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Willard Whyte
6th Jul 2014, 17:24
Video: The future of warfare: self-healing aircraft and 'transformer' plane that can split into three jets mid-air - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10949823/The-future-of-warfare-self-healing-aircraft-and-transformer-plane-that-can-split-into-three-jets-mid-air.html)

Interesting stuff. Bound to be pricey though...

Two's in
6th Jul 2014, 17:55
Fantastic stuff. How many years before BAE come up with the science to deliver something on budget, on time and within the spec? There's a miracle right there.

melmothtw
6th Jul 2014, 18:08
When the customer chooses a spec and sticks to it.

Courtney Mil
6th Jul 2014, 20:12
Given it takes us decades to design and build "just a jet", I look forward to this technology in future lives!

Mogwi
6th Jul 2014, 20:19
Might be useful for the Reds!

Off to fly the Hornet (DH not F)

bridgets boy
6th Jul 2014, 22:17
I'd be happy if ALL contractors could push out stuff that complied with Def Stan 00-970. No, really comply, even if it was to the predecessor (Av P 970?). Make a good aircraft that crews would be happy to fly, engineers could be proud to have worked on and everyone who actually knew anything about aircraft in general and that one in particular would look at and say "Now THERE's an aircraft they got right..." I challenge anybody to name one. Great to fly/operate but a sod to maintain, or vice versa, doesn't count.

salad-dodger
6th Jul 2014, 22:22
I'd be happy if ALL contractors could push out stuff that complied with Def Stan 00-970.

Really? You want something that complies with Def Stan 00-970? It's out of date and maintained by people who wouldn't recognise airworthiness if it walked up and slapped them in the face!

Good luck :eek:

S-D

bridgets boy
6th Jul 2014, 22:25
You have obviously read it in great depth and made judgement on the compliance of specific platforms against the criteria.

salad-dodger
6th Jul 2014, 22:41
Correct!

S-D

Ogre
7th Jul 2014, 10:29
Of course when the customer learns to write requirements that are a) achievable, b)clear and c)correct they whole process would be off to a better start. The current "that wasn't what I meant..." means yet another change which of course costs money!

ShotOne
7th Jul 2014, 10:35
When the "customer" has a genuine choice in an open market, prices, funny old thing, stay lower and stuff tends to arrive on time more often

tucumseh
7th Jul 2014, 12:05
.... Def Stan 00-970? It's out of date and maintained by people who wouldn't recognise airworthiness if it walked up and slapped them in the face!

Never a truer word.


00-970 used to mandated in every aircraft related contract. In 1997 I had my first experience of a new boss who'd been on the half day seminar that told him it WASN'T mandated and he, a physiologist (someone who makes lemonade), could make up or waive design and airworthiness requirements as he saw fit. RIP those who died as a result. After that, who would want to work in the section charged with maintaining it? A crap job.


00-970 is the REQUIREMENTS, but MoD has a -05 series of PROCEDURAL Def Stans telling you how to implement the regs. They too used to be mandated in every aircraft / equipment contract. The most important one, 05-125/2, has been cancelled without replacement. (It covers the procedures that result in a valid Safety Case. Only an idiot doesn't retain and secretly use the two books, especially Book 2). The other main one, 05-123, is fine as far as it goes, but like most such publications assumes a degree of training and proven competence in the target audience. However, this hasn't been policy since 1990. Today, so few have any practical experience, whereas 30 years ago a third year apprentice was expected to understand every word and could relate it to work he'd performed.


Remember "ARM"? Availability, Reliability and Maintainability. We no longer have named individuals responsible for this.


All of which makes bridgets boy's challenge an interesting one! I'd narrow it down to UK-built but with no French Connection (which excludes Lynx, Puma - the French simply don't "do" configuration control) and introduced and matured before the above policy changed aircraft design, ARM and safety for ever. Sea King anyone? She doesn't necessarily comply with 00-970, but in important areas Westland's own procedures are more robust (with the company content to ignore idiotic instructions from MoD!) and, ultimately, their Safety Case procedures document has stood the test of time. (The MAA would do well to get a copy and read it).