London based? Bored of Y1?

[LS8C1]

http://www.britishairways.com/careers/vacancy_search_results.shtml?searchbusinessunit=5893

[Baywatcher]

Good news for based guys!

[Threethirty]

Good news for HK based guys!

[Baywatcher]

Not really because of the housing allowance shackles

[Shot Nancy]

Not really because of the housing allowance shackles
Why can't you sell and become unshackled?

[Baywatcher]

That's a point. Great escape to a healthier life with good Union support!

[Yeager]

what do you mean by healthier life... you talking about the clean air and the refreshing environment at Hello Kitty City?? Come on.. :D

[Baywatcher]

The FH air plus rostering!

[Arfur Dent]

Best job for LHR based FO's. No need to relocate your whole life to FH when considering an upgrade either. Bye Bye.............

[raven11]

If you're a Europe based pilot, this is your opportunity.....

Everyone knows that our terms and conditions at Cx, once the very best, have become far from competitive enough to attract and retain experienced crews. Weighed in the balance....the combative employee/management environment, the constant nickel and dime cutting, the erosion of inflation to our pay, the debilitating rostering, the patronizing parent to child tone, all combine to make weighing the decision to throw it all away and leave CX a constant consideration.

Maybe, just maybe, enough pilots will make the choice to jump at this opportunity; maybe management will finally acknowledge what a total mess piloting at CX has become over the past 20 years and finally begin the pilot get-well program that screams for attention.

[jumbobelle]

I do like working for CX despite them but yes very bored of Y1 :zzz: CV out there

[crwkunt roll]

You will be comfortable flying a busy schedule, with BA flights operating 365 days a year
No days off!!!!:}

[SloppyJoe]

Good luck to any CX guys going for this but I expect the competition will be fierce for only a handful of spaces. Many guys also in the desert with time and a rating looking to go back to Europe.

[Threethirty]

There is no competition in BA, if you're up to the mark they invite you in and you sit in the hold pool. They're looking for up to 250 pilots next year alone! This is all on the Terms and Endearment page.

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/473519-british-airways-dep-selection-lowdown-part-2-a-25.html

[SloppyJoe]

Of course there is competition. Those taken from the pool will be the best fit for BA, the others will wait till their time expires and have to go through it all again to get back in the pool. Not suggesting people should not go for it, if I had a 777 rating I would apply. Its just the tone in this thread seems to suggest it is a walk in job if coming from CX.

[White None]

Surely it is, we are the worlds best airline !

[Threethirty]

If you get through the process you're the right fit for BA, I don't think they pick and choose between people in the pool. It's not a selection within a selection.

[quadspeed]

Anyone claiming to have chosen CX over BA never had the choice in the first place.

We're aviation's answer to the French Foreign Legion.

[Loopdeloop]

Not true quadspeed. We have several British pilots who chose CX over BA in the past, one of whom I know left BA after a year or so, came here and took a freighter command.
It is true that the landscape has now changed so we may lose many to this latest BA offering. I have it on good authority that they're recruiting directly onto the long haul fleet because they're losing pilots from the 320 due ****ty rosters so they may also have to improve their package!

[SloppyJoe]

It is a no brainer if you want a UK base. 7-15 years to command at BA, yes maybe a move to short haul for it but at CX its 30 years for a command, by then I expect bases will be distant memories.

[XFR8]

You only need to compare the salary trajectories of CX and BA and project forward the CX management (I use that phrase advisedly) attitude toward benefits like housing etc...

Its a complete and utter no brainer.

[jacobus]

Quadspeed. You are full of ****. I happen to be one of the individuals who knocked back BA to come here. Why ? Because in those days it was considered a highly sought after job. In much the same way as sitting in the front end of a CX jumbo was considered something of an achievement by the travelling public.
Do I regret not joining them now? Every f@cking day. I'd be retired, on a pension I can't even get close to now having had a lifetime of decent routes, decent equipment, and very few industrial woes. However that is a post for another day. And what is done is done.
As a Brit/ European based guy under 40 don't even think twice. Crack on with it.

[Wheelflyer300]

Take it from an old hand who is nearing the end of his career with Cathay, if you have the qualifications required and are young -(I leave the interpretation of young for others to decide) and have a desire to remain in the U.K. or Europe then do not hesitate. Apply.

[sorvad]

Great job in many ways due to bid line......****ty in many ways due to bid line too......at the moment, due to the retirement demographic, you will be an FO and junior for an awful long time...not bad for variety if you get on the triple although you won't see too many weekends off. If you get the mini bus, it doesn't matter too much..although forced draught and a Hitler youth culture has been making it miserable for many who went over from BMI. Either way, your 20 days off a month at Cathay will turn in to about 10 at the most, and a long haul command at the moment is running at over 20 years....oh and no final Salary pension either...the grass isn't always greener

[XFR8]

OK

Lets re-phrase the question.

If you worked as a BA F/O right now, would you leave and join CX?

Didn't think so.
#nobrainer

[oriental flyer]

What is very telling is this , a number of years ago this topic would never have made it on this forum . Today our conditions and job have deteriorated to such an extent that we are all telling the youngsters to go . Not because we want rid of them but because we can see no future for them here Sad but true

[johnpilot]

It depends what fleet you join on.

If you join on long haul the lifestyle is like any other airline which flies long haul. If you join short haul, it's like joining easyJet.

Not sure how many would leave Cathay to join BA. Insignificant numbers I would say.

[Luke SkyToddler]

I don't work for CX or BA - I work for Vietnam Airlines - but in recent weeks I've had PM's from more than one BA short haul captain who's seriously considering coming to work for us

Apparently they are sick of the relentless downward pressure on T&C's, terrible roster and working environment in BA :eek:

We live in strange times indeed ...

[McNugget]

All part of the cycle, strange times indeed...

Where are you, mate?

Agree with Johnpilot. Some will go, and accept short-haul out of desperation to get home. Long Haul I'm sure will be be attractive to more, but the numbers leaving will be tiny. Considering the number of applicants they will get, I suspect only a tiny fraction of qualified Boeing wide-body applicants would even get a shot at an interview.

[Callsign Kilo]

Remember you can apply for a LH position at BA, succeed at assessment and end up in shorthaul. You join an airline, not a fleet. You then become 'frozen' for 5 years and can't 'bid off' the fleet unless the company requires you to. I have two mates in SH who say it's a shambles. IAG are giving it a constant prod due to its poor profit making abilities (the shorthaul part of the business). You have cases of SH skippers bidding for right seat LH positions as the writing appears to be on the wall. Do some serious research on how IAG dismantled Iberia shorthaul, replacing it with the 'slick' Iberia Express/Vueling Lo Co model. That's the fear within BA SH.

The LH recruitment is for the 744. If you end up on it you'll be very junior, subject to blind line for a lengthy period and will remain junior as the fleet is on the out. Time to command is 20 odd years for LH. The 777 is covered by internal bids and is unlikely require any DEP hire. Maybe its not the be all and end all it once was however for those wanting the UK, it's probably the best you'll get. Wouldn't say it's a 'no brainer' but I have no experience of the situation within CX.