New FAA ATP Requirements - Combination Type Rating / FAA ATP Checkride

[Desert Budgie]

Dear Colleagues,

I think this may be the correct forum to post this since I am sure the new FAA ATP rules may affect our operators.

When receiving new aircraft under management that will be registered under an authority requiring the pilots to gain a validation, for example VP-C or M, we often have our pilots sit the FAA ATP Written and conduct an combination Type Rating / FAA ATP checkride. Maintaining the pilot's FAA qualification from then on is far easier and cheaper with regards training, medical, licensing, choice of training centers etc than dealing with the bureaucracy of or local licensing authority! Our pilots like this option too since our local license holds less weight around the world than the FAA license.

On researching the new FAA ATP requirements, there is a requirement for pilots to complete 30 hours of groundschool from an approved training center and be issued with a completion certificate. Also, pilots must complete at least 6 hours of flight training in a level C simulator on an aircraft weighing at least 40,000 Lbs.

1. Will pilots holding a foreign ATPL certificate with well in excess of the minimum FAA ATP hour requirements and a Part 25 jet type rating on their license be subject to these same training requirements if they want to conduct an FAA ATP skills test along with their type rating?

2. Does prior experience on aircraft over 40,000 Lbs count towards that requirement? Or will a pilot have to receive training in a simulator on an aircraft over 40,000 Lbs SPECIFICALLY for the purpose of the FAA ATP? This would apply to a pilot with prior experience on say a Legacy 600 but is now on a lighter aircraft like a Hawker 900.

3. Is there an FAA written paper for pilots with prior experience and a foreign ATPL?

4. If these requirements do stand for all, do any of the Flight Safety and CAE TRTOs around the world have an ATP program set up in preparation for August 1st? Or will pilots have to attend groundschool at the likes of All ATP?

I'm curious to see if anyone has had a look at this yet. A few of our pilots are having a bit of a panic since they failed to get the old written test out of the way and now may be subject to these new rules!

I wonder if Mr Gleim will go out of business?.....

Appreciate any responses

DB :ok:

[aviafly]

Hello,
I am in a different position, as ATPL theory student, (with a previous FAA CPLIRME done in USA), and it looks that from now I have to do the theory: 30 hours course and sim above 40000 pounds... IN USA ONLY.
Somebody has any informations about programs already settled by school?
Safe Flights.

[galaxy flyer]

Here's the FAR reference:

Ref FAR 65.155(d) "An applicant who successfully completes the knowledge test for an airline transport pilot certificate prior to August 1, 2014, must successfully complete the practical test within 24 months from the month in which the knowledge test was successfully completed. An applicant who passes the knowledge test prior to August 1, 2014, but fails to successfully complete the practical test within 24 months must complete the airline transport pilot certification training program specified in §61.156 and retake the knowledge test prior to applying for the practical test."

Yes, it looks like the FAA, as usual, is making rules for the airlines without a thought to the others.

GF

[Desert Budgie]

Thanks GF

OK, it looks like the FAA will allow a deviation from the weight provided the objectives of the training can be met in an alternative device. So an ATPL skills test on a Business Jet under 40,000LBS looks possible provided the required flight training hours and ATPL manoeuvres are covered.

However it looks like the 30 hours of ground school will stick. Although a pain, I guess it's not 'unfair'. Since an EASA reciprocal conversion will require lengthy home study, at least 2x of 2 weeks 'refresher' training plus 14 exams! I just hope that the CAE's and Flight Safety's of the world have the syllabi ready.

[vodka_gorbachev]

I have exactly the same questions as the topic starter and already submitted request to FlightSafety, looks like they not aware deeply about the situation and options as well.

[silverknapper]

Most FSIs were fully aware. Judging by the waiting list fr the ATP written before tomorrow a lot of people will sadly be disappointed.

[pilotchute]

It seems only Embry Riddle is ready to do the new ATP course. I tried contacting them today about it but didn't get far. The impression I got is that it's for their own students at this point in time.