Skymark A380

[wetwing]

So Airbus have there first white tail A380 and the lost five more in the total order for six from Skymark Airlines of Japan.Only a few week's back they said it was due to cabin fit issues. Order back log getting smaller and difficult to sell.Already talking about a380 neo Bad decision Airbus to build this one

[T21]

Can you send again in English please?

[74world]

Yes, in English would be appreciated.... :O

[Old Fella]

I guess WetWing is trying to tell us that Skymark of Japan have refused to take delivery of the first of six A380's on order and have cancelled the remaining five. He/she says the backlog of aircraft on order is shrinking, as a consequence of cancelled orders I presume, and that Airbus is having difficulty in increasing the orders. Seems WetWing believes Airbus got it wrong in building this aircraft. At least that is the way a retired F/E reads his post.

[short bus]

Airbus Said to Drop Skymark?s A380 Order on Cash Shortage - Bloomberg (http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-28/airbus-said-to-drop-order-for-six-a380-jets-with-japan-s-skymark.html)

Airbus Group (AIR) NV has agreed to drop an order for six A380 superjumbos from Japan’s Skymark Airlines Inc. (9204), said people familiar with the decision, in a blow to the program that’s struggled to keep customers....

Losing the Skymark order extends a drought for the A380, which has failed to attract a new airline customer in two years and came away with no new business this month at the Farnborough Air Show, typically a forum for deals. Airbus’s most loyal buyer for the aircraft is Emirates, with 50 in service and a total of 140 on order, almost half the backlog.

[pattern_is_full]

I dunno - I understood it.

Skymark cancelled six A380 orders:

Airbus Said to Drop Skymark?s A380 Order on Cash Shortage - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-28/airbus-said-to-drop-order-for-six-a380-jets-with-japan-s-skymark.html)

One of which is already mostly built, thus now a "white tail" (finished aircraft with no corporate logo to paint on the tail, and looking for a buyer). And, per the article, already with custom fittings to Skymark's specs, and thus not necessarily ideal for other customers without a refit.

About the only thing unclear is whether wetwing thinks:

- Building the A380 was a bad decision in the first place, or
- talking about, or planning, a Neo upgrade, when they losing some orders for the original is a bad decision
- or both

[mikedreamer787]

I'll have a crack at it...

So Airbus have their first white tail A380, and then lost five more in the total order of six for Skymark Airlines of Japan. Only a few week's back they said it was due to cabin fit issues. The order back log is getting smaller and difficult to sell. Airbus are already talking about an A380 neo. Bad decision by Airbus to build this on.

[crewmeal]

I'm sure EK will take up the slack so to speak, after all they still have 40 more on order.

This is the second carrier blaming faults on cabin defects. QR's CEO was quite vocal recently on delivery problems slagging off Airbus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek5lV6bwQH0

I wonder what penalty Skymark will pay with the first one so near to completion?

[DaveReidUK]

I'm not sure what this thread is doing in Rumours & News, but hey ho ...

A good course of action would be to offer an engine upgrade to current and future operators, preferably at low cost.Offering a re-engine programme to operators of existing aircraft isn't going to happen, any more than it is for current A320/A330 operators when those respective Neos appear.

[Rick777]

The problem is what are they going to use for an engine.

[RAD_ALT_ALIVE]

Oh, Mikedreamer787, you came within a hair's breadth of getting 100% - only to lose it on the last word of your prose...:p:ok:

[Meet the Fokker]

Poor old Nishikubo-san must have been smoking the Wacky Backy when he ordered the 4 dugongs back in 2011. He then had another puff and ordered 2 more.

The only rationale must have been that Japan Airlines was going to be buried and never resurrected.

Given the trouble they have had with the JCAB getting the 330 into the air, I guess he had no choice if he wants the airline to survive in the new cut-throat low-price (no such thing as low cost) environment in Japan.

I heard that he was told by the JCAB that they would have to route test the dugong for 6 months on domestic routes as well as do their base training in the aircraft, in Japan.

Not sure how much this cancellation will cost them but it will be cheaper than the alternative.

[Andy_S]

I read elsewhere that Emirates wants a re-engined A380, and as the biggest customer they will get their way.

Not if the development costs outweigh the likely revenue. Airbus haven't even broken even on the A380 yet.

Suggest this whole thread gets moved to Spotters Corner. In fact make that Airliners.net.........

[Ethiopia]

Airbus terminates purchase order with Skymark Airlines for A380s (http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/asia/item/1282-airbus-terminates-purchase-order-with-skymark-airlines-for-a380s)

[Fratemate]

Shinichi Nishikubo, President of Skymark Airlines, said: “We are confident that with these cost-efficient, reliable A330-300s in our fleet, we will grow our business and win market share by attracting passengers who demand only the highest levels of comfort. Together with our A380s to come, we confirm Skymark’s intention to remain at the forefront of our market, having one of Japan’s youngest, most modern fuel-efficient fleets.”

Guess Nishikubo-san won't be 'confirming' that any more then. Something about counting chickens and eggs hatching........:rolleyes:

[Kerosene Kraut]

How much would a late order cancellation fee like Skymark's A380 be?

[1a sound asleep]

At a rough guess you could imagine a potential loss by Airbus in the order of $500,000,000 Expect a lawsuit soon

[kotakota]

BBC News - Airbus cancels contract with Japan's Skymark Airlines (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28543108)

[captjns]

One of which is already mostly built, thus now a "white tail" (finished aircraft with no corporate logo to paint on the tail, and looking for a buyer).

They'll sell it on EBay.:ok: