Caring airline again!

[Oval3Holer]

Two Cathay passengers, a cop and a pharmacist, covered in vomit and blood, worked on a heart attack victim (another passenger) for two hours, whose heart stopped 38 times, and who lived, only to be "thanked" by Cathay like this:

"Cathay Pacific did not respond to repeated requests for comment from the Star, but the men say the gratitude they felt on the Beijing tarmac — passengers and crew applauded them to their seats — didn’t extend too far. After initially promising a comfy, rewarding upgrade to first class on their trip back home, the airline offered just one premium seat, Goomber said.
So the heroes of flight CX825 flew standby back to Toronto, with the newlywed Li in a seat with a broken TV."

How about we pilots buy the two of them Business Class (First Class not available on that route) round-trip tickets on Air Canada from Toronto to Hong Kong? Only HK$50 per pilot...

Full article:

Heroes in the sky: Toronto pharmacist, cop save heart attack victim on trans-Pacific flight | Toronto Star (http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/09/04/heroes_in_the_sky_toronto_pharmacist_cop_save_heart_attack_v ictim_on_transpacific_flight.html)

[AQIS Boigu]

Our PR department gotta be one of the most useless in the world...this could have been turned into a great story about these three heroes, the airline and our product...but the mill owners always know better...

[SOPS]

What is with Cathay? 30 years ago I really, really, aspired to fly for them. I thought if I could make it there..well I had made it. Now, it just seems to be falling apart.

[SMOC]

It's china there's no word for "free" which extends to Hong Kong.

Secondly CX is waiting to see if they can get away with it, after bad PR they will make a feel good how awesome is CX statement bla bla bla

[cxorcist]

We work for some of the worst people on the planet. They would rather have that passenger die than give something away for free.

[meanagre]

There is a possibility, that for the flight in question, the premium classes were already full. Let's not ruin a good CX bashing story with the truth.

[pasa001]

I'll put in 100Hkd toward their tickets, where do I send the cash?:O

[cxorcist]

Silber,

I think that's the long version of saying that...

CX suffers from poor leadership, from the 9th floor all the way down.

Ours is a management's airline, not a leader's.

[Oval3Holer]

pasa001, stand by...

Maybe one who is more skilled than I can see if we can turn this into a PR win for the pilots in HK. For example, get the SCMP to publish a story that the Cathay pilots, despite having had no cost of living increase in their salaries for many years, and because their employer doesn't value these hero passengers, just like it doesn't value its pilots, are all chipping in to buy two hero passengers tickets!

[Arfur Dent]

'Our PR Department' ??
That's funny!!
Can you imagine the drama and arse-covering trying to release 1 'Premium seat' let alone 2. The nature of the beast!
Unbelievable. :ok:

[CokeZero]

It's the little things that count

[Sqwak7700]

How about we pilots buy the two of them Business Class (First Class not available on that route) round-trip tickets on Air Canada from Toronto to Hong Kong? Only HK$50 per pilot...


How about we stop covering up management's mistakes and instead we help accentuate them so that we can promptly get them removed, therefore winning the war instead of the battle?

Mindset, complete, and change are some of the words that come to mind when I think of my fellow Cathay pilots.

:ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Not Hiding]

I think giving these guys some money or plane tickets would accentuate that WE are the caring ones.

I've set up a fund for them. HK$50 from each Cathay pilot (1,440 views of this thread so far in just a few hours) would buy Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li a round-trip Business Class ticket on Air Canada from Toronto to Hong Kong.

You spend HK$50 on a beer in Wan-Chai. Just think of how much more your HK$50 would do in this case. How about when the press gets hold of it?

http://www.youcaring.com/other/goomber-li-hero-fund/229372

If you really need to find out who I am, you can, and you can donate with confidence.

Not Hiding

[buggaluggs]

Donation complete :ok:

[cxorcist]

Silber,

"Follow these guys into battle"???

Swires don't even know what battle is. These clowns have never fought for more than another dollar or pound against third world labor, suppliers, and consumers.

[raven11]

Donated...

[Mill Worker]

Not Hiding, full marks for this. My only question is what currency is the web site denominated in US or HK?

[Max Reheat]

Donated...

Mill Worker, mine was processed in CAD.

[main_dog]

Donated.

:ok:

[SMOC]

Donated.....

[Mill Worker]

Donated...

[crewsunite]

Why not post it on AOA website?

[Chutams]

Donated $$

[Grinch]

Donated:ok:

[bufe01]

Donated !!!!!!!

[crwkunt roll]

By the time we had an EGM and finished the subsequent survey, the guys would have long since returned to Canadia.......

[Mullah Lite]

Donated. Thanks for setting this up and huge kudos to the guys who saved that man's life.

Considering how they cheaped out on the guys who saved the hull coming in from SUB, is it any surprise that they would do this to two good Samaritans?

[poydras]

Donated!
Done!

[freightdog188]

donated.....

[jetsam]

Donated. Embarrassed by these control freaks we work for.

[mngmt mole]

Donated to the fund.

[Numero Crunchero]

Not hiding - thanks for setting this up. Politics aside I do think it is a great thing to reward those that do the right thing. If what happens here also embarrass'es CX management that is just a happy coincidence!

It's CAD - or looneys if you are a local. Effectively USD!

PS of course I donated - how could I not!!!!!!

[1200firm]

CAD$88 from me. C'mon folks dig deep.....

[Not Hiding]

WOW! 34 donations so far totalling CAD$824 with some donations of CAD$50, CAD$88 and even CAD$100!!

Thanks guys and gals! You are an impressive bunch (albeit a small bunch!)

Hopefully someone has put this on the AOA forum where those who don't visit PPRuNe can see it.

I've already been contacted by the SCMP (that was fast!) I will give more pilots the chance to find out about this and to make their small donations before it "goes public."

Does everyone agree with that?

Not Hiding

[IDS]

Donated. And yes, NH, get the press involved in this. And please, not a CX ticket, as somebody on here suggested...

[bellowtom]

Just spotted this on CX fb in Canada... must be a response to the story?

We would like to express our sincere gratitude to the passengers who rendered assistance to a fellow passenger in need. We have already offered upgrade vouchers that are valid for a year to the two passengers and their travel companions in addition to other reimbursements soon after the event as a token of our gratitude. We are very sorry to have learned about their flight experience on their way home to Toronto. We welcome the passengers to travel with Cathay Pacific again.

[Not Hiding]

The CX Facebook Canada posting was made at 0900 on Friday, September 5. Funny how it doesn't mention the flight number, date, or anything else. Anyone reading this Facebook posting who is not aware of this story would have no clue what that posting means.

Keep 'em coming! (donations, that is)...

Maybe one who is more skilled than I can see if we can turn this into a PR win for the pilots in HK. For example, get the SCMP to publish a story that the Cathay pilots, despite having had no cost of living increase in their salaries for many years, and because their employer doesn't value these hero passengers, just like it doesn't value its pilots, are all chipping in to buy two hero passengers tickets!

Oval, let's keep this positive! It doesn't need to be a win for anyone other than Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li.

:-)

[Moony123]

Not a CX pilot, but.....donated.

[drfaust]

Don't we all love a good old Dave and Goliath? Ship them dollars people, don't be shy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tghFAO3DIFc

[Arfur Dent]

Only problem here is we want $16,000 and have raised about $1000. Be careful we don't end up looking the stupid ones when it's such a great idea. Dig deep or face the consequences because our 'leaders' will be 'watching with interest'. With the agreement of the AOA, some large donation from Their fund would help.

[Not Hiding]

Arfur,

Good point, but it's been only 12 hours and we're 1/16th of the way there!

Unfortunately, I'm guessing that unless there's a provision for it in the AOA charter, donating members' dues to a cause such as this might not be allowed.

The generosity of Cathay pilots (and even some non-Cathay pilots) is amazing.

NH

[Arfur Dent]

Anyway- $50 CAD from me. I hope this works and, as someone earlier said, don't give them a ticket on CX otherwise they win in the end as they are only worried about money.
Cathay pilots ( and others) buying heroic passengers - who saved somebody's life on a Cathay aircraft- a ticket on a RIVAL CARRIER because Cathay is too mean to acknowledge heroism. Let's see what the 'Cathay spokeswoman' has to say about that to the SCMP.
Also - could this not go viral on social media??
Brilliant idea.:ok:

[Not Hiding]

Arfur,

Let's give the pilots some time to show their stuff. It is the middle of the night in Hong Kong :-)

In the meantime, a summary of donations (in Canadian dollars):

$100 - 2
$88 - 1
$50 - 8
$30 - 1
$20 - 8
$10 - 10
$8 - 13

Impressive. Boy, are those guys going to be surprised!

I agree, this COULD go viral, but, at the right time...

Good things come to those who wait, right?

NH

[MACH.88]

Donated as well!!

MACH.88:cool:

[raven11]

Donated...again, for the second time!
Let's hit this one out of the stadium!

Here's the link...

http://www.youcaring.com/other/goomber-li-hero-fund/229372

[Cavallier]

Donated.

Keep up the good work.

The Cav:cool:

[OK4Wire]

Donated.

Great job.

[Not Hiding]

Let's hit this one out of the stadium!

So far
$100 - 3
$88 - 1
$50 - 11
$30 - 3
$25 - 1
$20 - 9
$10 - 13
$8 - 13

54 donations, $1,467! raven11 donated twice!

Batter up!

[NoseGear]

Donated, well done to NH and of course the 2 men who stepped up:ok:

Nosey

[8driver]

Donated.......

[Not Hiding]

clear.right, the idea will be to present the fellas each a check and let each of them decide what to do with the money.

[Not Hiding]

Think. It's been 21 hours and we're at 10.5% of goal. As news of this spreads within the pilot group (and hopefully ONLY within the pilot group) maybe we can achieve our goal by Monday morning, before office hours. Wouldn't that be a great celebration?

It truly is inspiring to see these donations. We have a really great bunch of pilots at Cathay.

[pasa001]

Donated!!!:ok:

[Numero Crunchero]

Not Hiding,
maybe let those two gents choose the flight and carrier they want to use? That would take the politics out of the equation?

[Shep69]

Here's 100 greenbacks from the great state of Texas :ok:

[boxerpilot]

Donated :) if the airline doesn't care at least the pilots do.

[Bob Hawke]

Donated. What a shame for Cathay.

[tdracer]

Not a pilot, and not CX, but donation made :ok: Hero is a much abused term these days, but there is no doubt that these two deserve that title.


I haven't flown Cathay in nearly 20 years (1996) - although I was quite impressed when I did. Business class - transferred from Northwest to Cathay in Hong Kong - I got more attention on Cathay before takeoff than I got on the ~12 hour Northwest flight from Seattle .:sad:


Very sad to see a great airline sink to the point that it's own employees disagree when it gets voted #1. :(

[ColonelAngus]

I've heard there's some excitement, so I've come back from Down South.

What did THIS passenger get as a reward?

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Donated!

[Not Hiding]

I suppose I should have said this before.

If you think this is worthwhile, please tell your fellow pilot friends and acquaintances through email or SMS or whatever other private communication methods you use.

Most pilots don't read PPRuNe or the AOA forum.

NH

[Radiation Kid]

Donated! 2 less 🍻 tonight 👍

[Not Hiding]

Statistics (partial) so far:

73 donors (at least two donated twice) of 2863 Cathay pilots

A couple/few of these donors are actually NOT Cathay pilots, but PPRuNe members who believe in the cause.
They should be recognized when the time comes, if they so desire.

Participation rate: 2.6%

$2,157 of $16,000 goal: 13.5% of goal

Imagine what we could do with a participation rate of just 1 out of 5 pilots?

Satisfaction rate of donors: 100%

Thank you, good people. :D

[Not Hiding]

My heart goes into my throat every time I see a CAD100- donation arrive. Wow. The selflessness of some.

Please, don't think I'm pleading for CAD100- donations. Donate what makes you feel good. I'm just, well, getting all verklempt...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXEgBh0TF0

[sos]

Positive Rate !

Donated :ok:

[bell1st]

Donated. Great initiative NH! Well done!:ok:

[plainpilot11]

Duuuuh-ooooh-n-ate-ed:ok:

How about that press??? You seem like a person of action. Thanks Not Hiding...

[iluvreserve]

Donated. Thanks for kick-starting this NH!

[jacobus]

And happy to do so; come on guys pull the finger out and get up to the projected sum...less than a large night out in the Wanch..well for some, perhaps.. Another inspired effort from our mill owners'. The only question is why are still so surprised by it. ?

[buzz box]

Donated.

How about the Australian Doctor that helped out? Any word on whether he was looked after? If he received the same treatment from CX then he should be included in this..

[CokeZero]

Donated - pity our caring company doesn't do what it was supposed to do.

Once again the guys and gals at the coal face watch as this company goes down the gurgled.

It's the little things that count ..... Hey Floor 9 Managers... get your heads out of your ass and pull finger!!!

[sos]

Buy the Doc a pair of RM's and a pie and sauce!

He'll be happy with that :8

[Silent Running]

Donated... To those who deserve our respect, I salute you.

[Not Hiding]

Over 1/4 of the way there! $4,140!!

$100 - 15
$88 - 2
$70 - 1
$60 - 1
$50 - 26
$40 - 2
$30 - 4
$25 - 4
$20 - 19
$10 - 25
$8 - 13

112 donations. Very impressive. :D

[Flying Clog]

100 Canucky dollars donated.

It's a drop in the ocean - my employer pays me well compared to the poor buggers who are currently joining our ranks. But the slippery slope is well and truly upon us, that much is apparent.

Boy, I hate Cathay Pathetic. Worst decision I ever made in my life.

Too late for me though.

:ugh:

P.S. I do sincerely hope they choose to fly Air Canada.

[Shoebox]

Donated using some of my HKPA :ok:

[Fac6]

Donated :ok:

[ColonelAngus]

Sort of like this, Curtain rod?

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[Barnyarddog]

Donated! Well done guys and girls.

[acroguy]

Well done both of you...

[crwkunt roll]

That's a hell of an obscure Google search Colonel!! Donated........

[Captain Blicero]

Donated. Hope the goal is reached.

[Not Hiding]

Donation update:

Almost 1/3 of the way there! $5,055!

$200 - 1
$100 - 18
$88 - 2
$70 - 1
$60 - 1
$50 - 31
$40 - 3
$30 - 5
$25 - 5
$20 - 21
$10 - 28
$8 - 13

128 donations. Keep 'em comin' :ok:

[Bo Wing]

Donated! :ok:

I wish these gents all the very best in life, their selfless act, needs and should be, justly acknowledged! :D

[Not Hiding]

The generosity of those who are donating is... jeez, I don't even know the word to describe how I feel. Or, maybe I do. Verklempt.

PDXEgBh0TF0

[buggaluggs]

200 beans! .... Well done that man! ... Respect!:ok:

[FreemaninHK]

Just dropped $50 CAD.

I would like to say, this IS political as much as it is respect to the gentleman's efforts onboard. I do not want my money going into Swires pockets. This is the first of MANY actions we can publicly take that shows us in better light than those who 'manage' us with fear.

[Not Hiding]

200 beans IS something!!!!

Donation update:

38% of the way there! $6,095!

$500 - 1
$200 - 1
$100 - 20
$88 - 2
$70 - 1
$60 - 1
$50 - 36
$40 - 3
$30 - 5
$25 - 5
$20 - 23
$10 - 28
$8 - 13

139 donations, 4.8% of the Cathay pilots, though some of these donors are not Cathay pilots. Come on Cathay pilots, this is OUR fundraiser! It's not the amount, it's the feeling you'll get regardless of the amount.

Wouldn't you like this goal to be reached by 0800 Monday morning, when they all get back into the office from their golfing weekend?

How would THAT be for the morning coffee?

Please, not everyone reads PPRuNe or other forums. Email your friends. CALL your colleagues. TEXT your colleagues! 4.8% of the Cathay pilots? We can do better than that!

Remember, this amount was based on just CAD8- per pilot? Do you know a pilot who wouldn't donate CAD8- to a hero?

Keep 'em comin' :ok:

[boxjockey]

Donated. $500 CAD. Now someone do even more. This is a great cause and a golden opportunity.

box

[Not Hiding]

It's true. We now have two $500 (that's 500 CANADIAN dollar) donors.

Says something, doesn't it?

:D := :ugh: :ok:

[India Four Two]

100 CAD

Great idea Not Hiding.

Well done to Li and Goomber :ok:

CX PR department continually scrapes the bottom of the barrel to achieve new lows. :mad:

[Not Hiding]

OK, 17 hours before the 9th floor takes the elevator.

Let's do this BEFORE it goes viral. Such generous donations from those who have donated. However, there are about 2,700 Cathay Pacific pilots who have yet to show their stuff.

Guys, now that some have REALLY stepped up to the plate, it's even LESS than CAD8- per pilot! It's less than CAD4- per pilot to make the goal.

You DON'T want the viral general public to do it, do you?

Tell your colleagues. Four bucks. I know it's not lack of interest, it's not knowing about this fundraiser in the first place. Call your friends on vacation in Tonga. Do you think they're reading PPRuNe? Call your colleagues who DON'T read PPRunE. 17 hours...

[Altyre]

Donated and feeling really good about it!

[scavengepump]

Donated.....

[Despot75]

Donated.....

[Not Hiding]

Site was down briefly... it's back now... :-)

[Oval3Holer]

Who wants to guess on the press release from CX?

"It is clear by the very limited response to this fundraising campaign that the majority of Cathay Pacific's pilots felt that our treatment of Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li was reasonable and balanced, given the situation."

:=

[Not Hiding]

If any of you have any problems and are unsure if your donation was successful:

If your donation is processed successfully, you’ll be taken to a confirmation page that says 'Donation Successful!' The page includes the confirmation number of your transaction. You’ll also receive a receipt for the donation via email to use for your records. If you do not see either one of these,your donation probably did not go through.

If any of you end up making a double donation, the extra one will be happily refunded should you so desire.

NH

[frampton]

Donated; by non-CX well wisher

[LongTimeInCX]

Donated.

Great idea NH.

As many crew do not frequent Pprune, or despite being AOA members read the AOA forums where your initiative is also posted, do you think you should put a notice on the board in the mail-box room?

[iflyplanes]

Donated 50CAD

[SloppyJoe]

I think as previously stated this need to be given to the guys to do with as they wish although it is the same value as a nice ticket and should be mentioned as such. If it were me receiving it, although I would be hugely grateful of such a kind gesture, I would find it hard whilst sitting in 1st to not ponder what I wish I could have done with the money instead.

[Night Watch]

Donated and thanks for organizing.

[Soul planet]

True, let them choose which airline to fly with. I reckon after this incident they will choose another airline with better service and no drama. :D

[Not Hiding]

If any of you are skeptical of the Toronto Star story, or doubt that he situation on board has been dramatic, see here:

Did you hear the one about the policeman, the doctor and the pharmacist at 30?000 feet? -- Monks et al. 2014 -- BMJ Case Reports (http://casereports.bmj.com/content/2014/bcr-2014-206485.abstract)

and here:

TPSNews.ca | Stories | Training Helps Save Life In-Flight (http://tpsnews.ca/stories/2014/09/training-helps-save-life-flight/)

[SkewedFlaps]

what a great cause!


happy to be part of it - maybe we are a good bunch after all haha


thanks for setting it up NH

[mngmt mole]

Feeling a bit sheepish about my original $10 donation. Just made another more substantial one. Thanks for others who led the way in generosity. Feel better that I climbed to a higher step!! Way to go everyone. Please, call/text/email everyone you know and get them to donate. Hold them accountable to get back to you with a confirmation.

[Not Hiding]

Donation update (may be outdated as the donations keep coming):

58% of the way there! $9,305!

$500 - 2
$200 - 1
$100 - 32
$88 - 2
$70 - 1
$60 - 1
$50 - 56
$42 - 1
$40 - 4
$30 - 9
$25 - 8
$20 - 31
$10 - 34
$8 - 16
$5 - 2
$4 - 1

202 donations, 7% of the Cathay pilots, though some of these donors are not Cathay pilots.

[The Management]

We are working on a PR spin as we speak.

We will be contacting the Passengers involved and sending two Business Class confirmed tickets to each passenger and their Spouse for travel from Toronto to Hong Kong and return.

The raised money will be a waste, as the passengers will have free tickets sent to them. You can save your money and donate it towards a fund for the individuals that we will be terminating in the near future.

We are in the process of compiling a list of names. Some of those names will be collected from the fund supporters and the list of those doing contract compliance.

If the CX pilots believe they will smear the Great Name of The CP Group and worlds more caring airline, you are mistaken. We will spend more money than your measly donation fund to portray our name as the world’s most caring airline.

To use this as bad public relations against us is futile, we are more superior to the likes of some under educated pilots on spinning the PR program. You are out of your league.

We will have the report finished by Monday morning.

You are wasting your money.

To My Bonus
The Management.

[MrsDoubtfire]

I´m a litte bit astonished and curious: Why didn´t you give an immediate upgrade to the both helpful passangers for their trip home, as you have announced on facebook?
Source: https://www.facebook.com/cathaypacif...52717174899297 (https://www.facebook.com/cathaypacificCA/posts/10152717174899297)

My personal opinion: I appreciate the private initiated and human action of the pilots, and Idon´t think, it will be wasted money for the both guys. I am sorry to hear, that the supporter of a human action are threatened now.

Hopefully you remember the positive PR effect of the story with the pilot of a delayed US aircraft: He bought pizza for all of his hungry passengers (and payed with his private credit card). This story run all over the world, and the airline including their pilots got a lot of sympathy...
Pilot buys pizza for delayed passengers - CNN.com
(http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/08/travel/delayed-passengers-pizza/)

[Arfur Dent]

Our friend Mr Management is an idiot imposter as we all know but he has a point here and speaks with the mind of the Management (so far) but is not one of them - perhaps he's trying to help.
Be careful that we don't get outmanoeuvred by a 'last minute change of strategy' that CX could pull. They have an enormous war chest and will throw money at it that we can't afford. 'Better late than never' - you could say that they have already 'rewarded' these individuals with their pathetic gesture but try explaining that to the SCMP. We have to beat them to it.
Also, our 'strategy' is completely public on this medium. Refer to my previous post #49.
Not long to go now until the 9th Floor assembles but the PR position of :-
'Cathay Pacific forced into a belated gesture by pilot's fund for heroic passengers' seems to sound OK.
If only 'they' had done the decent thing in the first place. What a ridiculous way to 'manage' anything.:mad:
Interesting quote tonight on a UK TV programme related to the Indian Mutiny of 1857 -
"if you continually ride roughshod over everything that people hold dear, one day they will fight back". Say no more...........

[LongTimeInCX]

We all know 'the mangment's' postings are at best entertainment value at best, but mainly file 13 material only. So moving forward....

Having just read NH's link (3 posts ago) to a Toronto Police site about the incident, it appears an Aussie Dr David Monks, was also involved to quite some degree. As it appears said good Dr also accompanied the patient to a Beijing hospital. Do any of those in the know have any info on whether CX offered or gave any significant gesture of thanks to him, as I doubt a Beijing hospital was his ultimate destination. If there was a decent gesture of material thanks made by CX, I can see how disparate the company ticket offer was to Goomber & Li.

If CX did not, any idea if there's a plan to include him in in the "Thanks from the CX pilots(& contributing public) fund" once it's exceeded its target?

[MrsDoubtfire]

This is, what CX wrote on FB.
We have already offered upgrade vouchers that are valid for a year to the two passengers and their travel companions in addition to other reimbursements soon after the event as a token of our gratitude.

https://www.facebook.com/cathaypacificCA?fref=nf

Upgrade for TWO passengers and their companions. No word about the physician. :confused:

[chinabus]

Donated! These guys worked incredibly hard!:ok:

[BubbaJ]

Donated
Great job Guys and Girls!!

[mngmt mole]

Just a suggestion. Why not donate the cash directly to the recipients. They may need that more than two tickets. That way it can help their families as well. Only a suggestion. Thoughts?

[Hedo Rick]

Donated ..... great job.

Is some one - or a "representative" going to be in Toronto to film and present these guys with the money? In a world where everyone has a video smartphone, I'd love to see the expression on these guys faces.

[LongTimeInCX]

MngmtMole asked: Why not donate the cash directly to the recipients.

I think that is the intention my friend.

From the Goomber-Li Hero Fund | Other - YouCaring.com (http://www.youcaring.com/other/goomber-li-hero-fund/229372) website:
The current plan is to have a Toronto-based Cathay Pacific Airways Captain present Mr. Li and Mr. Goomber each a check for half the donated amount to do with what they please.

Still a great initiative by NH, that in a really nice way, a group of decent principled people, are able to express their own thanks, in a way the recipients will at least get both a feeling of deep appreciation and a few bucks to boot.

[Wannabe Flyer]

Has anyone started a fund to pay CX for the following

1) Cost of diversion
2) Cost of aircraft out of service
3) Puke and Blood clean up cost
4) Misc hardship costs

Would be nice if an equal opportunity expense system is in place

[Night Watch]

Wannabe Flyer

If you were actually a pilot and not a "Wannabe" you would know what a stupid statement that is.

[Wannabe Flyer]

Night Watch

I would have expected you to understand the Sarcasm in the post and the underlying Humour that was implied!

I cannot imagine any sane minded individual not to appreciate the effort being made to reward the people involved. Naturally it implies CX is not sane minded!!

Now open a beer kick back your feet and chill! :cool:

[ron burgandy]

Wannabe, yes, Cathay Pacific has established that fund, it's called the ticket price. It has factored into it the kind of costs you ask about. The actuaries get out their calculators (or abacus in CX's case) and work out the risk of these things happening and put a price on it. It's called the cost of doing business, something CX has trouble coming to terms with most of the time.

[Wannabe Flyer]

Ron: That explains the term Surcharge on my Ticket! :ugh:

[Not Hiding]

Just saw this, an interview with Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li this morning

Ramon Goomber & Ming Li | Watch News Videos Online (http://globalnews.ca/video/1549895/ramon-goomber-ming-li)

[Not Hiding]

Although I am not the one to be able to say "thank you," since none of you have done anything for me, and since neither Mr. Goomber nor Mr. Li have asked me to thank you, I can say that I am impressed and moved by the generosity and selflessness of the donors. You showed you care, just like Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li showed they cared when they helped save a stranger's life.

New donations are coming in, but not at a rate fast enough to warrant keeping the fundraiser open. Those who wished to donate, have. Those who haven't, if they hear of this fundraiser after the website has closed, will certainly be able to add their donations to the funds already collected.

Stay tuned...

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[Hugo Peroni the IV]

what about a quick email from the AOA to 2000 members to get them in the loop? If AOAC does the same, then you get max exposure and keep donations open until the end of the week.

[Not Hiding]

The thread on the AOA site has 2300 views, which seems to be an indication that it is well publicized among the AOA members who participate in the forum.

If you can do something, Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li would appreciate it!

[Hugo Peroni the IV]

NH,

Don't be fooled by 2300 views; there are some sad muppets who live on those forums. 2300 views could be 1 person 2300 times or 2300 people once….or anything in between.

considered to be well publicized by whom? You or the AOA? if the latter, thats probably just 'cant be F***Ed to type something up because its a holiday tomorrow".

[UltraLongHaul]

Money down :ok:
Keep it going.

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HPIV, I agree with your statement that it could be 2300 views by one person 2300 times or 2300 people once. I am presuming the entire GC knows about this fundraiser and would have sent an email to the members if it felt it was the appropriate thing to do. As to why that email has not been sent, your guess is as good as mine. Same with AOAC.

[boxerpilot]

Too busy framing answers for tomorrow's focus meeting perhaps

[Arfur Dent]

Not Hiding
You are a credit to your fellow man, yourself, your family and this profession. You have captured our imagination and, somehow, brought this group of disparate reprobates together in a way rarely seen on a PPrune thread.
Well done, Sir! You can donate the cash to these two fine people and 'cock a snook' at our mean-spirited employers.
Brilliant few days to behold!:ok:

[junior_man]

saw the link on the AOA pages and donated

[harrryw]

To TheManagement

Thanks for your rant. This shows the lack of proffessionalism that the crew must put up with.

While some notice could be sent advising the crew that it was better to keep complaints in house this oversteps the mark.

One SLF that will not fly with you again.

[Captain Dart]

The Management is actually being ironic; it is not a 'rant', he is taking the p155. Many of his posts are thought-provoking and entertaining. He is not really 'management'.

If a poster on an anonymous bulletin board makes you not want to fly with CX, well, that's your decision as a consumer.

[harrryw]

OK I have been fooled. congratulations TheManagement.

Trouble is is could have been true here in Asia.
It does seem though that they can mess their PR enough themselves without needing any help.

[broadband circuit]

harrryw,

please believe me when I say that what makes postings by "The Management" so entertaining is how realistic they are.

Pretty much anything he writes here, we all look at & think "Yep, that's about right....." We have to deal with them every day. :ugh:

[Liam Gallagher]

It is amazingly depressing to witness the number of people who, probably consider themselves intelligent, but prove otherwise by responding to him/her.

"The Management" should be considered an artist. Like a painter, he puts something on the "pprune wall" not for you to add to, or colour in, or crayon over, but to stand back and study and to learn from. He is trying to educate, to challenge your thinking. He uses parody, irony, pathos and outright humour.

Like all artists, some of his pieces are a masterpiece and others, well, you might like to hang in the downstairs loo.

He most certainly is not management. His parody of management is frighteningly close to the real diet of cr@p dished up to us on a weekly basis.

I welcome his/her return. I find the timing of his/her return poignant and look forward to his/her next post. I also look forward to the "pprune intelligensia" responding to him and proving the very point he is trying to make.

I sense in the coming months his posts and the missives from the real management will converge. That will be a measure of his/her undoubted talent.

[MrsDoubtfire]

It is amazingly depressing to witness the number of people who, probably consider themselves intelligent, but prove otherwise by responding to him/her.
Ok, I´m obviously not intelligent.
I also got fooled by The Management. :ugh:

BUT: You have to read more posts of him to clearly recognize, that he´s sarcastic/ironic. Only two lines could in his post showed the irony. But late in the day...The content of his post could a realistic threat for the founder of the caring campaign and his supporters. Therefore it´s easy to get fooled. Maybe, The Management ist a company lawyer?

[SMOC]

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/2014/09/10/online_fundraiser_hits_nearly_13000_for_toronto_plane_heroes .html

[TommyTang]

http://media3.giphy.com/media/rl0FOxdz7CcxO/200_s.gif

[Soul planet]

I nearly sh*t my pants laughing at this

The flight crew never provided any mask or gloves during the rescue attempt. He said the flight attendant also activated the defibrillator and nearly shocked him as he worked on the heart attack victim. :}


Great job training XD
And seriously, hats off to cx pilots for organising and donating! :D

[joblow]

Well it finally exploded in Cathay's face today . A lengthy article about the event and Cathay's pathetic response featured in today's SCMP alongside the amazing generosity of the crew
Well done guys

[SMOC]

In typical fashion did CX remove/not load South China's on the aircraft today? :=

[Will IB Fayed]

Cathay pilots reward 'heroes' who saved heart attack passenger | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1589630/life-saving-heroes-caught-first-class-turbulence)

Wow, I really thought CX wouldn't let us win the PR here, and would gift them a freebie ticket before it made the news, but there it is:

"But while their heroism was noted, the response by Cathay Pacific was apparently less than praiseworthy."

Well Done. Donated.

[Shutterbug]

@Soul Planet

Dude... seriously.... what's your problem? You're rooting for people to fail?
SMFH.

As to the SCMP.... here are the facts. Straight from the good doctor's mouth:

My name is David Monks and I was the doctor involved with the resuscitation and co-author of the British Medical Journal case report referenced in this article. I was extremely impressed with Cathay Pacific's handling of this situation. I gave Phila around 45 minutes of my time yesterday during which I explained, at length, how fortunate this patient was to have flown with CX on this occasion. I am disappointed to read that he only chose to include two brief and unrelated quotes.

The cabin staff are to be commended for recognising that the patient's worrying symptoms required urgent medical attention. Their excellent training and supply of emergency equipment is testament to how important they regard passenger safety. I was treated with the utmost respect and appreciation in the following days and weeks, receiving e-mails of gratitude from the pilot and other CX representatives. Their de-briefing procedures (in which I was involved), performed by an eminent professor in cardiology, were also exemplary.

Ramon and Ming, who were also involved with the resuscitation, were extremely frustrated with how they were misrepresented by the Toronto Star's articles. They also commended Cathay Pacific in the accounts that they provided. it is obvious that the reporter to whom they spoke had his own personal and sensationalist agenda.

Well done, Cathay Pacific. Keep up the good work!

Good job to all involved. This action has been the highlight of this mostly useless forum to-date. Good job gals and gents.

[ColonelAngus]

Donated.

How about the Australian Doctor that helped out? Any word on whether he was looked after? If he received the same treatment from CX then he should be included in this..

The doctor was taken out to dinner by CX in Beijing and flown to HKG and on to SYD Business Class.

[ColonelAngus]

We all know 'the mangment's' postings are at best entertainment value at best, but mainly file 13 material only. So moving forward....

Having just read NH's link (3 posts ago) to a Toronto Police site about the incident, it appears an Aussie Dr David Monks, was also involved to quite some degree. As it appears said good Dr also accompanied the patient to a Beijing hospital. Do any of those in the know have any info on whether CX offered or gave any significant gesture of thanks to him, as I doubt a Beijing hospital was his ultimate destination. If there was a decent gesture of material thanks made by CX, I can see how disparate the company ticket offer was to Goomber & Li.

If CX did not, any idea if there's a plan to include him in in the "Thanks from the CX pilots(& contributing public) fund" once it's exceeded its target?

See previous reply

[asianeagle]

Well done chaps, again shooting from the hips without asking any questions.
The good DR has put it all into perspective.

Now we just look like a right bunch of desperate plonkers. :ugh::ugh:

[Mill Worker]

It's up to 13.5 out of 16. A good effort. Hopefully the goal will be met.

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Final tally:

85% of goal! $13,516!

$500 - 3
$200 - 1
$150 - 1
$100 - 42
$88 - 2
$70 - 1
$60 - 1
$50 - 84
$45 - 1
$42 - 1
$40 - 10
$30 - 12
$25 - 20
$20 - 45
$19 - 1
$15 - 3
$10 - 50
$8 - 16
$7 - 1
$5 - 2
$4 - 1

298 donations, 285 donors, 10% of the Cathay pilots, though some of these donors are not Cathay pilots.

[Not Hiding]

Freddy Fudpucker, check your PM.

[Not Hiding]

For those of you wondering what's going on, the logistics of determining how and when to present the guys with their donations are being determined.

Stay tuned here and to Goomber-Li Hero Fund | Other - YouCaring (http://www.youcaring.com/other/goomber-li-hero-fund/229372) or just Google goomber li

NH

[Not Hiding]

Dear Donors,

Please check the "Gallery" tab of the fundraiser site for a thank-you video from Mr. Goomber and Mr. Li