Flydubai B737 Type Qualification program

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

So hi
I'm 19year old with 250 hours, live in Belgium.
I'm about to sign contract with CAE training center in Dubai for the B737 type qualification program CAE/Flydubai...

details are here:
https://pilot.cae.com/Programs/FlyDubai.aspx

Any advice on how my future will look is really appreciated..
Thanks

[Eau de Boeing]

Ok I have got the popcorn and sitting back for this one.......:ok:

[Shooting_Star]

Hi, only selected candidates AFTER the type rating have a chance to be hired by FlyDubai. Did you pass your flight training at CAE Brussels?

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

I have been told -also by Flydubai employees- that most of the people who do the program end up with the job...

@Shooting_Star No. I completed integrated flight training and then did an ACPP course (MCC+JOC B737) at CAE Brussels

[LowPassGliderA330]

First, I do not support the programmes with the scheme of buying something with the chance to get a job... maybe... OR - maybe - NOT.
You pay a whole bunch of money for a TR. Soft version of P2F. Yes, of course in the modern world this scheme is considered normal, BUT at least just pay if you sign a contract - before TR.. The you will not only be "considered" (or having "the opportunity to be assessed") after paying 10,15 or 20k.

But next to this, if you're not even qualified according to FlyDubai as they have as the first requirement:
"• Age: Minimum 20 years / Maximum 30 years (before your 30th birthday)".
You just said you´re 19.

Nice Week,
LowPass330

[BritishGuy]

It's $33,000 (USD).... That's a LOT of money just to be considered.

[High Energy]

I heard (so not factual) that there will also be NO flight pay (and/or allowances:sad: ) and the basic pay is about 2/3rd of the other f/o's. Training pay 12K AED, then 17K, 20K until...? Please check this as Dubai is expensive and know what you are getting into before signing!

[Old King Coal]

Caveat emptor!

PrivatePilotDA40NG: What will be the outcome for you if it were to transpire that you do NOT end up with a job a flydubai ?!

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

I assume CAE is relatively legit compared to the other P2F things out there.
I have a contact person who works for CAE in Brussels and in Dubai, and he says there should be no problem at all with succesfully ending up with the F/O position there. He is a personal friend of me and my parents.

Anyway it remains a gamble of 33K USD. As you would guess my parents are funding my training and they are really motivating me to go there and do it...

On the other hand, I would also like to study here with my friends, go to university for a few years, get my instructor rating in the meantime, build hours slowly here and there and look for an opportunity...
The problem here is that I know alot of people who have been looking for a airline job for a looong time, so maybe I won't get this opportunity again.. Thats what I'm worried about that if i decide to stop university, and really want to fly that I'll be pissed that I didn't go to Dubai.

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

I'm trying to decide with the help of my friends and parents but most of them do not understand the risk involved.. Especially ending up with the 737 TR, without job and without the money that could have got me an instructor rating and quite some flight hours..

And the last thing on my mind is, I'm just turning 20, and assuming that in some way I get hired by FDB, I'm gonna be in Dubai, on my own, while all my friends are still studying.. Will I enjoy the life? I love flying but maybe I have to calm down and enjoy life and not be blinded by that
250hours and shiny jet syndrome..

However my mate, who did Flt Training at CAE, got hired by Ryanair, and after 2 weeks in Barca he's moving to Brussels airport!! I mean, I want that too, eventually, whatever it takes.

As you can see I have no idea what to decide. But time ticks and I'm sitting here doing nothing :ugh:

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

@OKC
To answer your question.. I would honestly not be in trouble, financially, as my father understand the risk and thinks the same.

Otherwise, I would ofcourse be ashamed to tell people about the loss of 33K for a useless TR, as this also spoils my chances to get into Ryanair. And I'd love to fly for RYR....
And with the lost money in the bad case scenario( 33Kusd+ costs involved getting there, hotels...) I could go to university and get an FI rating you know...

[pilotchute]

So many people have done this program and virtually nobody has been accepted. Don't waste your 33k on it. Your 19 there is no rush. The aviation industry will probably boom and bust again before your thirtieth birthday!

[JAYTO]

And here lies the reason this industry is going down the toilet. 19 years old and just gotta buy myself a job at any cost.

[NGFellow]

I know of someone who went through the program and was hired by FlyDubai. He had previously done the MCC course on the B737NG and so it was a bit easier for him. The CAE course (Dubai) is an intense program and Fly Dubai will send an examiner to sit in on your check-ride. If you do well in their opinion, they will call you for an office interview and hopefully employment. If you need remedial training of any kind (extra simulator, failed checkride) you will not be considered by FD. CAE does not tell you this because of sales. It's a gamble either way. Some have got in, others have not.

[ironbutt57]

very simple...ask CAE to provide you specific details on how many took the course, and how many were accepted into FlyDubai, and last but not least, how many that made it into Fly Dubai successfully made it online..

[ManaAdaSystem]

If you do well in their opinion, they will call you for an office interview and hopefully employment

Just like that, or will he have to do the full assessment? Or is that done before any training starts?

Forking out 33000 USD if you have no clue if you have what the airlines are looking for is not a good idea. The flying part is just a small piece of that puzzle.

[pfvspnf]

Pls keep us updated if you decide to go through this.

If you don't do well in the procedure trainer you are not going to fly dubai

If you don't do well in the sim you are not going to fly dubai

If you don't pass the evaluation you are not going to fly dubai

If you do get to line training , if you don't pass in the necessary sectors , you are out and there is no coming back

Lots of opportunities to go home even after the money is paid

CAE do not make the hiring decisions , it is usually the operations manger , chief pilot or head of training. Don't be fooled by the brochure, your friend might have good intentions but he is misinforming you in saying that you will have no problems becoming an FO. The training slots are not guarenteed and priority will always be experienced pilots and emirati cadets.

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

Thanks for the feedback.

It is in the contract that when one fails the TR, or requires additional simulator training during the program, theres automatically no more chance to get into FDB.

I also did the MCC+JOC on 737NG, 28hours. And I have also flown with that guy on the sim and he says my flying and SOP and cockpit management and PF/PM work is good.. but still theres absolutely no guarantee, I know

[pfvspnf]

Paul, funny how you just appeared out of no where. Typical

[pilotchute]

Paul,

I find your post very suspicious. Your saying 7 out of 8 people got accepted?

If that was the case prune would be swamped with people talking about it.

I call Bulls$&t on you.

[Square Bear]

Can I ask why anyone would bother with spending money on a B737 Rating when the A320 rating would seem so much more valuable in most parts of the world?

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

In europe, is there so much more value for the A320?

[pfvspnf]

@PPLda40

After flying the airbus for several years now, I know a jet orientation course cannot determine your ability to properly handle a 737.

The type rating is demanding it requires you to know the expanded sops and stay ahead of the aircraft .

Most of all your over all aviation experience and decision making will also be judged, technical knowledge and confidence is the biggest problem I am seeing on the line with ab initio. That being said it's not impossible but this doesn't mean fly dubai is going to accept you

[FlightPilot]

Hmm.. From what I saw at FZ's LinkedIn page, their "cadet" TR course is only welcoming Emirati's for now (locals). However I'm not sure..

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

Would you do it?

[High Energy]

I've been on the jumpseat with several of these new cadets. It's open to all nationalities. These guys were Aussie and British. Unfortunately on short sectors so no time to get the inside info. There are quite a few cadets around these days.

[PrivatePilotDA40NG]

Still unsure about this. Might go for a trip to UAE in November and take a look at the CAE training center and facilities.

[LowPassGliderA330]

Dear DA40,
you gave yourself already the answer, in what you should do. You said you´d like to study and get an FI rating.

DO IT. YOU said you will be more happywith it, and satisfaction is greater than any 737 flight deck on this world. Especially in some more sad places of the world (the nice part for the places where you are anxious to get shot...on approach).
In the aviation world, it is always great to have two possible incomings. What is if you go Loss of License? With an diploma in whatsoever you have better chances after that. And: flying can get boring. Why not flying and running an business? If you study you have more chances in your life.

The aviation world is very unstable. I know guys who worked in the last 15 years for 8 carriers (mostly very recognized). None of them exist today, except one. And this carrier is shortly before being the next victim. They made it out before, but many did not. What is if you get the present of a wonderful child, and your company goes bankrupt? With an business you still have income for your family.

And: in my opinion, these guys who did some instructing before going to an big jet directly from flight school often - not always - handle them better.
Next to this there are companies out there who pay you for doing a 737 TR. Next to this: do you really want to live in Dubai just for a 737 flight deck? Trust me, a uniform is not everything in life. You will wear it for a very long time anyway.

I can highly recommend you, to study and get a FI rating. You´ll also have the possibility to stay near your friends.

Cheers
LowPassGlider

[Jetstreamer1]

Paul, when did you finish your TR? And when did you start your course with FD?

[pilotchute]

Hey Paul the age limit for the program is 30 but your age is displayed as 44?

[airborneksa]

Its a scam don't bother.

[yiwensita]

hi @PrivatePilotDA40NG
I know it has been a while. But I am just wondering did you end up doing this program? and if you did, how was it?

[bob777]

Forget aviation
.fly for fun..get an education. You will regret trust me!!

[Paul Krueger]

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[pilotchute]

Thought I would bump this up. Seems the partnership between FD and CAE is still alive but no comments on it for months. I think a lot of people claiming to know "a mate" that got in were telling fibs or just spreading rumours.

[Aluminium shuffler]

Quote: "I assume CAE is relatively legit compared to the other P2F things out there."

At 19, fresh out of school, it's impossible not to be a little naive, and that is exactly what these parasitic FTOs prey on. There is absolutely nothing legitimate about any form of P2F. Self-sponsored type ratings are bad enough (always run at a profit for the airline, as opposed to bonds which are much fairer), but P2F is a scam that often results in the cadet being fired to make way for another fool who'll pay to work. It is also a good way to waste money and make yourself unemployable - no reasonable airline is interested in a type rating without reasonable experience on the line, and if you do the TR with a rogue outfit, the decent companies won't touch you even for a full course with them at your own cost as they'll see you as tainted.

[junaid.raja98]

Can you please tell me what is the cost of this course with CAE?

[Guinness Girl]

I'm curious as to why you want to work for flydubai