalised it will have been plea bargained down to double parking and a fine for failing to maintain vehicle standards.

Pilots are paid by customers to fly planes. Police are paid by tax payers to maintain public safety.

Mish A:ok:

skipper1981
3rd Nov 2014, 23:14
Used to be a common occurence in Birdsville years ago.Before the fence around the airfield was built,pilots often taxied up to the pub.

gassed budgie
4th Nov 2014, 01:01
http://imageshack.com/a/img911/9661/kCGncK.jpg

Quote of the year: "Without the wings it's not very stable"???

He's obviously mistaken the Beech Skipper for a Traumahawk and figured that yes indeed, the aeroplane will be a lot more stable if he in fact leaves the wings off.
Scared himself ****less the last time he used one with the wings on!

Towering Q
4th Nov 2014, 05:55
So with both wings missing, what did he use for a fuel tank?

The answer lies behind the seat.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k176/towering_q/dc57d9859fdec5226856fb19550b5efc_zps0908e8ce.jpg (http://s88.photobucket.com/user/towering_q/media/dc57d9859fdec5226856fb19550b5efc_zps0908e8ce.jpg.html)

Ps. Mish A....great response regarding the public safety issue. I'm sure some of our anti-police colleagues will have difficulty absorbing this.

gerry111
4th Nov 2014, 07:48
Thanks Towering Q.

That explains it all!

I wonder if this idiot was also puffing away on a ciggy? :eek:

Stanwell
4th Nov 2014, 12:19
.
Silly bugger!
He should have just gone through the drive-thru bottleshop, picked up a slab, a couple of mates and gone straight home.


p.s. His parking was perfect, though.

psycho joe
4th Nov 2014, 12:53
Did anyone notice that he did a far better job of parking that aircraft, than the cops did parking next to him? Or for that matter, the illegally parked 4wd across the road on the footpath?

I'm glad that someone was also smart enough to put out a couple of witches hats, just in case no one noticed the yellow aeroplane in the car park. That could have been ugly.

redsnail
4th Nov 2014, 14:36
Cops could simply charge him with driving an unregistered (for roads) vehicle and an uninsured vehicle on the road. It's about the only charge I can see.

Oh and that Skipper? A good do-er upper I reckon. ;)

DeRated
4th Nov 2014, 21:13
Nope, not an aeroplane - that's his Ute!

(Couldn't see his dog in the back anywhere - must be in the bar)

Berealgetreal
5th Nov 2014, 01:02
Anti police until one day they need them...they're usually the ones that bleat loudest.

WAC
5th Nov 2014, 02:44
You can't see anything arising from trundling a vehicle down a public street with a spinning prop on the front red snail? Just unregistered hey....:eek:

Pearly White
5th Nov 2014, 06:19
It's probably more about a vehicle that doesn't conform to the design regs... But honestly, where's the old-fashioned country acceptance of larrikinism that shaped the country?

fencehopper
5th Nov 2014, 08:33
Wonder if CASA will try and nail him? Technically it is a velocipede and not an aircraft.

onetrack
5th Nov 2014, 13:08
Nothing wrong with that aeroplane in the pub carpark, that a proper number plate wouldn't fix!
After all, driving on public roads with an unregistered vehicle, is a pretty serious offence in the West!
A quick trip down to the local authorised vehicle inspection station would see every single listed inspection item, passed with flying colours!

Lighting fitted and working - Tick
Dimensions measured - Tick
Brakes checked for correct operation - Tick
Steering checked for excessive play or looseness - Tick
Seatbelts fitted and operational - Tick

"Uh-Oh! Hang on! We've got a couple of slight problems here ...

No mudguards fitted ...
Tyre tread depth below legal limit ...
No windscreen wipers and washers fitted ..."

"Just run her back to the garage and get those little items attended to, and present it again in the morning, and I'll pass it for registration, straight up! ..."

"Did you want personalised plates, or just the ordinary type??" ....

cockney steve
5th Nov 2014, 13:13
Without wings, it can't fly, therefore it's no longer an aeroplane.....just because it once was,doesn't mean it is now.
Otherwise, why not go to the local bone-orchard, dig up the corpses and charge them with loitering?....yes,patently absurd.
This is/was a (temporary) road vehicle. If Plod wants to kick upa storm,they should look to roadworthiness regulations (construction and use?) and violation of any mandatory insurance requirements.
Personally, I think it's a heavy-handed over-reaction, given the location and populace(or lack thereof).

Fred Gassit
5th Nov 2014, 13:38
Those seats are in excellent condition, very recently recovered by the looks.

mikedreamer787
5th Nov 2014, 14:28
This is possibly the most idiotic action I've seen in 20+ years in the industry. He is either mentally impaired or a top shelf d$head.

Why?

Similar to what skipper1981 said. 40 yonks ago we were all taxying up to the Birdsville pub in our Aztrucks and Twin Apaches as a matter of normal course.


The Shell Road Maps have better detail on them than the crappy WACs etc anyway.

A Shell road map was essential during the same period when navigating around the Top End and Central NT

Stanwell
5th Nov 2014, 14:41
Onetrack, Yer gottit.

Bereal, Spent much time in the real OZ, have you? Getreal!
BTW, don't forget your appointment with the manicurist this afternoon.

yr right
5th Nov 2014, 18:18
Oh yeh have a crack. Blah blah.

I had too on more than one occasion had to place NSW ergo stickers on some aircraft that said. Un registerable vichle. Or may be I was dreaming.

Look at the Newman newspaper it was on the front page.

onetrack
6th Nov 2014, 08:01
Wait up! The Police have missed some particularly important additional charges here!

That vehicle isn't fitted with an IMMOBILISER!! Good God, that's a hanging offence in the West! :eek:
Just about anyone could steal that machine!! - and you all know what vehicle theft costs do to insurance premiums, don't you!! :eek:

I trust this bloke is punished in a manner that makes him an example to others, who would dare to drive around in a vehicle without an immobiliser fitted to it!! :suspect:

nonsense
6th Nov 2014, 08:35
As long as it is incomplete, with no wings and unregistered, I can't see it being anything at all to do with CASA any more than a Catalina fuselage converted into a houseboat (http://www.ruudleeuw.com/search113.htm) is any of their business.

While I'd agree that the obvious first things for the police to charge him with are unregistered and uninsured vehicle, I wonder what they'd come up with next if he had gone to the trouble of getting an unregistered vehicle permit (a limited time permit which allows an unregistered vehicle to be moved about for the purposes of repair, preparation for registration and inspection)? After all, an unregistered permit assumes that the vehicle may be unroadworthy - that's why you're taking it places to get fixed and inspected!

I'm sure they have some catch-all offence which they can apply here, "conduct endangering life" or similar.

gerry111
7th Nov 2014, 09:41
Somebody (elsewhere) speculated that this guy popped into the pub to buy
an energy drink.

Something to do with Red Bull: "Gives you wings."

And the audience groaned in unison...:O

onetrack
7th Nov 2014, 22:41
It just kind of makes you wonder - if this bloke has such a poor understanding and respect for basic road rules and regulations - what his attitude is to air regulations and controls; and even his respect for basic flight and aerodynamic laws!
If he eventually manages to actually get airborne, one wonders how long it will be before he features in an ATSB incident report? There are reports that he doesn't even hold a PPL? :rolleyes:

VH-Cheer Up
8th Nov 2014, 01:51
Why would he need a PPL?

Don't LAMEs taxi RPT aircraft round the airport from maintenance bays to parking bays?

Perhaps he should sue Bechcraft because their product called "Skipper" does not, in fact, skip?

mcgrath50
8th Nov 2014, 01:53
Don't LAMEs taxi RPT aircraft round the airport from maintenance bays to parking bays?

And there is specific points in the legislation allowing for this. :rolleyes:

VH-Cheer Up
8th Nov 2014, 01:57
Roll eyes all you want, but they still don't need an ATPL!

Point is, a PPL would not have permitted him to drive down the Main Street in a wingless Aircraft anyway.

kaz3g
8th Nov 2014, 07:45
Leaves me wondering what place there will be in Australia for flying cars which seem to be on the verge of being launched, so to speak.

I won't mention float planes in case they are made illegal, too! :oh:

Kaz

Andy_RR
8th Nov 2014, 09:33
Point is, a PPL would not have permitted him to drive down the Main Street in a wingless Aircraft anyway.

The laws of physics wouldn't have permitted him to fly down the Main Street in a wingless aircraft either...

Paul O'Rourke
9th Nov 2014, 10:46
CAR's 1988 DEFINITION OF AN AEROPLANE:

aeroplane means a power-driven heavier-than-air aircraft deriving its lift in flight chiefly from aerodynamic reactions on surfaces remaining fixed under given conditions of flight, but does not include a power-assisted sailplane.

Based on this definition, it is not an aeroplane because it is not in flight.

Stanwell
9th Nov 2014, 14:01
Paul,
The definition really should have read "which derives its lift.."

As it was, it was simply an unregistered vehicle.


Having said that, the owner would have already been known as the 'village idiot' in other respects.

Paul O'Rourke
9th Nov 2014, 19:44
I agree with you Stanwell.

caa
16th Nov 2014, 05:58
Who said it is not registered with CASA? it is not an annual fee it needs to be cancelled. For that matter insurance too.

It is very possible it is both (not road registered I assume).

I hope the Authorities take it as a fun thing as possibly intended, but I doubt that. That said I hope it is not CASA register, penalties much higher (taxi approval/running engine x distance from building/ no STC or workpack entry for fuel system mod).

onetrack
17th Nov 2014, 11:21
The point I was trying to make was the bloke has bought an incomplete/not airworthy aircraft and apparently intends to get it airworthy.

If such is the case, and he wants to fly it (or even just taxi it home) I would expect he would have some aeronautical skills and training, along the lines of a PPL at least.

However, I guess he could always bolt it all together with no knowledge, no training, and no skills - and then go for his LAME ticket and his PPL, all at once. :rolleyes:

I await the court appearance with interest, and I would like to see the beaks comments and opinion on the offender.

I strongly suspect this bloke is one of those blokes that we all know, who manage to do everything wrong first, before they find out the right way to go about it.

nonsense
17th Nov 2014, 11:45
I strongly suspect this bloke is one of those blokes that we all know, who manage to do everything wrong first, before they find out the right way to go about it.
In that case, it's probably a good thing that he tried operating an airplane without wings first before installing a pair?

kaz3g
18th Nov 2014, 09:40
Fine $5000

Fine for man who taxied plane down Newman street and stopped at pub - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-18/man-who-taxied-plane-down-main-street-of-newman-fined/5901162)

Kaz

cockney steve
18th Nov 2014, 10:11
Just checked it ,£2780 sterling :eek: That's a lot of money for a "bit of a laugh!" That's about two month's gross wage for a minimum-pay worker in the UK Somewhat excessive for that sort of misdemeanour in an outback town....a weeks wage would have been more appropriate, IMHO.
This has somewhat altered my view of the Aussie "laid-back" culture.

kaz3g
18th Nov 2014, 10:21
Clearly the magistrate was a city man and didn't understand the law was different in remote areas.

Not as harsh as transportation for a loaf of bread, though :uhoh:

Kaz

$5k is probably not much more than a week's wages there, anyway

gerry111
18th Nov 2014, 11:15
Let's hope that he appeals the criminal fine, Kaz?


(And importantly, potentially more cash for his legal counsel.)


Whilst he did a very stupid and potentially dangerous thing, I'm not sure that the punishment really fits the crime. No one was hurt, after all?


And I rather doubt that a "deterrent" punishment was really needed!

onetrack
18th Nov 2014, 13:03
The fine was severe because the offender was charged under the Criminal Code, not the Traffic Act - specifically Chapter XXVII, section 266 - which clearly outlines that anyone in charge of a "dangerous thing" - whether living or inanimate, and whether moving or stationary - and which definition includes a source of ignition or fire - is held totally responsible for any act endangering the health and safety of anyone near the "dangerous thing".

CRIMINAL CODE ACT COMPILATION ACT 1913 - NOTES (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/wa/consol_act/ccaca1913252/notes.html)

If he had been charged under the Traffic Act with a traffic offence, or offences, the penalty/penalties would have been less.
However, he wasn't driving an unroadworthy, road-going vehicle - he was driving an aircraft on a public road.

IMHO, the Police and the Magistrate have viewed his stupid act with the gravity that is applied to serious aviation offences and criminal offences, and have applied the appropriate penalty.

If you view his offence as a trivial one and the penalty as being too severe, then you fail to understand the gravity with which aviation offences are viewed in Australia.

Stanwell
18th Nov 2014, 14:38
onetrack,
Without its wings it can't be defined as an aircraft or aeroplane, I'm given to understand.


As stupid as the act was, to anybody who's spent any time in the 'bush', as cockney steve observed much earlier, the response was
'a heavy-handed over reaction'.

Square Bear
18th Nov 2014, 15:30
As stupid as the act was, to anybody who's spent any time in the 'bush'....

Just because someone lives in the "bush" does not mean you are complete f*ckwit, nor does living in the "bush" justify being one.

I agree though, he didn't get what he deserved........he should have spent a little bit of time playing Momee or Dadee in the Big House!!!

Pappa Smurf
18th Nov 2014, 22:28
A bit of a laugh and sense of humour are fast becoming a thing of the past now days in the bush.It was the last frontier of good times without much to worry about.

Wally Mk2
19th Nov 2014, 00:57
Flaws me that the world has gone mad!
It's more about being seen to be doing something to protect society than it actually is.
Am glad I grew up in a time when fun was a way of life not something we'll only see in some amusement park!:ugh:

Wmk2

onetrack
19th Nov 2014, 01:05
I'm lived in the "bush" aplenty, and I have a fairly lenient view of pranks and antics, and what I regard as a good sense of humour.
However, this event didn't occur in the "bush", it occurred in a sizeable W.A. town, with a population in excess of 4000 people, and it's properly classed as an urban environment.
Try driving your wingless aircraft up the streets of your local town and see how you go.
The reason why we have so much regulation and "nannying" today, is because too many fools think dangerous and illegal stunts that are carried out, putting others at risk, are funny.
I reckon this bloke is the sort of bloke who would reckon it's fun to dive-bomb cows, like the bloke did South of PER many years ago. We all know what happened in that incident.

LewC
19th Nov 2014, 01:13
According to a report on the midday news he was fined $5000 for his little ride,no mention of just exactly what he ended up being charged with.

nonsense
19th Nov 2014, 01:44
Anthony Whiteway, 37, was charged with committing an act likely to endanger the life, health or safety of a person, and faced Newman Magistrates Court on Tuesday. (http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/wa-man-fined-5000-for-parking-plane-outside-pilbara-pub-20141119-11pmsh.html)

junior.VH-LFA
19th Nov 2014, 01:58
"I taxied it perfectly. Look how well I parked it."

He's got them there.

garrya100
19th Nov 2014, 02:00
While not condoning his actions, I'm not sure if the aircraft would be any less stable without wings, though I guess it would depend on the weight distribution, but dangerous because he was 'steering with foot pedals'? I never realised taxing an aircraft in that manner was so dangerous.....guess I'll have to use the tow bar and pull the aircraft to the runway instead next time....

Pinky the pilot
19th Nov 2014, 02:21
An expensive lesson learned!:=

Think it was a bit of a silly thing to do, M'self.

We all know what happened in that incident.

I don't actually. Seen to have a vague recollection of the incident though. Care to tell the story?
PM me if you like.

kaz3g
19th Nov 2014, 07:51
Anthony Whiteway, 37, was charged with committing an act likely to endanger the life, health or safety of a person, and faced Newman Magistrates Court on Tuesday.


The whole point is he was charged with an offence which is essentially one of criminal negligence. I have no doubt whatsoever that he was also charged with a number of offences relating to the use of an unregistered and unroadworthy vehicle on a highway. He wasn't charged with offences under the aviation law as best as I can see and neither should he be.

The question now is what he was convicted of. The fine no doubt reflects a consolidation of several matters.

In the circumstances, I would describe it as a significant penalty but probably within range. Most punters would be more concerned by the conviction than the amount of the fine as a conviction has many serious consequences including difficulties with employment and international travel.

Kaz

Ex FSO GRIFFO
19th Nov 2014, 08:12
Crikey!! Assuming he goes on to train for his Licence (PPL etc)....

Will he be able to qualify for the 'dreaded' 'A S I C '...??

Cheers:p

cockney steve
19th Nov 2014, 08:42
If you view his offence as a trivial one and the penalty as being too severe, then you fail to understand the gravity with which aviation offences are viewed in Australia.

ERRR....Without wings, it does not meet the definition of an "Aircraft"
The fact it used to be an aircraft,is totally irelevant.
It was used on the road, Therefore it was a Road Vehicle (which failed the roadworthiness requirements)

If the Magistrate and Plod concerned, live long enough to see the Terrafugia* in production, they are really going to get scrambled brains.

$5k is probably not much more than a week's wages there, anyway REALLY? Where do I sign up? :p

*other brands are available from dream-vendors worldwide.

ANCPER
19th Nov 2014, 08:58
1track,

What makes you think it wasn't a road vehicle? Those gophers that pensioners ride around in cannot be driven while over .05 or you'll face a drink-driving charge. Mopeds under 50cc don't need a license, but still need to be registered. The police just chose to pursue a higher level charge.

cockney steve,

He was a ******** for what damage the prop could have done, that justified the higher level charge. Newman isn't some one horse town in the middle of nowhere, over 4000 people with main roads,stop signs, cars, peds and all that other suburban crap.

caa
19th Nov 2014, 10:42
onetrack- Newman a rural area! wow man most of the 4,000 pop are local indig people that live far from town and over a massive area. Please don't talk crap.

If the pub had 20 + people in and around it at that time I will say I am wrong. But to get a front row car park in front of a pub says you know jack about Newman life - maybe you landed there once - but hey the cops had no problem getting the park next it + a bit of the next park. Yep Newman is still bush but has only grown in bureaucratic crap not towns people in last 20 years.

onetrack
19th Nov 2014, 11:42
Newman a rural area!Where did I say it was a rural area?? Methinks you need to learn to read and comprehend.

I wrote; However, this event didn't occur in the "bush", it occurred in a sizeable W.A. town, with a population in excess of 4000 people, and it's properly classed as an urban environment.

And, no, I didn't land there once - I was in the gold mining, earthmoving, water conservation and road construction industry for well over 30 years - and I've spent quite a bit of time around Newman, Marble Bar, Pt Hedland, Nullagine, and various places in between - so I think you're the one talking crap.

onetrack
19th Nov 2014, 11:55
Pinky - The event I was referring to happened on 6 Oct 1979, near Serpentine, South of PER. I can't find any on-line records of the crash, I think it's probably buried in the old BASI records. I've sent you a PM.

onetrack
19th Nov 2014, 12:10
Didn't anyone notice just how careful this bloke is?? Like, he pulls into the pub, and orders a lemonade?!

He was obviously thinking well ahead, there's no way he was going to drink and drive!! :p

Parched would-be pilot fined for pub stop (https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/offbeat/a/25551091/pilot-fined-for-parched-pub-stop/)

compressor stall
27th Nov 2014, 01:52
Great footage! And not a fluro or safety bunting in sight. Just common sense.

Hugh Jarse
27th Nov 2014, 03:04
Could be at least 1971 Clinton. Looks like a HQ driving past after the footage of the Islander.

Saw a quick shot of Rolf Harris playing the didge. Must've been before he learned to fiddle.

Andy_RR
27th Nov 2014, 03:20
I'm guessing it was 1975, based on the dancing girls at 5:05

Pinky the pilot
27th Nov 2014, 05:18
And not a fluro or safety bunting in sight. Just common sense.

Yes indeed Stallie. But can you imagine such a thing happening these days?:uhoh:

There would be some shiny bum chair warmer in some 'elfnsafety' department who would probably have a coronary if such a parade was even suggested!:*

Tidbinbilla
27th Nov 2014, 06:24
Those tip-tanks on the C310 are pretty sharp (and dangerous) :D