Airline security Argentina

[Ant T]

Quote from Mercopress - Argentina tightens security on all air flights: requested info must be delivered 72 hours before take off-
The Argentine government announced that airlines for both commercial and non commercial flights will be required to deliver further information of its passengers to the National Migrations Office, the AFIP tax bureau, Airport Police and Civil Aviation National Administration (ANAC).
AFIP and Airport Police joint resolution 3667 establishes that in 180 days from now, airlines will have to deliver more information, organized in 31 categories, of each registered passenger.

The document argues that the new legal framework will enable the Argentine government to have “unique, updated real-time information to optimize control and supervision processes, simplify customs, migration and airport security procedures.”

The government said that the information will be used in the fight against “drug trafficking, international terrorism, human trafficking and illegal migration.”

The resolution warns that if airlines fail to deliver the information in time and manner, they will be liable to “judicial or summary actions.”

The information airlines must deliver 72 hours before the trip includes: Airline ID code; Flight number; Flight departure/arrival time and date; Flight Origin and destination; Total number of passengers; ID of everyone on board of the flight; Nationality; Name and Surname according to ID; Date of birth according to ID; passengers file number within the national Passenger Names Registry (PNR); Reservation date; Trip itinerary; Method of payment; Billing address; Billing order; Telephone number; Information on frequent-flyer programs; Travel agency; Travel agent; Information on divided PNR; Information on ticket issuing; Date of ticket issuing; Passenger’s no show record; Passenger’s go show record; Waiting list information; Luggage information; Seat number and Seat information.


Is this type of policy used in any other country? Seems almost impossible for any airline to have this kind of information available 72 hours in advance............

[Consol]

'The document argues that the new legal framework will enable the Argentine government to have “unique, updated real-time information to optimize control and supervision processes, simplify customs, migration and airport security procedures.'

Give it takes six weeks plus to send a postcard from Argentina to anywhere else I somehow doubt it will 'optimize' much.

No more stand bys to B.A. then.

[CAW]

That kind of policy is used in most of the western countries. Specially since 9/11.

I have a sister living in Finland for over three years now and she doesn´t seem to have any kind of trouble flying around. And she does, I tell you.

Most of those requirements that some media corporations are trying to make look like "soviet style", are standar procedure in most of european countries... it´s just that most people don´t notice and don´t want to do it.

Ever wonder why is so easy to credit-card anything? Does anyone think that should any european government want to get any of those 32 items (or any other 100, fot the matter) it would find it difficult?

[Ant T]

CAW - I'm not so surprised at the requirement, just that the "72 hours in advance" seems almost impossible to comply with.

[CAW]

About the "72 hours in advance", I tell you I don`t know where does it come from.

The Minister of Transport expained yesterday on a radio interview at Radio 10 (one of the most listened radio stations here) that the requierement is only for the airlines to fulfill. He also explained that all that information is already available and most of it already online.

But the most interesting thing he said, was that this sort of "manifesto" can be delivered (under special circumstances) with the plane already packed and doors shut.

There are some political parties some media corporations and some bussiness men here that cannot cope with the fact that people do not want them runnig governments (either local or national). These are some of the sources that feed mis-information and try to generate chaos almost everyday. One of them, for example, predicted a civil war for upcoming December, which is why he was called by a Judge to give all the information he might have... which he did not and simply declared that his sayings had been invented, or something like that.

That`s all there is to this.

Cheers!! :ok:

[lilflyboy262...2]

Can you still book a ticket to travel the next day?

[CAW]

As far as I know, you can show up, buy a ticket and board the plane. There are time-limits to do so (something like 2 or 3 hours before departure) but that`s something that every airline "suggests" (for domestc flights, there`s an airlines requirements for all passengers to be at the airport 90 minutes before the schedule time for the plane to take off)

American airlines is the only Airline that publicly announced that would not sell tickets to be flown after 90 days of the actual payment (for example, I would not be able to book a ticket for January 5th, according to this company`s new policy) The reasons behind this decision are unknown.

[LowPassGliderA330]

AAs Decision:
The exchange rate of Dollar to Peso could be part of it why AA has this policy.
I´ve heard some people get here 19 (!) Pesos for 1 Euro...
Next to this I would call the future a bit unsafe, who knows what happens in january with the exchange rate.

Next to this I just find the new rules quite "not so nice". It did work out for ever...
Just like this thing with the medicals. At the Air Force you got them right away, now you wait two weeks...

But I still love this country :cool: ;)

[peekay4]

In the US, the TSA Secure Flight airline passenger data submission deadline is also 72 hours (for tickets purchased at least 72 hours in advance). The airline transmits all the passenger data at once to TSA for batch matching against various databases (no fly list, etc.) "Last minute" ticket purchases are checked separately via a real-time interface.

However, the TSA only requires submission of the passenger's full name, DOB and gender. The Argentinian requirements seem a bit much.

[CAW]

peekay4, you mean that US and ueropean companies do not provide any of these items at all to the proper governments?

Airline ID code;
Flight number;
Flight departure/arrival time and date;
Flight Origin and destination;
Total number of passengers;
ID of everyone on board of the flight;
Nationality;
Name and Surname according to ID;
Date of birth according to ID;
passengers file number within the national Passenger Names Registry (PNR); Reservation date;
Trip itinerary;
Method of payment;
Billing address;
Billing order;
Telephone number;
Information on frequent-flyer programs;
Information on divided PNR;
Information on ticket issuing;
Date of ticket issuing;
Passenger’s no show record;
Passenger’s go show record;
Waiting list information;
Luggage information;
Seat number and Seat information.

Those are 25 of the argentinean "new requirements". According to the other countries laws and procedures do they look soviet-style to anyone?