737 800 PMDG flight sim!

[Driver 170]

I use PFPX its a flight planner, its the best available for flight simmers and it uses upto date airac cycle 1411

I'm planning a flight from EGGP to EPSC

EPSC rwy in use is 13 non ILS , there is only 1 ILS and thats rwy 31.

the wind direction from my online weather source is - 150/6 so the landing has to be rwy 13.

I read my NOTAMS

The ILS at EPSC Rwy 31 is unavailable till 18 Dec 14 according to the following NOTAM from here:

E2461/14 NOTAMN
Q) EPWW/QICXX/I /BO /A /000/999/5335N01454E005
A) EPSC 1409180000 C) 1412182359 EST
E) PROCEDURE EPSC ILS Z OR LOC Z RWY 31 (CAT A/B/C/D) (AD2 EPSC
6-1-1
AND AD2 EPSC 6-1-2) NOT AVAILABLE.
PROCEDURE EPSC ILS Y OR LOC Y RWY 31 (CAT A/B/C/D) (AD2 EPSC 6-1-3
AND AD2 EPSC 6-1-4) NOT AVAILABLE.



What i'm looking for is real experience on how to do this approach? I was thinking using rwy 13 because i would have a TW of only 6kts and thats under the 738 limitations.

Will i do a visual traffic pattern?

My FMS gave me these options for the approach onto rwy 31 maybe i could use one of these

NDB
RNV
VDM

Many thanks, vernon.

[BOAC]

I cannot quickly find an NDB approach for R13 in the AIP but if there is one, either that, RNAV if permitted (by your mum:)) or circle off a 31 approach of whatever is available - or the old fashioned visual?

What is a 'VDM'?

[Jwscud]

It depends. At the moment, the runway is being worked on and it's fairly short so you will need to go straight in. A visual would not be unusual in Poland - many runways have PAPI one end and an ILS the other.

If you wish the FMC to help you, select Runway 13 in the FMC and create an RX point at a suitable distance on final (4 miles may be a good number). You can then use LNAV and VNAV to take you to a point you can land. You are pretty much straight in on 13 coming from the UK. Alternatively, get in sight and do some of that pilot ****

[Driver 170]

BOAC - VDM must be a VOR/DME all of these approaches are stored in my FMS from my latest update airac 1411.

I done a visual onto 13 lets not talk about that :( i was on downwind at 1500 2nm fix around rwy 13 THR. I had an overcast ceiling of 1000 agl. I wasn't sure if i was allowed to continued this approach? What are the ceiling minimums or are they advisory?

Am i right in thinking, you don't need a DA/MDA for a visual traffic approach?

[Driver 170]

Jwscud - you mentioned placing a distance fix or ring of 4nm, is that for the earliest to be configured and stable by and also 500 RA? If your doing a CAT I or low drag procedure

[Duchess_Driver]

Or, (not having studied the plates or aerodrome data), perhaps an ILS to 31 and, if you're not performance limited a 6 kt tailwind on landing?

[Driver 170]

most places will just assign the longest runway with an ILS. It's only a 6 knot tailwind like you said and limits on a 737 ng are 10kts is that correct?

But the NOTAMS mentioned the ILS Y and Z are not available.

[BOAC]

I wasn't sure if i was allowed to continued this approach? What are the ceiling minimums or are they advisory? - you can fly a visual circuit at any height you like, subject to airport restrictions, company restrictions, noise and obstacles. Nothing to stop you flying at 200' (or less) if all else is ok. NB 'Circling' is different and has prescribed minima. Mind you, 1500' with a 1000' cloudbase - hmm! Bold.:)Am i right in thinking, you don't need a DA/MDA for a visual traffic approach? - yes. MSA is a good one to start with as a general rule until you are certain where you are.

Did you find any approaches for 13 in PMDG?

'Stable' in most company's is latest at 500' but Jw's 4nm point is a good place to 'settle down' at, equating to around 1200', and 1000' is a good place to be gear/land flap and power unless you are feeling frisky.:)

[Driver 170]

So how come this 1500 keeps popping up to fly on downwind? Or is that for just training reasons?

So whatever minima is published on the app chart you go by that of course? And if you have a cloudbase lower than your MDA its a no go?

Nothing for rwy 13, just the runway for selection.

[BOAC]

1500' is the 'industry standard' circuit height in my experience - no particular reason, just because it is 'comfortable' I guess.So whatever minima is published on the app chart you go by that of course - not sure which minima you mean? If you are flying into an airport 'visually', apart from any ATC etc limitations you can come in at which ever height you wish. If you are flying an instrument approach for a circle then yes, you use those minima.

R13 at EPSC must either be purely 'circle only' or perhaps ATC radar (if any) might position you for a SRA. It might even have PAR, I cannot find details.

I suggest you set CAVOK and enjoy! Try a run in and break on 13:)

[Jwscud]

No approaches at all to RWY 13 at SZZ - I've just looked it up to remind myself. There's runway works at the moment as well which means the only approaches to RWY 31 are the VOR and NDB approaches.

The RX point is a 737 FMC function which you can select on the Arrivals page - select the Runway (in this Case 13) and at 3R you will see a RWY EXT option - select the distance on the runway centreline you wish (4nm is a company thing for us, but as BOAC says, it's a good place to be fully configured and on centreline), and below where it says FPA insert 3° (default, if the PAPI are different you will probably want to select the PAPI angle). You can then select direct to this point if you are straight in and have LNAV/VNAV fly you in to a point where you are visual and able to land manually.

You cannot accept or ask for a visual unless you have the airfield in sight, or you can request vectors until visual, at which point the controller is responsible for terrain clearance (but of course, as PIC you are always ultimately responsible). You will get an automated '500' callout from the radio altimeter which we use effectively as a minimums callout.

[OhNoCB]

Try an RNAV 31 circle to land 13 if you can't do a visual.

[Driver 170]

1500 STD i see! The minimums iam referring to are the approach chart circling minima. Here is a link -

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2nfrxw7kepj27xo/Photo%2021-10-2014%2012%2045%2023.png?dl=0

Those are circle to land at EGGP, i think i'm getting that mixed up with visual traffic approach BOAC, oops sorry!

Jwscud, thanks for that. Something i didn't know, handy little procedure i now know! Its hard self teaching yourself but i love it can't put the FCTM and FCOM down. I'm currently using Ryanair FCOM and FCTM i got from the internet. There SOP's i'm following date back to 2007 but i have no other references to go by. So this will have to do!


Can i also add on navigraph charts, i see NON STD and STD EO procedures what are the differences? I have searched everywhere.

Many thanks, vernon.

BOAC you ain't ex raf regt by anychance?

[BOAC]

BOAC you ain't ex raf regt by anychance - ouch! You know how to hurt a man................:{navigraph charts, i see NON STD and STD EO procedures what are the differences? - whilst not familiar with 'Navigraph charts' it probably refers to obstacle limited take off paths, where 'Std' would probably be 'straight ahead to 1500' min and clean/MSA' whilst non-STD would involve a turn to avoid cumulo-granitus or other lumps.

I cannot see the whole chart on dbox but in a 737 you would fly whatever sort of approach that is down to 930' QNH minimum (850 AGL) and then 'circle' at an appropriate height, so a 1000' cloudbase would be ok in which case I would probably circle at 900'.

[Driver 170]

Nothing more i can ask...well maybe ;)